Confirmed with Link: Laughton 50 Retention A 4th and A 6th to the Leafs for A Conditional 2027 1st Round Pick and Nikita Grebenkin

  • We sincerely apologize for the extended downtime. Our hosting provider, XenForo Cloud, encountered a major issue with their backup system, which unfortunately resulted in the loss of some critical data from the past year.

    What This Means for You:

    • If you created an account after March 2024, it no longer exists. You will need to sign up again to access the forum.
    • If you registered before March 2024 but changed your email, username, or password in the past year, those changes were lost. You’ll need to update your account details manually once you're logged in.
    • Threads and posts created within the last year have been restored.

    Our team is working with Xenforo Cloud to recover data using backups, sitemaps, and other available resources. We know this is frustrating, and we deeply regret the impact on our community. We are taking steps with Xenforo Cloud to ensure this never happens again. This is work in progress. Thank you for your patience and support as we work through this.

    In the meantime, feel free to join our Discord Server
Leafs are a slow team. Mathews has lost a step and it shows.

We used to be a team that could skate and use our speed in transition.

Now every game it seems we are always the slower team. Ottawa won’t be a good matchup for us IMHO

We matchup better with Tampa but they have the hottest goalie and we all know that goalies can win you a series and a cup
I think part of it is that we play slowly by design. This isn't Keefe's up tempo style, it's built on different things. The other part is likely that it's a tougher system on the body and it takes it's toll.

The hope, is of course, that this style is what works best come April.
 
I mean I guess they are probably putting him as 4c to get caught up to Berubes system as a C.

IF they want to keep domi as 3C.


Knies. Matthews. Marner
Laughton Tavares. Willy
Mcmann. Domi. Robby/max/jarny
Lorentz. Kampf. One of those.

The Nylander/McMann/Tavares line has been outstanding. Why would you ever want to break up that chemistry? This isn’t an NHL ‘25 video game, my friend.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Confucius
The Nylander/McMann/Tavares line has been outstanding. Why would you ever want to break up that chemistry? This isn’t an NHL ‘25 video game, my friend.
I always envisioned McMann on the 2nd Line. Glad to see them firing on all cylinders. He fits well on the 3rd a well. Players like him are versatile due to his speed and nose for the net.
 
I'm here to defend Scott Laughton, but maybe I need to defend Treliving.

Seriously though, what is all that worth? If you didn't know that Laughton would stumble at the beginning of his time in Toronto.

What if other teams were bidding for him too?

I don't think it's an overpay. You would have to think that to get all of that, you would need pay a conditional 1st and a C-level prospect.
 
I'm here to defend Scott Laughton, but maybe I need to defend Treliving.

Seriously though, what is all that worth? If you didn't know that Laughton would stumble at the beginning of his time in Toronto.

What if other teams were bidding for him too?

I don't think it's an overpay. You would have to think that to get all of that, you would need pay a conditional 1st and a C-level prospect.
You only pay for retention on a players surplus value.

Ex. Leafs paid for retention on McCabe because he was worth more than 2M. Cats didn't pay for retention on Jones, they paid for Jones the player at his real value and Hawks ate some cap to move him.

So far Laugh is sub 1.5M, so if anything the Flyers owed us the picks to eat a bit of cap.

And so far, Laugh the player isn't worth a 1st and Grebs. If he stays a fourth line winger through the playoffs, it's closer to a 4th. The difference is startling.
 
You only pay for retention on a players surplus value.

Ex. Leafs paid for retention on McCabe because he was worth more than 2M. Cats didn't pay for retention on Jones, they paid for Jones the player at his real value and Hawks ate some cap to move him.

So far Laugh is sub 1.5M, so if anything the Flyers owed us the picks to eat a bit of cap.

And so far, Laugh the player isn't worth a 1st and Grebs. If he stays a fourth line winger through the playoffs, it's closer to a 4th. The difference is startling.
I feel like you're judge, jury, executioner on this. Definitely too passionate to respond to this thread and give an objective opinion. You speak of McCabe as though someone knew exactly that he was going to be a steady top 4 defenseman. There's a lot of hindsight analysis here.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Its not your fault
Value of a 3rd line center
Domi signed as a free agent
Kampf signed as a free agentt
Jarnkrok although not a center but he is a 3rd liner signed as a free agent
So to obtain one just sign one of the many that become available every summer.
 
  • Like
Reactions: The Shadow
I feel like you're judge, jury, executioner on this. Definitely too passionate to respond to this thread and give an objective opinion. You speak of McCabe as though someone knew exactly that he was going to be a steady top 4 defenseman. There's a lot of hindsight analysis here.
I'm using hindsight because it's available - I didnt know Laugh that well, he was buried on Philly.

So far the trade is looking very bad, but it's still early days yet. Staying optimistic for the playoffs.
 
A lot of us didn't like Laughton when we were connected to him, the guy was playing LW and his underlying stats were God awful and he was going to be our 3C? I can remember saying if he isn't doing that job in Philly how's it going to work here?

He hasn't scored a goal for what? 20-25 games? I'm not asking for a goal a game but half a point a game seems fair and he's done nothing to suggest he's close to capable of that

There were plenty of guys available, with all kinds of different cap hits and abilities so you making up complete bull**** like we were expecting Sydney ******* Crosby because we didn't like or want Laughton when there were other options available is a joke
I'm surprised no one's punned up Laugh-ton jokes yet to be realistic here.
 
Value of a 3rd line center
Domi signed as a free agent
Kampf signed as a free agentt
Jarnkrok although not a center but he is a 3rd liner signed as a free agent
So to obtain one just sign one of the many that become available every summer.
So you're saying our 3rd and 4th lines are solid?
 
I'm here to defend Scott Laughton
Is this a new troll schtick? If so this is a good one....unlike Scott.

1646697745876.gif
 
So you're saying our 3rd and 4th lines are solid?
Lol, was that the question I replied to?
I’m saying what we got and paid a premium for can be obtained every summer for no loss of assets. Trading down from a 1st and a good prospect for a 4th and 6th and 1.5 million in cap space seems like we got robbed. But hey that’s just my opinion, to each his own.
 
Lol, was that the question I replied to?
I’m saying what we got and paid a premium for can be obtained every summer for no loss of assets. Trading down from a 1st and a good prospect for a 4th and 6th and 1.5 million in cap space seems like we got robbed. But hey that’s just my opinion, to each his own.
I don't know how you could include Grebenkin as a reference to "premium". Did you see something different when he achieved 0 goals and 0 points in the NHL?
 
I don't know how you could include Grebenkin as a reference to "premium". Did you see something different when he achieved 0 goals and 0 points in the NHL?
21 years old new to the country barely able to communicate. We’ll see but he can become at least a 3rd liner by the time he is 23, maybe even next year. I believe I stated he was a good prospect, not premium, so yes he is not an excellent prospect.

Oh and writing him off after 7 games, how did our new 3 liner do after 7 games?
 
Last edited:
So hard to believe anyone is even trying to defend this.

Everything is worthless except the first the Leafs gave away. There's no value in those other picks. The retention has some value for a cap strapped team if the underlying player was any good.

Too bad Laughton is a fourth line winger.

It's a real shame the GM couldn't add an impact player to boost a flawed top heavy roster. Instead of just pissing away picks and prospects for a chump who won't make a difference. There's little doubt he's in way over his head when it comes to being a wheeler dealer.

When Treliving enters a room to negotiate he has pens, papers, and calculators in his briefcase.

When the opposing party enters the room to negotiate with Treliving they have duct tape, zip ties, and vaseline in their's. It's like Treliving's whole bargaining strategy is to bend over and take it. This trade seems like a desperation move and the price paid reflects it.

There really is no defending this.
 

Ad

Ad