LD Dmitry Simashev - Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, KHL (2023, 6th, ARI)

[Guadana]

It's an argument with Kournianos

Regarding Nikishin, I think I said 40pt, but anyway, why should I remind people of my opinion about him?

It gives more context with Simashev-Zadorov thing.

 

[Garl]

I do not agree, Simashev's skating seems to me better than that of Zadorov. Zadorov has never been an elite skater, may be average or slightly above average.

Nah, Zadorov is obviously a good skater, especially for someone who is 6'6 235. Skating and natural athleticism are the two reasons why he is still in NHL

Regarding who is better, I think we should just agree to disagree. For me it is clear that you have some recensy bias, new guy is so obviously better than the old one, but remember, not all prospects pan out

Zadorov used to be really hyped and as a prospect he was really impressive. Who knew he was so dumb.

 

[Garl]

It gives more context with Simashev-Zadorov thing.

Like "he just is on a crusade against russian prospects" context?))

 

[Guadana]

Like "he just is on a crusade against russian prospects" context?))

Like "this is the way he evaluates russian prospects\defensemen".

it helps, because for example Gauthier was my top-5 way before the 2022 draft. And when people could read my message about "Leonard is potentially better packaged for his duties than Smith", someone could understand that "this is that type of a guy".

 

[Caser]

Zadorov was extremely athletic and powerful even already at the draft year, with all respect to Simashev it just isn't the same level with him. However yeah, I certainly have hopes and actually think that his hockey sense is better, but iirc Zadorov's flaws weren't that noticeable while he was still in the juniors.

 

[Garl]

Like "this is the way he evaluates russian prospects\defensemen".

it helps, because for example Gauthier was my top-5 way before the 2022 draft. And when people could read my message about "Leonard is potentially better packaged for his duties than Smith", someone could understand that "this is that type of a guy".

Hmm, I see. Well, I guess I am biased against russian defensemen playing domestically, since I do believe that conservative approach of russian coaches make it almost impossible to produce a big point producing defenseman. We shall see about Gulyaev who is probably the most offensively talented D from Russia since probably Orlov(maybe I am forgetting someone). With Nikishin I don't see more than 40pt guy, let's say Gavrikov with a bit more offense.

Simashev - Zadorov comparsion is legit IMO, they seem to be in similar position, Zadorov was probably a more impressive prospect 10 years ago. And now we have people who see how Zadorov turned out and claim he is an average skater (while 10 years ago everyone was raving on how great of a skater he is)and this new guy is so much better.

I will tell you that if Zadorov is Simashev 's floor, he is a great pick in the 1st round but if he is his ceiling, then not so much.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Hmm, I see. Well, I guess I am biased against russian defensemen playing domestically, since I do believe that conservative approach of russian coaches make it almost impossible to produce a big point producing defenseman. We shall see about Gulyaev who is probably the most offensively talented D from Russia since probably Orlov(maybe I am forgetting someone). With Nikishin I don't see more than 40pt guy, let's say Gavrikov with a bit more offense.

Simashev - Zadorov comparsion is legit IMO, they seem to be in similar position, Zadorov was probably a more impressive prospect 10 years ago. And now we have people who see how Zadorov turned out and claim he is an average skater (while 10 years ago everyone was raving on how great of a skater he is)and this new guy is so much better.

I will tell you that if Zadorov is Simashev 's floor, he is a great pick in the 1st round but if he is his ceiling, then not so much.

Relative skating ability then to now is probably a little different, the game was getting faster back then but now its at a different level. I recall Zadorov having quite a bit of hype but I do think Simashev controls the puck better than Zadorov did, I don't think Zadorov was projected to be as much of a potential puck carrier, but had a heavy shot (unlike Simashev).

IIRC anyways. Maybe you disagree.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Nah, Zadorov is obviously a good skater, especially for someone who is 6'6 235. Skating and natural athleticism are the two reasons why he is still in NHL

Regarding who is better, I think we should just agree to disagree. For me it is clear that you have some recensy bias, new guy is so obviously better than the old one, but remember, not all prospects pan out

Zadorov used to be really hyped and as a prospect he was really impressive. Who knew he was so dumb.

He never was as good as this

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Simachev, you are a Vancouver Canuck!

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Simachev, you are a Vancouver Canuck!

Excuse my ignorance, but it it basically a done deal that they're going for D at #11? Don't they also need centers -- are centers like Danielson or Dvorsky out of the question in your opinion?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Excuse my ignorance, but it it basically a done deal that they're going for D at #11? Don't they also need centers -- are centers like Danielson or Dvorsky out of the question in your opinion?

Dvorsky will be gone before they pick at 11.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Simashev is a better defensively but less offensive K’Andre Miller. He’s a guy who in 5 years time prove to be invaluable on a blueline and almost untouchable due to the size and skating.

 

[Hamhuis2]

Am I wrong to see some similarities to Simon Edvinsson as a prospect?

Both are big LHD defensemen with good hands and skating ability (especially for their size). Both have had production concerns, but have shown promise of more.

Edvinsson looks on track to be a top-pairing D...is Simashev really that different? If he wasn't Russian, he's a top-10 pick imo (FYI, Edvinsson went #6 in a weaker class).

 

[Petes2424]

Am I wrong to see some similarities to Simon Edvinsson as a prospect?

Both are big LHD defensemen with good hands and skating ability (especially for their size). Both have had production concerns, but have shown promise of more.

Edvinsson looks on track to be a top-pairing D...is Simashev really that different? If he wasn't Russian, he's a top-10 pick imo (FYI, Edvinsson went #6 in a weaker class).

Edvinsson is a pair carrying Dman, who’s pretty much as smooth as it gets for someone his size. Two completely different players on the ice. The play goes through Edvinsson. Even in his NHL games, you see it. That’s why people are so high on him these last couple months.

Simashev is more move the puck north south. He doesn’t have that same feel for the game. Doesn’t mean it can’t come but it’s not there.

Edvinsson had that going into his draft year too Bts.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Excuse my ignorance, but it it basically a done deal that they're going for D at #11? Don't they also need centers -- are centers like Danielson or Dvorsky out of the question in your opinion?

If Dvorsky was available they could definitely take him.

Even with the need on D & rumoured love of Willander, and now interest in Simashev, I think they take Danielson if he is available. I don't agree with taking him over Simashev (and maybe its just the cynical Canucks fan in me) but I'm fully expecting it to be Danielson.

 

[Petes2424]

If Dvorsky was available they could definitely take him.

Even with the need on D & rumoured love of Willander, and now interest in Simashev, I think they take Danielson if he is available. I don't agree with taking him over Simashev (and maybe its just the cynical Canucks fan in me) but I'm fully expecting it to be Danielson.

Danielson is going to be the sneaky player from this draft, who has a really long, productive career, but I think they have to go D if Willander or Reinbacher is there. If it helps, I don’t think Danielson will be there, nor Dvorsky. Look what they just gave up to get Hronek. You have to draft higher-end Dmen, or pay out of the rear to get them. If you can get them. If in 3 years they have 3 of them, they will be hard to play against.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

If Dvorsky was available they could definitely take him.

Even with the need on D & rumoured love of Willander, and now interest in Simashev, I think they take Danielson if he is available. I don't agree with taking him over Simashev (and maybe its just the cynical Canucks fan in me) but I'm fully expecting it to be Danielson.

Danielson, Dvorsky, Simashev...not sure you can go wrong there whichever you pick. 3 very strong #11 picks.

 

[Evgeny Oliker]

Zadorov was extremely athletic and powerful even already at the draft year, with all respect to Simashev it just isn't the same level with him. However yeah, I certainly have hopes and actually think that his hockey sense is better, but iirc Zadorov's flaws weren't that noticeable while he was still in the juniors.

How would you compare Simashev to Broberg? To me they are very similar. Both big D with great skating but not the best hockey sense.

Who do you think has more offensive upside between those 2? And why?

 

[Caser]

How would you compare Simashev to Broberg? To me they are very similar. Both big D with great skating but not the best hockey sense.

Who do you think has more offensive upside between those 2? And why?

You're way overestimating my knowledge here, I didn't analyze Broberg back in the days like at all. Still I didn't notice Simashev having much issues with the hockey sense, my concerns about him are more about the puck handling.

 

[majormajor]

How would you compare Simashev to Broberg? To me they are very similar. Both big D with great skating but not the best hockey sense.

Who do you think has more offensive upside between those 2? And why?

I think I know what you mean - great skaters who can rush the puck but often run themselves out of options before finding the right play. Can get around one or two guys without creating a dangerous chance.

But other than that Simashev is not like Broberg. He is a great defensive skater, looks like he'll be a shutdown option in the NHL with his back skating, greater reach, and seems to think the game better defensively. Broberg is probably faster but Simashev has more agility (yes even at 6'4) and deception and I think that's actually more valuable here.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I know Wings fans might not love it when it is mocked. But I can see the logic, especially since both Edvinsson and Wallinder have played their off-sides. A top four of Seider, Edvinsson, Wallinder and Simashev is a very legit building block core. The size and mobility to go with puck movement would be a pretty big nightmare to play against. It really intrigues me as a Wings fan if Stevie was to go this route.

 

[jackjohnson]

Excuse my ignorance, but it it basically a done deal that they're going for D at #11? Don't they also need centers -- are centers like Danielson or Dvorsky out of the question in your opinion?

If Dvorsky or Moore get taken, Siameshev will be a Canuck unless Reinbacher falls to 11

I know Wings fans might not love it when it is mocked. But I can see the logic, especially since both Edvinsson and Wallinder have played their off-sides. A top four of Seider, Edvinsson, Wallinder and Simashev is a very legit building block core. The size and mobility to go with puck movement would be a pretty big nightmare to play against. It really intrigues me as a Wings fan if Stevie was to go this route.

Wings would have their top 4 for the next 10 years if that happens.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

If Dvorsky or Moore get taken, Siameshev will be a Canuck unless Reinbacher falls to 11

I’m pretty sure Willander gets picked from Vancouver by all reports before Simashev, unless Reinbacher falls. I hope I’m wrong but by all reports the Canucks pick is either Willander or Danielson.

 

[Raistlin]

if its either Simashev or Willander and they really dont mind either, I can see them trading down with Nashville. the host wants to do something big. I think PA will just ask for a low 2nd extra.