LD Luke Hughes (2021, 4th, NJD)

[bossram]

Compare 2017-18 Quinn to 2020-2021 Luke.

When people say Luke is a better skater than Quinn they are usually referring to them in their draft years. And yes, draft year Luke is a better skater (marginally) than draft year Quinn. D-1 Luke was almost as good as draft year Quinn.

I am. I know what people mean.

It's just they're still wrong. In his draft year, Quinn was one of the best skating prospects we've seen in recent years. Luke is not at Quinn's draft year level of skating or vision/IQ.

Luke is not the same tier that Quinn was as a draft eligible.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I dont think Luke will be anywhere near as good as Quinn with the puck or in the Ozone. Luke however will probably be more capable on the defensive end.


I see Cam Fowler lite whenever ive watched Luke Hughes.

Solid 2/3 dman

 

[Raian]

I dont think Luke will be anywhere near as good as Quinn with the puck or in the Ozone. Luke however will probably be more capable on the defensive end.


I see Cam Fowler lite whenever ive watched Luke Hughes.

Solid 2/3 dman

I dont have a problem with your projection, but Luke Hughes has more skating ability in his pinkey than Cam Fowler ever had at his peak

 

[Raian]

I am. I know what people mean.

It's just they're still wrong. In his draft year, Quinn was one of the best skating prospects we've seen in recent years. Luke is not at Quinn's draft year level of skating or vision/IQ.

Luke is not the same tier that Quinn was as a draft eligible.

Do you just repeat yourself or will you ever offer any reasoning?

 

[UrbanImpact]

Has there been any further or concrete evidence reported in regards to some possible "diva attitude" with Luke?

Also , anything new that anyone can report about his tendon/ligament season ending injury? That can be massive especially for a player such as Luke that relies on his skating.

We all know what happened to Erik Karlsson after his injury.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Without getting into individual traits

Quinn Hughes as a 17 year old put up 53 points in 65 games for U18
Luke Hughes as a 17 year old put up 34 points in 38 games for U18

Why isn't Luke in Quinn's class for offense?

 

[Frk It]

Without getting into individual traits

Quinn Hughes as a 17 year old put up 53 points in 65 games for U18
Luke Hughes as a 17 year old put up 34 points in 38 games for U18

Why isn't Luke in Quinn's class for offense?

But the answer has everything to do with individual traits.

 

[bossram]

Do you just repeat yourself or will you ever offer any reasoning?

lol, do you?

You literally said, "Luke Hughes has more skating ability in his pinkey than Cam Fowler ever had at his peak."

Talk about unsubstantiated claims man. Where's your evidence?

 

[Hisch13r]

But the answer has everything to do with individual traits.

Yeah you can't just look at strictly pt totals while ignoring all other context to say players are similar. Even just ignoring the individual traits there's a ton of other factors like teammates, individual SH%, on ice SH%, PP vs ES scoring, scoring rates, who is creating more chances

 

[Hisch13r]

Has there been any further or concrete evidence reported in regards to some possible "diva attitude" with Luke?

Also , anything new that anyone can report about his tendon/ligament season ending injury? That can be massive especially for a player such as Luke that relies on his skating.

We all know what happened to Erik Karlsson after his injury.

Pronman said the attitude thing is a big ole nothing burger. Just Rachel being Rachel.

 

[Raian]

lol, do you?

You literally said, "Luke Hughes has more skating ability in his pinkey than Cam Fowler ever had at his peak."

Talk about unsubstantiated claims man. Where's your evidence?

Actually, forget it; I think the world would be better off not reading your reasoning on this subject at all

You got it, Luke is nowhere near Quinn and is not even as good a skater as Cam Fowler. You know more than the people that have worked with Luke and Quinn

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

But the answer has everything to do with individual traits.

At 17 each are/were unfinished products. Yes Quinn might be a very slightly better skater at that age but Luke has 4 or 5 inches on him, to have that sort of size/skating combo is near unheard of for a defensmen. The only tool that is substantially lacking at this point his Luke's shot. If his shot was above average with decent mechanics I don't think there is any question that he doesn't go 1st overall. When you have that sort of skillset elite defense can be taught.

 

[bossram]

Actually, forget it; I think the world would be better off not reading your reasoning on this subject at all

You got it, Luke is nowhere near Quinn and is not even as good a skater as Cam Fowler. You know more than the people that have worked with Luke and Quinn

Such a reasonable response.

You truly are a model citizen on this board. Thanks for enlightening me with your in-depth analysis of the skating mechanics of Luke, Quinn, and Fowler. I'll strive to reach your level of credibility. I am truly inspired.

 

[Frk It]

At 17 each are/were unfinished products. Yes Quinn might be a very slightly better skater at that age but Luke has 4 or 5 inches on him, to have that sort of size/skating combo is near unheard of for a defensmen. The only tool that is substantially lacking at this point his Luke's shot. If his shot was above average with decent mechanics I don't think there is any question that he doesn't go 1st overall. When you have that sort of skillset elite defense can be taught.

Puck skills?

Quinn is dynamic with the puck on his stick in a different way than his brother can or will be. They’re just different players. Quinn had a high end offensive game I didn’t doubt would translate up a level. I think Luke’s offensive game is underrated by some, but it’s not as high end as Quinn.

I see Luke being more of a 2 way guy, and more effective defensively with his size/skating.

 

[Raian]

I'm not sure anyone who's seen both Luke and Quinn play at all can seriously conclude Luke is a better skater. Like...he's just not.

He's bigger. But he doesn't have the same heads-up vision/IQ as Quinn.

I am. I know what people mean.

It's just they're still wrong. In his draft year, Quinn was one of the best skating prospects we've seen in recent years. Luke is not at Quinn's draft year level of skating or vision/IQ.

Luke is not the same tier that Quinn was as a draft eligible.

lol, do you?

You literally said, "Luke Hughes has more skating ability in his pinkey than Cam Fowler ever had at his peak."

Talk about unsubstantiated claims man. Where's your evidence?

Such a reasonable response.

You truly are a model citizen on this board. Thanks for enlightening me with your in-depth analysis of the skating mechanics of Luke, Quinn, and Fowler. I'll strive to reach your level of credibility. I am truly inspired.

youve provided so much to the conversation

Can you even name a single skating mechanic?

'iF YoUvE sEeN ThEm pLaY'

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I am. I know what people mean.

It's just they're still wrong. In his draft year, Quinn was one of the best skating prospects we've seen in recent years. Luke is not at Quinn's draft year level of skating or vision/IQ.

Luke is not the same tier that Quinn was as a draft eligible.

Luke Hughes is also one of the best skating prospects we've seen in recent years. I think you're really underrating the kid. People are talking about him as a potential top 5 pick. That's not so easily dismissed.

 

[bossram]

youve provided so much to the conversation

Can you even name a single skating mechanic?

'iF YoUvE sEeN ThEm pLaY'

I could say the same to you. You've provided absolutely no reasoning either. You've provided the opposite of such, instead replying with crazy hyperbole (the pinky toe of Hughes vs. Fowler).

Quinn does have better skating mechanics. Much deeper knee bend and ankle flexion, which allows him to maximally elongate his stride (which is important for a shorter player). He's got some of the best edgework I've ever seen, maybe only next to Makar or a young Jeff Skinner. He can make hard cuts and spins to get away from pressure, something he's done going back to college.

From what I've seen of Luke, his edgework is just not the same calibre. His straight-line skating speed and stride is closer, but he has a little more room for error in terms of just having longer legs.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Your statement is very bold. Quinn was a terrific skater and was a better skater than Luke in almost every way. I had Quinn ranked #3oa predraft because of his excellent skating and puck carrying ability. He was smooth and agile just like he is now.

The few things that Luke is better at than quinn in skating is probably the length and smoothness of his stride. Even with his smooth long strides, he is still slower and less agile while carrying the puck.

I really do like Luke's defensive upside because I think he uses his weight and height very well for being so slim, but my issue with him is his hockey IQ. Decisions he makes with the puck can be questionable and his ability to attack the net with precision isn't quite there.

Quinn definitely skates better on the puck but that's not really a knock on Luke's game. They're both very good with it on their stick. Quinn will more than likely have way better career point totals but that's ok. Quinn is special offensively.

Luke is better at using his speed and length to close gaps on people but could use more urgency when defending. He could become a Jay Bouwmeester style of defender with hopefully more offense.

 

[bossram]

Luke Hughes is also one of the best skating prospects we've seen in recent years. I think you're really underrating the kid. People are talking about him as a potential top 5 pick. That's not so easily dismissed.

And I've seen him rated closer to 10 and beyond in other draft lists. I don't really think I'm underrating him. He's not on the same level of skating as Quinn (although he's very good), but the rest of his skillset doesn't stand out in the top ~8 of a draft class that is generally regarded as below average.

In 2018, I personally had Quinn rated #3, and I was ecstatic the Canucks were able to select him at #7. With the benefit of hindsight, it's not unreasonable to say that Quinn might be the best player (so far) of that class. This is a very lofty bar for Luke to clear. If the Canucks have Luke available at #9 and select him, I'd be happy with it. But I don't think he's on the same level as his brother.

 

[Raian]

I could say the same to you. You've provided absolutely no reasoning either. You've provided the opposite of such, instead replying with crazy hyperbole (the pinky toe of Hughes vs. Fowler).

Quinn does have better skating mechanics. Much deeper knee bend and ankle flexion, which allows him to maximally elongate his stride (which is important for a shorter player). He's got some of the best edgework I've ever seen, maybe only next to Makar or a young Jeff Skinner. He can make hard cuts and spins to get away from pressure, something he's done going back to college.

From what I've seen of Luke, his edgework is just not the same calibre. His straight-line skating speed and stride is closer, but he has a little more room for error in terms of just having longer legs.

See, now that wasnt so hard now was it

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

And I've seen him rated closer to 10 and beyond in other draft lists. I don't really think I'm underrating him. He's not on the same level of skating as Quinn (although he's very good), but the rest of his skillset doesn't stand out in the top ~8 of a draft class that is generally regarded as below average.

In 2018, I personally had Quinn rated #3, and I was ecstatic the Canucks were able to select him at #7. With the benefit of hindsight, it's not unreasonable to say that Quinn might be the best player (so far) of that class. This is a very lofty bar for Luke to clear. If the Canucks have Luke available at #9 and select him, I'd be happy with it. But I don't think he's on the same level as his brother.

Did you watch Quinn defend last year? Are people ready to throw the 2020-21 tape in the garbage? This guy was a black hole in the defensive zone no matter who they played with him. In what world is a defensmen that can't defend be the best player from a draft?

 

[bossram]

See, now that wasnt so hard now was it

Again, I could ask you the same considering you've only contributed ridiculous statements to this thread. Why is Luke a better skater?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

And I've seen him rated closer to 10 and beyond in other draft lists. I don't really think I'm underrating him. He's not on the same level of skating as Quinn (although he's very good), but the rest of his skillset doesn't stand out in the top ~8 of a draft class that is generally regarded as below average.

I think that was one list. I think you'd find him ranked closer to 5 than 10 on average.

 

[bossram]

Did you watch Quinn defend last year? Are people ready to throw the 2020-21 tape in the garbage? This guy was a black hole in the defensive zone no matter who they played with him. In what world is a defensmen that can't defend be the best player from a draft?

You're deliberately misconstruing what I said. I didn't say he was the best player of the draft. I said that it's not unreasonable to argue he's the best player of the draft (so far). His competition is Dahlin (who's had similar struggles) and two 1st line calibre forwards. Quinn is a top-pair calibre offensive defenseman. I think "reasonable", which was my claim, seems reasonable. If you want to make false claims, you do you.

Quinn's rookie season was fantastic. His shot metrics were sterling and his pairing with Tanev became the Canucks de factor high-leverage pair. Obviously this season the defending was much worse. But the team overall was much worse, Quinn's partners were worse, and his % of icetime against "elite" competition (as defined by PuckIQ) was even higher. There were a lot of games (even post-COVID), where Quinn was clearly tired and overplayed, yet Green kept throwing him out there. That didn't help. I don't think he's as bad defensively as this season appeared.

This is a Luke Hughes thread so I'll stop litigating Quinn's career now.

 

[405Entrance]

Luke Hughes to NJ would be just such a cool story and moment for the franchise; even the league to an extent. Who wouldnt want to watch them make plays together, flying up and down the ice?

I hope Anaheim doesnt ruin the party; I see Buffalo and Seattle going Power-Clarke/Beniers, and Anaheim I suspect goes Eklund/Guenther, but it all could change at a moments noticr

I want the ducks to take him not only because it would be one of the best D pairing in the league in a few years but there is also a chance they can poach jack in a few years