LD Luke Hughes (2021, 4th, NJD)

[Rydev]

You don't see how improving helps players make the NHL? Interesting take.

I dont think you have any legitimate argument on what Luke Hughes would be improving on next season

Defending some NCAA players who wont make the big league? Yeah thats worth a lot

Hes not coming up because NJ sucks and hed get caved in. No other reason

 

[Boonk]

I dont think you have any legitimate argument on what Luke Hughes would be improving on next season

Defending some NCAA players who wont make the big league? Yeah thats worth a lot

Hes not coming up because NJ sucks and hed get caved in. No other reason

Someone clearly doesn't know how development works lol

 

[AuraSphere]

I dont think you have any legitimate argument on what Luke Hughes would be improving on next season

Defending some NCAA players who wont make the big league? Yeah thats worth a lot

Hes not coming up because NJ sucks and hed get caved in. No other reason

bro everyone is against you just stop lol

 

[Rydev]

Someone clearly doesn't know how development works lol

Feel free to name me the parts of Lukes game thatll improve

Whats hilarious is this commonly kept idea that automatic 'development' means multiple NCAA years.

Yeah, Im SO sure Cale Makar, Adam Fox, and Quinn Hughes would be so so bad if they never went back. Just awful players whod have never put it all together lmfao

 

[Rydev]

bro everyone is against you just stop lol

Yeah great, and men were hung for suggesting the Earth revolved around the sun

 

[Boonk]

Feel free to name me the parts of Lukes game thatll improve

Whats hilarious is this commonly kept idea that automatic 'development' means multiple NCAA years.

Yeah, Im SO sure Cale Makar, Adam Fox, and Quinn Hughes would be so so bad if they never went back. Just awful players whod have never put it all together lmfao

All of those players went back to specifically improve on whatever aspects they thought would help them translate to the next level. Even Owen Power, the #1 pick went back. It's not rocket science.

It's almost like you can improve outside of the NHL in the league youre playing in, before coming into the NHL. No single player has done that after all, absolutely none

 

[Rydev]

All of those players went back to specifically improve on whatever aspects they thought would help them translate to the next level. Even Owen Power, the #1 pick went back. It's not rocket science.

It's almost like you can improve outside of the NHL in the league youre playing in, before coming into the NHL. No single player has done that after all, absolutely none

So youre suggesting theyd learn more in the NCAA than any pro league, from the Czech league to the NHL?

Yeah, sure thing lmao

 

[Breakers]

What proof is there that going back 'did wonders' for their games?

Both examples you made produced less in seasons 2 than 1

The correlation between players returning for a sophomore year and it being beneficial has been established

It's not even debatable

 

[Rydev]

The correlation between players returning for a sophomore year and it being beneficial has been established

It's not even debatable

Show me, id love to see it

 

[Boonk]

So youre suggesting theyd learn more in the NCAA than any pro league, from the Czech league to the NHL?

Yeah, sure thing lmao

Yes, and they do learn. Otherwise there wouldn't be players going from the NCAA to the NHL now would there?

You're talking about the Czech league? There have been far more talents, star players even, coming from the NCAA to the NHL than that league, which disproves any point you have here.

 

[Breakers]

Show me, id love to see it

recently?

Makar
Werenski
Hughes
Boeser
Mcavoy
Schmaltz
Pinto
Caufield
Fox
Miller (NYR)
Boldy
Newhook
etc etc

lets look at some prospects who decided not to:
Turcotte
Jost
Mittelstadt

some have been successful like Larkin and Eichel

 

[Jersey Fresh]

He was always going to come back for his sophomore year. He was a really young freshman this year. Another year will do wonders for him like it did for Makar and his brother.

Also, it was Van Whye who lost coverage in OT, not Luke.

Of course it wasn't his guy, don't mind Crypto Guy. Like a moth to the flame with Devils threads.

I don't think he played badly tonight at all. So nearly ended the OT with his speed, shame that puck went on end.

He should and will go back for a sophomore year. It will be good for him to take more of a leadership role with a lot of guys moving on and develop his all-situation game.

 

[Rydev]

recently?

Makar
Werenski
Hughes
Boeser
Mcavoy
Schmaltz
Pinto
Caufield
Fox
Miller (NYR)
Boldy
Newhook
etc etc

lets look at some prospects who decided not to:
Turcotte
Jost
Mittelstadt

some have been successful like Larkin and Eichel

So you listed players who simply went to college?

So Auston Matthews would have been better if he went to college instead of Europe, right? Jack Hughes would have been better at Michigan for two years?

And of course you cant forget every succesful European, how on Earth do they manage to succeed without the NCAA!!

 

[Mergatroidskittle]

bro everyone is against you just stop lol

I mean I kinda see what he’s saying. He’s just not putting it out very well

 

[Boonk]

So you listed players who simply went to college?

So Auston Matthews would have been better if he went to college instead of Europe, right? Jack Hughes would have been better at Michigan for two years?

And of course you cant forget every succesful European, how on Earth do they manage to succeed without the NCAA

Jack Hughes literally would've improved at Michigan and probably would've been more NHL ready than jumping from the USHL Junior A league straight to the NHL (as per his abysmal rookie season). Auston Matthews literally only played in Zurich because the coach Marc Crawford vouched for him, otherwise he would've played College or Juniors.

The players you're talking about were superstar talents from their draft years and are exceptions, not the norm.

 

[Breakers]

So you listed players who simply went to college?

So Auston Matthews would have been better if he went to college instead of Europe, right? Jack Hughes would have been better at Michigan for two years?

And of course you cant forget every succesful European, how on Earth do they manage to succeed without the NCAA!!

What are you talking about?
like seriously what is this word salad?

Im not talking about european leagues or CHL or anything else.

I am simply discussing the corelleation between staying for a sophomore year in college to develop ones game against being one and done.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I dont think you have any legitimate argument on what Luke Hughes would be improving on next season

Defending some NCAA players who wont make the big league? Yeah thats worth a lot

Hes not coming up because NJ sucks and hed get caved in. No other reason

 

[Rydev]

Jack Hughes literally would've improved at Michigan and probably would've been more NHL ready than jumping from the USHL Junior A league straight to the NHL (as per his abysmal rookie season). Auston Matthews literally only played in Zurich because the coach Marc Crawford vouched for him, otherwise he would've played College or Juniors.

The players you're talking about were superstar talents from their draft years and are exceptions, not the norm.

So then why dont all Europeans come over? Why play in some Chezchia league if you can play in the almighty NCAA, where development is promised?

All it is is an accepted method that the NHL makes money off of. Its not at all a proven method of development and any one of the names listed in this thread could have excelled in the AHL, Europe, or NHL all the same

Cale Makar and Adam Fox werent going to be Norris candidates last year if they didnt go to NCAA for 2-3 years? What a crock of shit

 

[WarriorofTime]

Hughes was PISSED when Michigan gave up the GWG, lol. Kid's gotta control his temper.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Just saw he lost his coverage on the season ending OT goal, definitely should stick around another year in the NCAA. He needs a lot of work in his own zone.

Oh yeah, it was 100% his fault and he knew it too. Now has to live with the shame of costing the most talented college hockey team ever assembled a shot at a national championship, but the millions he will get in the NHL will soothe the pain.

Going back is stupid, he has a guaranteed roster spot in the NHL next season.

 

[Boonk]

So then why dont all Europeans come over? Why play in some Chezchia league if you can play in the almighty NCAA, where development is promised?

All it is is an accepted method that the NHL makes money off of. Its not at all a proven method of development and any one of the names listed in this thread could have excelled in the AHL, Europe, or NHL all the same

Cale Makar and Adam Fox werent going to be Norris candidates last year if they didnt go to NCAA for 2-3 years? What a crock of shit

Because believe it or not, as an international student/player, paying tuition and applying for scholarships to study in a foreign land is expensive and NCAA and Junior teams have import rules? And vice versa for European leagues, why would American and Canadian kids travel overseas if they've got the best development leagues and circuits in their own backyard and these Euro teams have import laws and work permit rules. You're acting as if the NCAA is some trash league that players cant develop in if they stay longer, which tells me you don't know anything lol.

The Czech league that you keep yapping on about is a pro league that doesn't even produce the same level and amounts of talent the NCAA does yearly. Even the Swiss League where Auston Matthews played in his draft year doesn't. It's not really hard to understand but you keep arguing against reality.

 

[Rydev]

Because believe it or not, as an international student/player, paying tuition and applying for scholarships to study in a foreign land is expensive and NCAA and Junior teams have import rules? And vice versa for European leagues, why would American and Canadian kids travel overseas if they've got the best development leagues and circuits in their own backyard and these Euro teams have import laws and work permit rules. You're acting as if the NCAA is some trash league that players cant develop in if they stay longer, which tells me you don't know anything lol.

The Czech league that you keep yapping on about is a pro league that doesn't even produce the same level and amounts of talent the NCAA does yearly. Even the Swiss League where Auston Matthews played in his draft year doesn't. It's not really hard to understand but you keep arguing against reality.

The NCAA is strictly the 'common' route because its f***ing college and kids want to have fun

Literally anyone who thinks the NCAA is better for on-ice development than a foreign pro league or the AHL is Pejorative Slured and is a sheep who just follows the leader

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Oh yeah, it was 100% his fault and he knew it too. Now has to live with the shame of costing the most talented college hockey team ever assembled a shot at a national championship, but the millions he will get in the NHL will soothe the pain.

Going back is stupid, he has a guaranteed roster spot in the NHL next season.

Honest question, what are you guys seeing here? Lambert (and the other forward) leave the puck at the blue line turning the play over. Hughes takes his man at the back door and Lambert doesn't track Savoie, while Van Whye guards air and doesn't react to the rebound, leaving him alone for the shot. That's 100% not on Hughes.

 

[Boonk]

The NCAA is strictly the 'common' route because its f***ing college and kids want to have fun

Literally anyone who thinks the NCAA is better for on-ice development than a foreign pro league or the AHL is Pejorative Slured and is a sheep who just follows the leader

Oh really? If it's not that good then why is it immensely succeeding in developing NHL players more than these leagues? Why are there not that many elite NHL players coming out of the Czech or Swiss leagues compared to the NCAA? You do know that these players actually study shit while playing there right?

Sounds to me like you don't really know anything

 

[WarriorofTime]

The NCAA is strictly the 'common' route because its f***ing college and kids want to have fun

Literally anyone who thinks the NCAA is better for on-ice development than a foreign pro league or the AHL is Pejorative Slured and is a sheep who just follows the leader

What are you going on about? Why do you have such a weird hate boner for College Hockey? It is a proven developmental path that a consistent number of high quality NHLers have passed through on their way to greater glory. That doesn't mean it's the one and only path and there are many other ones as well... but whatever point you think you're making doesn't make a lick of sense.