Confirmed with Link: Lawrence Gilman, Lorne Henning, Eric Crawford AND Mike Burnstein fired

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iceburg

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Wonder if there are others who might start thinking about it. It won't be the swedes although id love to get back a proper return for him.

Burrows, Higgins, Hansen and maybe Hamhuis into the season (training camp in PG throws a wrench in to doing it sooner).

I doubt hank and Danny stick it out for their whole contract. They're the only think keeping this thing floating.

You've got to believe that guys like Kesler, Bieksa, and Burrows have a good handle on the internal issues. I'd be very surprised if they weren't all thinking the same thing.
 

biturbo19

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I'm not generally one for "conspiracy theories" and the like, but i really do wonder if that Kassian/Prust trade was the real "flashpoint" for this.

I think that was the first real move where i could see a group of these holdovers just standing up and saying, "this is idiotic". Full stop. Tipping off a whole big thing. Up to this point, most of the moves made have had some sort of reasoning that could at least be justified in some way, shape, or form to various extents. But yesterday...i just don't know how you explain that. The timing on this just looks far too coincidental (though admittedly, it's also coincidentally just after Free Agency opens - to keep their targets/plans internal i suppose).

Just sort of reads like there was a major spat over something, and that "Gillis regime cabal" sent packing at the end of it.
 

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Suffice to say benning type team building is a cookie cutter approach to filling specific roles regardless of cost and the guys he just let go were about targeting undervalued skill and getting good deals?

IMO that should be a match made in heaven. I imagine benning, linden and weisbrod were getting sick of being opposed.
 
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My biggest hope was that Gilman would become Gillis' successor before our current [MOD] took over. I'm a huge fan of the guy.

Intelligent and forward thinking executive with what seems like a good reputation around the league. He always announced our draft picks. Would make an excellent GM. Guy is the polar opposite of Jimbo.
 
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GPNuck

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I'm not generally one for "conspiracy theories" and the like, but i really do wonder if that Kassian/Prust trade was the real "flashpoint" for this.

I think that was the first real move where i could see a group of these holdovers just standing up and saying, "this is idiotic". Full stop. Tipping off a whole big thing. Up to this point, most of the moves made have had some sort of reasoning that could at least be justified in some way, shape, or form to various extents. But yesterday...i just don't know how you explain that. The timing on this just looks far too coincidental (though admittedly, it's also coincidentally just after Free Agency opens - to keep their targets/plans internal i suppose).

Just sort of reads like there was a major spat over something, and that "Gillis regime cabal" sent packing at the end of it.

I am really looking forward to the day Linden and Benning get fired.. I hope we can get new ownership too
 

vanuck

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Like others have said, seems like they turfed the guys who didn't agree with them. Seems like they weren't being listened to anyway what with all the moves they've made over the past year, but this is just more smoke. Hilarious how they got rid of the few competent people remaining. Cap genius Weisbrod and scouting genius Delorme in positions of power... This organization is quickly becoming a joke. Probably the worst managed team in the league right now.
 

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Like others have said, seems like they turfed the guys who didn't agree with them. Seems like they weren't being listened to anyway, but this is just more smoke. This organization is quickly becoming a joke. Probably the worst managed team in the league right now.

I use to think that was Garth Snow then obviously the Oilers but we are the new champs for sure
 

HSD19

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The new assistant GM is Weisbrod.

The guy who is a laughing stock in Calgary and generally viewed as the village idiot there.

Totally.

I think there may have been a big difference in thinking between Gilman and Benning and how Benning was going on about trading our assets for crap.
 

Goon42

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Like others have said, seems like they turfed the guys who didn't agree with them. Seems like they weren't being listened to anyway, but this is just more smoke. This organization is quickly becoming a joke. Probably the worst managed team in the league right now.

Boston says whatsup
 

GPNuck

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I think bitturbo was right .. He was pissed off the guys objected fiercely about the Kassian trade and like a spoiled kid with power decided "They can't talk to me that way, do they know who I am ?"
 

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So when Trevor Linden was at the epicenter of the Mike Keenan-led destruction of the Canucks in the mid-90s, what he was actually thinking was "boy, I'd sure like to do this some time."
 

vanuck

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Outstanding level of whining here for a manager simply assembling his own team, rather than using the team of his abysmal predecessor.

Benning can only dream of reaching the same level of competence as "his abysmal predecessor".
 

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There was once famous ship. You may have heard its name. Some folks deemed it to be "unsinkable". It was largely constructed by its architect who, for the sake of this analogy, we will call Laurence Gilman. He decided to join the ship on its maiden voyage across the Atlantic. He was an employee of the company which owned the ship and had footed the bill for it, and the head of the company decided to join this ship on its maiden voyage as well. For the sake of this analogy, we will call the owner Francesco Aquilini.

Mr. Aquilini wanted everything to be perfect for the unsinkable ship's maiden voyage. So he employed a salty man of the sea, an experienced Captain, who we shall call Jim Benning. A veteran of many ships and many voyages, he seemed like a logical selection to captain this unsinkable ship that was making news around the world, and all of his experience was set to be put to good use on the maiden voyage.

So off went the ship on its maiden voyage. Mr. Aquilini, obsessed with being the best, constantly encouraged Benning to take the ship faster and faster. Nevermind the warnings of icebergs that came from the ship's communications officers, who shall now be referred to as Erik Crawford and Lorne Henning. Mr. Aquilini wanted to blow everyone away by having their unsinkable new ship pull into their destination a full day early - so faster, faster, faster, was his decree.

Benning, the experienced seaman, could have quite easily put the uppity millionaire in his place by simply asserting himself as the Captain of the ship. But in total ignorance to everything his accumulated experience had taught him, he ordered the ship to go faster. Once again, in ignorance of the multitude of warnings now coming through that there were icebergs in the ship's path.

And so, late one night, the ship struck an iceberg. The damage was such that the ship's lauded "unsinkable" technology was now hopelessly compromised. The braintrust gathered where the architect gave them all the stunning news that the ship would certainly sink - within an hour. Two at most.

Some passengers on the ship would go down in history. Once very well known passenger, whom we will call Kevin Bieksa, asserted that he was "dressed in his best and prepared to go down as a gentleman". The ship's band - Daniel and Henrik Sedin, Alexandre Burrows and Dan Hamhuis - was seen playing into the night, even as the ship began to disappear beneath the waves.

Laurence Gilman was last season in the great hall, staring at a clock, periodically changing its time to be accurate. Accuracy and details had been hallmarks of his long and decorated career.

Reports were conflicting on what happened to Benning. Some stories surfaced of him helping people into lifeboats from the water itself, while others report he was last seen on the bridge as it disappeared beneath the waves; perhaps choosing to spend his last mortal moments contemplating the errors that had brought him to such disaster.

Mr. Aquilini survived, of course. In spite of Benning's order of "women and children first" to the lifeboats, Mr. Aquilini himself ended up in one. It was an act that was labeled as cowardice, and it followed him for the rest of his life.

The End

The Cast of Characters;

Laurence Gilman....Thomas Andrews
Francesco Aquilini...J. Bruce Ismay
Jim Benning...Captain E.J. Smith
Lorne Henning...Jack Phillips
Erik Crawford...Harold Bride
Kevin Bieksa...Sir Benjamin Guggenheim
Daniel, Henrik, Burrows, Hamhuis...The Ship's Band

To paraphrase a caller on TSN 1040 yesterday:

"They're not manning a battleship anymore, they're hanging on to a sinking ship.".
 

vanuck

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Boston says whatsup

Between Sweeney and Benning, I don't know who's worse. But even being in that conversation is reason enough to be terrified as a Canucks fan. It's just depressing.

except benning bleeds draft picks like crazy

by the time we're truly bottoming out, we'll have nothing but pending UFA's we didn't flip at the trade deadline for picks because "that's a bad message to send to the locker room when you're making a playoff push". we'll have no picks to rebuild with. it's disgusting.

THIS.

This is inside job by the Bruins right? I don't understand anything anymore

It's really the only explanation.
 

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:laugh:

In an odd way it's comforting to know that Gilman and Crawford weren't just yes men to Benning's idiocy.

Wish them all the best and congratulations on getting out of this hell hole management team.

Brandon Benning new director of player personnel?
 

arsmaster*

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I'm not generally one for "conspiracy theories" and the like, but i really do wonder if that Kassian/Prust trade was the real "flashpoint" for this.

I think that was the first real move where i could see a group of these holdovers just standing up and saying, "this is idiotic". Full stop. Tipping off a whole big thing. Up to this point, most of the moves made have had some sort of reasoning that could at least be justified in some way, shape, or form to various extents. But yesterday...i just don't know how you explain that. The timing on this just looks far too coincidental (though admittedly, it's also coincidentally just after Free Agency opens - to keep their targets/plans internal i suppose).

Just sort of reads like there was a major spat over something, and that "Gillis regime cabal" sent packing at the end of it.

The writing was on the wall the moment weisbrod was brought in.

It was a predictable outcome that we're just seeing now.

They're have been signs along the way.

Now we'll here that management "is on the same page" and "pulling in the right direction together".

Perfect recipe for group think and the acquisition of a bunch of reliable players coupled with those with physical tools/talents like "ripping the puck" and "rushing the puck through the neutral zone". Instead of targeting guys that get stuff done with their rushes, or master movement and positioning with instincts in the offensive zone, we'll be targeting the guys with tools.

And each tool box (team) needs a diverse set of tools and all the players acquired will be expected to fill the role of that certain tool even though sometimes that Phillips head screwdriver can be used as a hammer, but won't ever be able to full fill that role on a fill time basis. Better to let that screw driver screw and the hammer bang.
 
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I fully believe that Gilman was disgusted with the direction Jimbo & Co. were running the team for the last year. He is probably relieved to no longer be associated with these morons. I hope he finds a job soon.

Same with Crawford and Henning.
 

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So pretty much we fired everybody who is good, and promoted everybody who is bad.
 

Love

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Trevor says firings not about "performance", not about "the past"

Not sure whether these 3 will be replaced or their responsibilities might just be delegated.
 
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