LD Luke Hughes (2021, 4th, NJD)

[goonybird]

can't give less of a f*** about the granular details at this point since GP + scouting has been a shitshow, but if Hughes ends up another Cam Fowler I'd be a pretty happy camper.

 

[Raian]

can't give less of a f*** about the granular details at this point since GP + scouting has been a shitshow, but if Hughes ends up another Cam Fowler I'd be a pretty happy camper.

Luke becoming Cam Fowler would be a bust

you dont draft a player top-10 to become a middle-pairing guy.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

And which one are you putting above Luke?

Its easy to name players who are near him, but I doubt youd give the nod to any of them over Luke.

Here's the thing, it's not so clear cut who the number one is in terms of skating ability. But my subjective opinion is...

This mans here. The little guy in #52.

 

[Raian]

Here's the thing, it's not so clear cut who the number one is in terms of skating ability. But my subjective opinion is...

This mans here. The little guy in #52.

It is clear cut though because Luke is six days away from being a 2022 draftee and yet his skating has him as a likely top-5 pick in the 2021 draft. Luke Hughes is almost an entire year younger than the other top-9 thatll go in this draft

And if the player you posted was three inches taller, theyd contest with

 

[Constable]

Luke Hughes is like what would happen if Mark Barberio was blessed with the Flash TV Speedforce.

I have sincere doubts about almost everything related to his offense and I don't think he's exceptional defensively.

He's a future speedy, shifty Brian Campbell with less transitional defense and your happiness with this pick all depends on if you like, need, or want a defenseman who fits that mould.

 

[Gliff]

Luke becoming Cam Fowler would be a bust

you dont draft a player top-10 to become a middle-pairing guy.

Listen Ellen, your son is a great prospect and I really hope the Ducks draft him, but you need to take a chill pill. Fowler is a #2/3 defensemen in the NHL. Luke has the potential to be a top pairing defensemen in the NHL but I think having that expectation of him is just setting yourself up for disappointment. If his realistic floor is a solid second pairing defensemen then that is pretty solid.

 

[nbducksfan19]

Its a personal opinion, Im not wrong to say anything.

Quinn and Jack are proving to be some of the games most elite skaters, at 22 and 20 respectively. Luke is a better skater Than Quinn was at 17, while having a longer stride that will only increase his explosiveness and acceleration as he gets his man strength.

Are you going to argue Cam Fowler is near as good a skater as Quinn? If so then we certainly agree to disagree. I see the three Hughes' bros as some of the smoothest and best skating players in years, and are a symbol of what hockey is becoming (extremely fast and skilled)

I like your style. Dig a deep hole of ignorance and continue to double down despite being completely wrong. Don't give up the fight, you only lose when you give up.

 

[Raian]

Listen Ellen, your son is a great prospect and I really hope the Ducks draft him, but you need to take a chill pill. Fowler is a #2/3 defensemen in the NHL. Luke has the potential to be a top pairing defensemen in the NHL but I think having that expectation of him is just setting yourself up for disappointment. If his realistic floor is a solid second pairing defensemen then that is pretty solid.

His floor is lower than a top-4 guy, but if his ceiling is Cam Fowler he isnt worth a top-15 pick

Being a maybe #2 wasnt worth a twelfth overall pick

 

[Gliff]

His floor is lower than a top-4 guy, but if his ceiling is Cam Fowler he isnt worth a top-15 pick

Being a maybe #2 wasnt worth a twelfth overall pick

Literally noone has said that that Fowler is his ceiling. He said that IF Hughes ends up at Fowlers level he will be okay.

The difference is that you are expecting him to hit his ceiling and everyone else is being realistic that he probably wont hit his absolute ceiling.

 

[Raian]

Literally noone has said that that Fowler is his ceiling. He said that IF Hughes ends up at Fowlers level he will be okay.

The difference is that you are expecting him to hit his ceiling and everyone else is being realistic that he probably wont hit his absolute ceiling.

This is going around in circles over wordsmithing at this point

Cam Fowler is a bust for a top-10 pick. Is that clear enough?

 

[Gliff]

This is going around in circles over wordsmithing at this point

Cam Fowler is a bust for a top-10 pick. Is that clear enough?

What the hell. It isn't wordsmithing, its actually reading what people write lol.
You can't just twist what people say to make your point and then want to just move on when you get called out.

I'm going to go do something better with my life now.

 

[Raian]

What the hell. It isn't wordsmithing, its actually reading what people write lol.
You can't just twist what people say to make your point and then want to just move on when you get called out.

I'm going to go do something better with my life now.

Because people are bringing up a middle pairing dman as a comparable for Luke Hughes, a soon to be top-5 pick, as if becoming Cam Fowler is any sort of success to write home about

If you told a GM 'youre getting Cam Fowler at that pick', its dropping.

but continue living in this fantasy land that Fowler is a top skater in the league whos also a top pair dman

 

[newfy]

This is going around in circles over wordsmithing at this point

Cam Fowler is a bust for a top-10 pick. Is that clear enough?

Man your standards are high. If Hughes becomes a top 2 or 3 dman thats got over 700 games played in his twenties, has pretty much produced at a ~40 point pace in his career on some pretty solid teams for a lot of the time, hes not a bust. Your definition is just ridiculously off base

 

[Zach716]

I personally think the drafting to be on brother's team is a bit overrated. It makes for a great media narrative, probably fueled by the Sedins, but always seems to boost prospects more than what they are. If being on your brother's team was truly that important to the actual player we wouldn't see the Staal brothers turn out like it has. A few other examples as well. BPA almost always outperforms over narratives.

I do think Luke at worst will be a top4 D. Best luck to the team that drafts him.

 

[Gliff]

I personally think the drafting to be on brother's team is a bit overrated. It makes for a great media narrative, probably fueled by the Sedins, but always seems to boost prospects more than what they are. If being on your brother's team was truly that important to the actual player we wouldn't see the Staal brothers turn out like it has. A few other examples as well.

It worked out okay for the Ducks once upon a time

 

[405Entrance]

Because people are bringing up a middle pairing dman as a comparable for Luke Hughes, a soon to be top-5 pick, as if becoming Cam Fowler is any sort of success to write home about

If you told a GM 'youre getting Cam Fowler at that pick', its dropping.

but continue living in this fantasy land that Fowler is a top skater in the league whos also a top pair dman

Since when do busts play over 700 games while being on pace to play 1k games ? Lower your standards or you’ll be miserable in life

 

[Ducks in a row]

This is going around in circles over wordsmithing at this point

Cam Fowler is a bust for a top-10 pick. Is that clear enough?

Cam Fowler like defenseman is not a bust for a top 10 pick.

How many busts play over 700 NHL games during the regular season and have 60+ playoff games while doing better in the playoffs then regular season?

 

[Raian]

Man your standards are high. If Hughes becomes a top 2 or 3 dman thats got over 700 games played in his twenties, has pretty much produced at a ~40 point pace in his career on some pretty solid teams for a lot of the time, hes not a bust. Your definition is just ridiculously off base

Cam Fowler has scored 40 once, and it was his rookie year

Is Cam Fowler's fan group here or something? Just straight up lying to pump his tires now?

Cam Fowler is a middle pair defenseman. Get over it. Luke Hughes is twice the prospect he was and you people cant seem to accept that (seems like mostly Ducks fans)

 

[Rabid Ranger]

This is going around in circles over wordsmithing at this point

Cam Fowler is a bust for a top-10 pick. Is that clear enough?

How is Fowler a bust?

 

[Raian]

How is Fowler a bust?

A bust for 12th overall, wouldnt be at say 24th overall or maybe closer to 30th overall

 

[Ducks in a row]

A bust for 12th overall, wouldnt be at say 24th overall

So now he is a bust at 12th overall

At 24th overall people would be excited to have a Cam Fowler like defenseman.

You should use the word disappointment instead of bust.

 

[Juxtaposer]

A bust for 12th overall, wouldnt be at say 24th overall or maybe closer to 30th overall

The last two decades of 12th overall players:

Dan Hamhuis
Steve Eminger
Hugh Jessiman
AJ Thelen
Marc Staal
Bryan Little
Ryan McDonagh
Tyler Myers
Calvin De Haan
Cam Fowler
Ryan Murphy
Mikhail Grigorenko
Max Domi
Brenden Perlini
Denis Guryanov
Michael McLeod
Martin Necas
Noah Dobson

Cam Fowler is perfectly within expectations of an average 12th overall player, and maybe even above average. You’re making yourself look extremely silly.

 

[bsu]

The last two decades of 12th overall players:

Dan Hamhuis
Steve Eminger
Hugh Jessiman
AJ Thelen
Marc Staal
Bryan Little
Ryan McDonagh
Tyler Myers
Calvin De Haan
Cam Fowler
Ryan Murphy
Mikhail Grigorenko
Max Domi
Brenden Perlini
Denis Guryanov
Michael McLeod
Martin Necas
Noah Dobson

Cam Fowler is perfectly within expectations of an average 12th overall player, and maybe even above average. You’re making yourself look extremely silly.

 

[newfy]

Cam Fowler has scored 40 once, and it was his rookie year

Is Cam Fowler's fan group here or something? Just straight up lying to pump his tires now?

Cam Fowler is a middle pair defenseman. Get over it. Luke Hughes is twice the prospect he was and you people cant seem to accept that (seems like mostly Ducks fans)

I'm a wings fan who doesnt like the ducks, you clearly have some kind of reason to have a biased boner for Luke Hughes. I'm just not an idiot calling guys with long careers as top 3 dmen in the NHL plus olympic experience a bust when they werent even taken top 10 lol.

I also said hes scored at approximately a 40 point pace, I didnt actually do the math but my eye ball test was pretty damn close. Fowler has his 40 point rookie season, 2 down years and then the next 8 years hes produced at a 38 point pace, some of which were on really bad teams. So for basically 9 of his 11 seasons hes scored at a 38 point pace, saying 38 is ~40, isnt straight up lying to pump his tires.

Do you know what ~ means or how old are you?

 

[Setec Astronomy]

So what’s the story with Luke Hughes? I’m pretty sure there’s absolutely zero chance that Cam Fowler is being drafted this year or down the road.