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LD Albert Johansson (2019, 60th, DET)

Im going to go against some of the other wings fans here. The 2nd round drafting those years was plain bad.
In the same time frame:
Anaheim: LaCombe, Zellweger, Colangelo
Boston: Lohrei
Buffalo: Peterka
Carolina: Kotchetkov, Nikishin
Chicago: Colton Dach, Vlasic
Dallas: Stankoven

And this is jsut me going through a few teams alphabetically. Most teams had one or two 2nd rounders those years at most, we had among the most in the whole league with 3 in multiple years and there’s very little to show for it.
 
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RedHawkDown said:
Im going to go against some of the other wings fans here. The 2nd round drafting those years was plain bad.
In the same time frame:
Anaheim: LaCombe, Zellweger, Colangelo
Boston: Lohrei
Buffalo: Peterka
Carolina: Kotchetkov, Nikishin
Chicago: Colton Dach, Vlasic
Dallas: Stankoven

And this is jsut me going through a few teams alphabetically. Most teams had one or two 2nd rounders those years at most, we had among the most in the whole league with 3 in multiple years and there’s very little to show for it.
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Wallinder is nearly 2 years younger than Lohrei, just as a reference. It takes time for defense to develop which almost feels redundant to say when we're seeing the result of that development time with Johansson right now.

Also I personally don't understand the obsession with the 2nd round. Maybe Colangelo and his 2 NHL points was a better pick than Wallinder. Maybe. Lacombe and Zellweger also look like good picks. Does it matter when they drafted Zegras and Drysdale? Mactavish is also not really looking special, yet. No team has a 100% success rate in every round of every draft.
 
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Pavels Dog said:
Wallinder is nearly 2 years younger than Lohrei, just as a reference. It takes time for defense to develop which almost feels redundant to say when we're seeing the result of that development time with Johansson right now.

Also I personally don't understand the obsession with the 2nd round. Maybe Colangelo and his 2 NHL points was a better pick than Wallinder. Maybe. Anaheim also drafted Zegras and Drysdale in the top 10 those years who are both looking incredibly disappointing. Give me good 1st round drafting over good 2nd round drafting all day, every day, twice on sunday and anyday.
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I agree with you, as I said earlier in the thread. Yzerman has absolutely knocked 1st round drafting out of the park, so our drafting has been quite good overall with that in mind. But with better 2nd round drafting we’d be at that next level. Hopefully that next group of Buch, Augustine, Plante etc can turn it around.
 
RedHawkDown said:
Im going to go against some of the other wings fans here. The 2nd round drafting those years was plain bad.
In the same time frame:
Anaheim: LaCombe, Zellweger, Colangelo
Boston: Lohrei
Buffalo: Peterka
Carolina: Kotchetkov, Nikishin
Chicago: Colton Dach, Vlasic
Dallas: Stankoven

And this is jsut me going through a few teams alphabetically. Most teams had one or two 2nd rounders those years at most, we had among the most in the whole league with 3 in multiple years and there’s very little to show for it.
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You should look at all of the draft picks, rather than go by team. You will see that you likely have listed almost all impact guys already (although I would not have included Dach/Colangelo). The Wings have missed on those, sure. I think most here accept that it could have been better. At the same time, it almost always could, even for the best.

To me the more relevant question is whether DRW 2nd round draft picks over those years come out below average, about average, or above. Indeed, I am not excluding the last choice either. This is a 2nd AHL year for Wallinder and Tuomisto; 1st AHL year for Buium. Johansson spent 2 years in the AHL, and for now has grabbed a top4 role, and is doing well. As this moment's snapshot, the results arebelow average (1/7). But the results are still coming in. Johansson could still regress and fail, and 0/7 would be a clear disaster. If one of Buium/Wallinder/Tuomisto joins Johansson we would have 2/7 which would be average. I do not think you can exclude 3/7 or even 4/7 at this point either, which would be above average. The point is, it's not looking good today, but it's also a bit early to make final conclusions today.
 
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yea, it is too early to say something definitive, and yet yzerman haters have been talking trash for YEARS. but let's go over the prospects from your cherry picked list

2019
johansson - playing 20 minutes a night in the top 4 in the nhl and looking great doing so

tuomisto - looking good playing top 4 in the ahl, could get a look later this year or next

mastrosimone - no longer with the org, looks like a career ahler
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Also Yzerman drafted Soderblom in 2019 and he looks like a 6'9" 240ib stud. He most likely will stay on full time when healthy bodies come back.

Yzerman's 2019 draft shaping up to be elite. If you get 3 quality players, then you done a fantastic job. If you get more than three, then you are defying odds. No question in my mind more DRW drafted players will come out of that 2019 draft; Antti Tuomisto has some jam to him.
 
This kid is now averaging 20 minutes a game and looking fantastic, made a mockery of Samsonov yesterday. Pretty crazy how a coaching change can completely turn around a kid's career! I wonder what would have happened to him had the Wings not fired Lalonde? He had spent two full years in the AHL, and in his third year in North America was pretty well riding the pine every game in Detroit. Without McLellan coming along, there was probably a good chance he goes back to Sweden never to be seen in the NHL again. Sad to see the way Lalonde treated him, I'm sure this type of thing has killed other careers.
 
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This kid is now averaging 20 minutes a game and looking fantastic, made a mockery of Samsonov yesterday. Pretty crazy how a coaching change can completely turn around a kid's career! I wonder what would have happened to him had the Wings not fired Lalonde? He had spent two full years in the AHL, and in his third year in North America was pretty well riding the pine every game in Detroit. Without McLellan coming along, there was probably a good chance he goes back to Sweden never to be seen in the NHL again. Sad to see the way Lalonde treated him, I'm sure this type of thing has killed other careers.
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I dont think we were nearing the make or break point quite yet. Detroit traded Maatta to create more playing time for Albert. So people high up in the org are big fans of him, rightfully so.

Expect Albert to go from strength to strength. But he has hit bit of a rookie wall of late during the wings losing streak. So it's nice to see him pot one. Hopefully it kicks start his production.
 
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Honestly, I disagree with those comparables listed above, Lindell, Ekholm & Hjalmarsson are all much bigger. Johansson is actually pretty slightly built and his game relies on smarts and positioning. Ekholm is more physical now than he used to be but is much bigger, Hjalmarsson was very physical and is much bigger, Lindell is bigger and more physical than Johansson. I actually think the style of play is more like Lidstrom, obviously no where near as good but smart, puck moving, unflappable, quiet, effective play.

That having been said, Johansson needs to get much stronger if he's going to secure a 10 year NHL career, he's a beanpole still and for a more defensive oriented defenseman, he's going to need the extra strength to survive. I do like his game a lot, he's a smart young player.
 
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seafoam said:
Who is he stylistically comparable to?

Lindell
Ekholm
Hjalmarsson
etc.
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I view him as the average of Jared Spurgeon and Anton Stralman. He's not as good of a skater as Spurgeon, but he's bigger and better physically. He's not as good physically as Stralman, and isn't as strong positionally, but he's a better skater and thus better at retrievals and rushes.

We'll see if he can do this consistently and so develop to have their impact. If so, he's the ideal complementary defenseman IMO. A chameleon that can facilitate for any style of partner. The anti-Ben Chiarot.
 
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