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LD Mikko Kokkonen - Jukurit, Liiga (2019, 84th, TOR)

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Hockeyisl1fe said:
He is around 6' with average skating, will be picked in 2-4 rounds.
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Honestly too early to say that yet. But I do agree that at the moment it seems that he has been overhyped. Definitely hard to see real 1st overall potential at the moment at least.
 
Ippenator said:
Honestly too early to say that yet. But I do agree that at the moment it seems that he has been overhyped. Definitely hard to see real 1st overall potential at the moment at least.
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I'm quite confident now how a prospect can fell due to being undersized and an average skater (Tolvanen). I do think he still is a good prospect despite not being a 1st rounder.
 
FinnHockeyFan said:
One year is long time in the development of a young player.
I don't know any obstacles or reasons why Kokkonen cannot have same development curve what Heiskanen had least year.

Give a time for 16 yrs old kid god sake.
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He is a good prospect. He just isn't first round talent like some said months ago. He had early development.
 
Hockeyisl1fe said:
I'm quite confident now how a prospect can fell due to being undersized and an average skater (Tolvanen). I do think he still is a good prospect despite not being a 1st rounder.
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So you are one of those who keep up the completely false myth that Tolvanen is small and an average skater? In case you haven’t noticed, hockey has been going for quite a while already towards the skating oriented era where many teams don’t even care that much about size anymore. And 5”10-6”0 players are in fact perfectly good size.

And come on, don’t keep up that completely stupid and false myth of Tolvanen being an average skater. He has been blowing past his opponents in every game and against every team in the KHL. He has no real weaknesses in his skating. His top speed is already good and the same goes with his acceleration and agility. He is definitely a clearly way above average skater.

If you are those who seriously don’t understand how to judge player’s skating by the good old eye test, then go to check on the scouting reports on Tolvanen, and you will realize that the pro’s see this exactly in the different way that you claim...
 
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Ippenator said:
So you are one of those who keep up the completely false myth that Tolvanen is small and an average skater? In case you haven’t noticed, hockey has been going for quite a while already towards the skating oriented era where many teams don’t even care that much about size anymore. And 5”10-6”0 players are in fact perfectly good size.

And come on, don’t keep up that completely stupid and false myth of Tolvanen being an average skater. He has been blowing past his opponents in every game and against every team in the KHL. He has no real weaknesses in his skating. His top speed is already good and the same goes with his acceleration and agility. He is definitely a clearly way above average skater.

If you are those who seriously don’t understand how to judge player’s skating by the good old eye test, then go to check on the scouting reports on Tolvanen, and you will realize that the pro’s see this exactly in the different way that you claim...
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This isn't Tolvanen's thread, but his skating was indeed labelled as a weakness before the draft by professionals.
 
Hockeyisl1fe said:
This isn't Tolvanen's thread, but his skating was indeed labelled as a weakness before the draft by professionals.
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Do yourself a favor and google Tolvanen’s scouting reports and go through them all, and you should realize that the clear majority of the pro’s were in fact praising his skating. Only a few people have been very strongly trying to keep alive the myth of his skating being some kind of weakness. Those people for sure haven’t understood what they have been talking about.

Seems also that you yourself haven’t bothered to watch Tolvanen play, as you really seriously try to keep this completely false myth alive.

Oh, and by the way, it was you who brought up Tolvanen first in Kokkonen’s thread. Don’t bring up false claims about any other players if you don’t want any comments on them in a certain player’s thread. You reap what you sow, you know...
 
Ippenator said:
Do yourself a favor and google Tolvanen’s scouting reports and go through them all, and you should realize that the clear majority of the pro’s were in fact praising his skating. Only a few people have been very strongly trying to keep alive the myth of his skating being some kind of weakness. Those people for sure haven’t understood what they have been talking about.

Seems also that you yourself haven’t bothered to watch Tolvanen play, as you really seriously try to keep this completely false myth alive.

Oh, and by the way, it was you who brought up Tolvanen first in Kokkonen’s thread. Don’t bring up false claims about any other players if you don’t want any comments on them in a certain player’s thread. You reap what you sow, you know...
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You mean those scouting reports that praise every player without mentioning any of their weaknesses? By reading those you would believe every player has a franchise potential. Jatkoaika's columnist and analyst Miika Arponen for example seemed to agree with my thoughts on Tolvanen's skating. He has developped quite nicely and his skating has become stronger now. Before he was drafted I watched Tolvanen play in both u18 and u20 + some USHL playoff games. I think I have a better knowledge of him than someone who claimed (quite ironically) that Saku Koivu wasn't that good of a skater.
 
Hockeyisl1fe said:
You mean those scouting reports that praise every player without mentioning any of their weaknesses? By reading those you would believe every player has a franchise potential. Jatkoaika's columnist and analyst Miika Arponen for example seemed to agree with my thoughts on Tolvanen's skating. He has developed quite nicely and his skating has become stronger now. Before he was drafted I watched Tolvanen play in both u18 and u20 + some USHL playoff games. I think I have a better knowledge of him than someone who claimed (quite ironically) that Saku Koivu wasn't that good of a skater.
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Maybe you try harder to understand the posts that you read? I mean I have never ever claimed that S.Koivu was not a great skater. I just pointed out that his top speed was pretty average (which it definitely was), but that his first steps and especially agility was excellent when he was at his best. He did not have really the top speed to get past other players in the full speed skating. But he was excellent in the cycle and in tight space because of his agility and acceleration.

It has been really quite widely acknowledged and accepted that the main reason why Tolvanen fell so much in the draft was the failiar of him not getting to the university that he had applied for. It is in fact a very logical reason for the very sudden and long fall.

I will bring the focus back to Kokkonen by mentioning that I do agree that he seems to have pretty average skating, which could most probably be an important factor in him dropping even to the second round in the draft. But it is still very well possible that he does still develop well after all and still becomes a first rounder. At this age you can’t really know that well for sure yet.
 
Looks like he has made his way back to Liiga. On paper he was on Jukurit's 1st pairing, and he played 18:50. Does anyone know what led to this, is he just filling in for an injury?
 
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Looks like he has made his way back to Liiga. On paper he was on Jukurit's 1st pairing, and he played 18:50. Does anyone know what led to this, is he just filling in for an injury?
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Jukurit sold Auvinen to Sweden so they only have 6 d-man on the roster. With Piipponen injured they don't have anybody else. Thought I think Kokkonen should get regular minutes in the last 15 games since Jukurit can't make the playoffs anymore.
 
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I liked him in U-18 5 nations. He is not the most flashiest guy out there but he seems to be quite flawless in both ends. In general it seems like he just tries to keep it simple which is necessary not a bad thing.

There is still some time before 2019 draft but I don't see him having the offence to become a top-20 pick but late 1st round shouldn't be impossible. I could see him becoming a solid stay-at-home D if everything goes smoothly in the future.
 
Having a solid U18s so far. Probably not going to be the offensive dynamo he was touted to be but his overall game looks really solid for an underager.
 
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FinPanda said:
I still don't think he is a 1st round pick, but damn he was solid. I expect him to be a quite high pick.
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He was very good and solid definitely. Not showing too much offensively, but I could see him really going still as a late 1st rounder if he can continue developing nicely. He could very well get some more offensive role in Liiga next season. If that happens he can definitely still be a 1st rounder.
 
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I don't think this guy made any mistakes in the tournament. Quite solid all around player although definately not the flashiest one.
 
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He had become so overrated that now he's underrated. I still think he has a decent chance to be a late first with a good season.

He's not the biggest or the best skater, but he's not terrible in either area. He has above average offensive ability and about average defensive ability. Decent hockey IQ also.

Is there something that distinguishes Rasmus Sandin from the past draft from Kokkonen? Sandin went 29th. Kokkonen could go in that range this year.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
He had become so overrated that now he's underrated. I still think he has a decent chance to be a late first with a good season.

He's not the biggest or the best skater, but he's not terrible in either area. He has above average offensive ability and about average defensive ability. Decent hockey IQ also.

Is there something that distinguishes Rasmus Sandin from the past draft from Kokkonen? Sandin went 29th. Kokkonen could go in that range this year.
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I haven't watched enough of Kokkonen to comment on his IQ, but Sandin is definitely significantly above decent hockey IQ. He's very good at controlling the puck and making long stretch passes. He has his flaws, which is why he was available at 29. But, Sandin with the exact same skills and only average Hockey IQ is picked in the 3rd or 4th round.
 
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