LD Mikhail Sergachev (2016, 9th, MTL; traded to TBL)
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It's great and all that he's looking good, but the real question is what's his pout game like after a loss?
irunthepeg
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It was a july scrimmage, calm down you're starting to sound like Sabres fans after we drafted Grigorenko
damn, I forgot about him. I remember hoping the Habs would take him over Galchenyuk. Glad I'm not a pro scout.Glad to see that Sergachev looks to be a good one though.
Galy would of been sent back if it wasn't for the half season lockout. I've seen a decent amount of Sergachev. He has the physical tools and the high ceiling, but he needs another year at a minimum. To make it as a first year defender you need a combo of physical readiness and the highest level of hockey IQ. Doughty and Ekblad had this, Seth Jones to a lesser extent. Ask yourself this, do you want Bogosian or Pietrangelo. The best way for him to improve his reads and angles will be getting a bunch of reps on it at the jr level, not getting burned repeatedly at the NHL level. The only true number 1 defenders to spend there first post draft year in the NHL are Doughty, Hedman and Burns (he got an AHL year due to the lockout and took awhile to get to being a legit #1). Guys like Subban, Weber, Karlsson, Josi, Keith, Pietrangelo, Suter, and OEL.Guys guys guys, let me have this. I'm still trying to move on from the PK trade.
No, he's not better than Hanifin. But, if there's one dmen from this draft class that can make the jump, it's Sergachev no doubt.
If he's ready, he's ready. If not, he will continue his development in the OHL.
I hate the management of this organization. MT over any players..that's disgusting.
I don't think Galchenyuk was nowhere near Misha's physical tools when he got drafted. This kid is the Russian bear...built like a tank. That what separates him from Chucky during their camp if IIRC.
But we'll see at the real training camp. I think he can surprise and elevate his level of competitiveness a bit more.
The list of current guys who played their D+1 season in the NHL isn't that great. Off the top of my head I got Doughty, Ekblad, L. Schenn, Bogosian, S. Jones, Bouwmeester, Fowler, Hedman, Hanifin, Klesla, and Larsson. Some are too young to tell (Jones, Hanifin, and Ekblad) but seem to be trending right, some while being solid 2/3 and even #1 for short periods are guys that never lived up to expectations (Bouwmeester and possibly Larsson), some are outright disappointments (Bogosian, Schenn and Klesla). Fowler is a weird case where he is living up to draft position (even exceeding) but still isn't a true #1. Not saying that sending Sergachev back would guarantee it, but I do believe it would increase the chances of him becoming a franchise defender. Be happy with your pick, but also be patient.
Jabba11
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I agree with most of what you've said. I know that defence is the most difficult position to play in the NHL and to transition to it. It takes time.
However, sometimes, learning and developing in the NHL is more profitable to some players. We have wasted so many picks by waiting for them: Louis Leblanc is the prime example. Got drafted and never really had any impact. Waited for him to play for Havard and the Junior. It's still up to Sergachev. If he displays maturity and can handle himself with the big guys at camp, I see no reason why he wouldn't be starting in October with the Habs jersey on.
I'm not rushing him. That's the organization's role to do that and make the decisions. We as fans can hope to see this kid come in and play real soon. I don't think it would hurt him at all to be sent back. But on the other hand, I don't think the NHL will hurt him either.
Every player has their own path and timeline to the big league. Some can't even come close. But, I don't believe the other defs you've mentioned had the same physique and tools as Sergachev. PK was nowhere near Sergachev after his draft year. Karlsson neither. Bogosian and Schenn of even Pietrangelo scored as much as Sergachev back in the OHL. With his offensive talent, if he plays with the good players on the PP, he'll be able to translate his offensive numbers to the NHL. A perennial 40-45 pts 2-way defenseman à la Carlson. Even in his first year. The hard thing though is how he can handle himself in the defensive zone. That's where he needs to prove himself.
Habs are built to contend right now (You can't make the Subban/Weber deal or Radulov signing without that mindset), so I don't see that being a good spot for a young D. Sergachev is dynamic, but can have problems making the right reads on a consistent basis at the OHL level. He could absolutely benefit from another year in Windsor. I can't see him being anything more than a very sheltered 6th D-man next year and a PP specialist. But considering he tends to be the trigger man his time on the PP would be limited due to Weber. You have a potential franchise defender, but he needs to round out his game at a lower level. None of the D-men in this draft are NHL ready, maybe they make a massive jump over the summer, but I expect to see all of Chychrun, Juolevi and Sergachev in the OHL western conference next season.
I'd add, Bogosian outscored Sergachev in total points and ppg while leading his team in points which is tough for a defender. Pietrangelo scored at a similar rate, Schenn was a WHL guy who could never put up points.
When the Habs drafted Sergachyev I was disappointed, I was looking for a forward and at 9 wanted Logan Brown once Keller was gone. But after watching Sergachyev play and skate around our other prospects like little boys, shot is lethal. Defends great and breaks up plays like a VET, I'm baffled. I am fully aware that it's dev camp but his impressions were better than Galchenyuk and Subban in their early days.
He is looking like an absolute force and a dominate player. I'm still hesitant wherever I think he should remain this year, I'm always opposed to rushing prospects.
He is looking like an absolute force and a dominate player. I'm still hesitant wherever I think he should remain this year, I'm always opposed to rushing prospects.
uh no not exactly...i'm no fan or bergevin but habs have enough talent coming through pipeline to be good for a while..
gallgaher 24
shaw 24
beaulieu 23
sergachev 18
mcCaron 21
galchenyuk 22
not including pacioretty 27, price 28, petry 28, etc...
weber is 30 and radulov 30
the window is now is a bit of a myth...habs have some solid talent coming up too
The window for the Habs in basically as long as Price remains the best (or top 3) goalie in the world and healthy. I think he could single handedly will them to a Cup final if he can stay healthy. Outside of having Price I don't think the Habs are contenders at all.
With that being said I do think Serge was the best Dman in the draft. I saw plenty of him last season and let me tell you guys he is going to be a beast on the back end for you in a few years when he hits his stride.
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I completely agree. I know he's got some crazy tools and all, but he has to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that he's a legit NHLer to crack the roster this year. Not just potential, but actually that good. I'm not sure he can do it this year. His upside is a #1 d-man though, so Habs fans should be excited about him. He honestly looks a little like Subban out there. He was my favourite d-man of the draft.
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It's been proven time and time again you don't need an elite goalie to win...a hot streak from an average goaltender is more than enough.
Habs will be fine even if Price somehow falls from top 3 to top 10.
An elite goalie can lift a team there though, because without an elite goalie the Habs roster is not a contending roster. Not yet anyways.
We're all waiting for them to prove us differently. They can't make the playoffs without Price and they can't advance to the next round without Price.
i don't disagree, i just believe there is a foundation of good players in their prime and young ones coming up..
last year habs had an atrocious amount of injuries
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a terrible coach
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a GM who made an awful decision to go with a goalie who had only played 56 AHL games TOTAL in his career. insanity
Every team have young ones coming up. You have to look where the team stand in front of the other 29 teams to see if those guys coming up will help the team to climb or will make it fall. Right now I don't think Habs young guns are close to being top 15 in the league wich makes them candidate to fell.
Samesies. I don't want us to piss around with the 9 game try out. Either he's good enough or he just isn't, and any hockey management team should be able to tell that by the time the last cuts are announced. My hunch is that he'll make the decision difficult, but ultimately will be sent down before the season starts, just like Gallagher. Sergachev has been physically impressive throughout the development camp, but there's a big difference between impressing at a development camp and a main camp. IMO, he would be just as well served in the OHL as Provorov was in the WHL, or Werenski was in the NCAA.
Why not 1st? I think he'll be better than Juolevi personally. I think Sergachev 's the guy to beat on defence for this draft.
Its very debatable. I'd go Juolevi just because of his very high-iq, and some of his weaknesses will be corrected by added strength. I'd add that his offensive numbers were a bit depressed due to the fact Marner ran the Knights powerplay so players with better shots were rotated into the 1 defenceman role on that line.
Either way I'm really excited to see what Sergachev, Juolevi and Chychrun do next year in the OHL. London vs Windsor could once again be a great rivalry this year.
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I'm with 93Leafs, I hope Habs don't rush him. I think he really needs another year to refine and improve his defensive game while gaining even more confidence with his offensive game.
That's just me, should be interesting to follow him and Juolevi (the 2/3 d which I'm most interested in).
That's just me, should be interesting to follow him and Juolevi (the 2/3 d which I'm most interested in).
