Confirmed with Link: Laughton 50 Retention A 4th and A 6th to the Leafs for A Conditional 2027 1st Round Pick and Nikita Grebenkin

[BertCorbeau]

You can see why Laughton was plan B

I’m still giving him time. The bottom 6 has been a revolving door of linemates with unclear role .. no consistency. Laughton isn’t that anchor to steady it but he can see be more effective if they find then fit linemates

 

[Confucius]

OMG now I know what a heart transplant looks like. Heart attack burger right there

Nah too many veggies on that thing, top layer is just lettuce and tomato.

 

[Stephen]

Did you predict that Laughton would struggle with the change of scenery? Do you know which player can arrive at a new team and fit in, and which one cannot?

His career high in goals is 18. Did you think that Tre foolishly thought Laughton would go on a 8 goal streak?

Fans here were going nuts because Laughton was a target, but I think they expected Tre was going to make a serious run for Crosby. I mean I suppose you can spend your days pretending there's no salary cap.

No, I predicted he would kinda suck and didn't want to overpay and would have preferred to keep the assets.

There's no sympathy for me on any kind of Laughton personal interest story here. Every NHLer in the league has a real life off the ice and a job on the ice.

 

[Stephen]

You can see why Laughton was plan B

I’m still giving him time. The bottom 6 has been a revolving door of linemates with unclear role .. no consistency. Laughton isn’t that anchor to steady it but he can see be more effective if they find then fit linemates

For me, he's a total write off and I would look to re-sell for a pick to have more ammunition come deadline '26. Tre got desperate and ripped off by Philadelphia. All the media rounds on Laughton being a great dude is just their way of softening the blow. He's like their version of the Daniel Winnik pump and dump the Leafs managed when they were rebuilding. Totally inflated junk asset.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

A lot of us didn't like Laughton when we were connected to him, the guy was playing LW and his underlying stats were God awful and he was going to be our 3C? I can remember saying if he isn't doing that job in Philly how's it going to work here?

He hasn't scored a goal for what? 20-25 games? I'm not asking for a goal a game but half a point a game seems fair and he's done nothing to suggest he's close to capable of that

There were plenty of guys available, with all kinds of different cap hits and abilities so you making up complete bull**** like we were expecting Sydney ******* Crosby because we didn't like or want Laughton when there were other options available is a joke

I'm being facetious. No one was hoping for Crosby on this board.

There is no one here who knows who was available, who Treliving really wanted, who won the bidding, which GM was willing to part with which player, etc.

Fans can be apprehensive of what player TOR trades for at the deadline.

There are facts that some fans seem to be throwing out the window:

1. Toronto are competing now.
2. Toronto has no cap room.
3. Toronto needs a 3rd line C.
4. A 3rd line C who's career high in goals is 18 can go through 20 game stretches of not scoring a goal.
5. Grebenkin played 7 NHL games with 0 goals and 0 points. In the AHL he had a whole 9 goals before the trade deadline.
6. What is the 2027 1st round pick going to look like? 20th overall? They're going to miss out on who?
7. Toronto got a 4th and a 6th in the deal.

Toronto has a ton of scouts. I'm not sure if they're good. Maybe they are OK. Which one of them knows how well a player is going to adjust to a new team? It drives me nuts that fans here think they should know this stuff. Or that Laughton happens to be human, and might struggle with the adjustment. It's too bad he's struggled, but fans act like he's been here struggling all season!

 

[Martin Skoula]

Every team, including the greats swing and miss from time to time. I am sure TB would love to have the Jeanott trade back.

This trade has started out awful for the Leafs, but if they somehow win the Cup in the next two years with him in the lineup it will be forgotten.

Always a chance Grebs and the first rounder pan out to be nothing as well.

Way too early to say the trade is a disaster, although not too early to think it was an overpay

Jeannot is one of the hardest hitters and best fighters in the league, he also put up 24 goals the season before getting traded and was 25. That’s not a crazy bet that you get a few prime Lucic seasons out of him as a 30 goal forward that’s a top 5 physical intimidation player in the league.

There is not a single player in the 100 year history of this league that would be even remotely afraid of Laughton hitting or fighting them, to say nothing of the 24 goals.

Overpay for guys that are elite at SOMETHING, enough of the vanilla Kerfoot clones for the love of god.

 

[Puckstuff]

No, I predicted he would kinda suck and didn't want to overpay and would have preferred to keep the assets.

There's no sympathy for me on any kind of Laughton personal interest story here. Every NHLer in the league has a real life off the ice and a job on the ice.

I don't like this trade but at the same time I didn't want to keep the assets.

I'm not sure if the Ducks would trade Ryan Strome, but going after a 3C like Ryan Strome and adding a RD like Luke Schenn would have made us a lot better imo.

Could a 1st + Minten really not have landed Strome? Could a rebuilding team like the Ducks seriously reject that big of an offer?

Then, they could’ve used the Laughton package or less to get Schenn.

Strome + Schenn > Carlo + Laughton.

That said, I'm perfectly content with Carlo. Carlo is obviously much better than Schenn, but Strome is miles ahead of Laughton.

 

[Stephen]

I don't like this trade but at the same time I didn't want to keep the assets.

I'm not sure if the Ducks would trade Ryan Strome, but going after a 3C like Ryan Strome and adding a RD like Luke Schenn would have made us a lot better imo.

Could a 1st + Minten really not have landed Strome? Could a rebuilding team like the Ducks seriously reject that big of an offer?

Then, they could’ve used the Laughton package or less to get Schenn.

Strome + Schenn > Carlo + Laughton.

That said, I'm perfectly content with Carlo. Carlo is obviously much better than Schenn, but Strome is miles ahead of Laughton.

In hindsight, maybe they could have just gotten something random like you said. Maybe a scorer like Brock Boeser even. We never score when the chips are down. Could have just added scoring touch. And we never seem to prioritize that at any trade deadline.

 

[arso40]

I don't like this trade but at the same time I didn't want to keep the assets.

I'm not sure if the Ducks would trade Ryan Strome, but going after a 3C like Ryan Strome and adding a RD like Luke Schenn would have made us a lot better imo.

Could a 1st + Minten really not have landed Strome? Could a rebuilding team like the Ducks seriously reject that big of an offer?

Then, they could’ve used the Laughton package or less to get Schenn.

Strome + Schenn > Carlo + Laughton.

That said, I'm perfectly content with Carlo. Carlo is obviously much better than Schenn, but Strome is miles ahead of Laughton.

Carlo is the smart add schenn wouldn’t have been

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Jeannot is one of the hardest hitters and best fighters in the league, he also put up 24 goals the season before getting traded and was 25. That’s not a crazy bet that you get a few prime Lucic seasons out of him as a 30 goal forward that’s a top 5 physical intimidation player in the league.

There is not a single player in the 100 year history of this league that would be even remotely afraid of Laughton hitting or fighting them, to say nothing of the 24 goals.

Overpay for guys that are elite at SOMETHING, enough of the vanilla Kerfoot clones for the love of god.

Yeah the Jeannot gamble is far more understandable than this Laughton one. Tanner is a legitimate heavyweight and played like it. The gamble that he could be a 20~ goal scorer with size wasn’t terrible given his age and Tampa’s success in developing NHL players.

Laughton’s intangibles aren’t enough to make up for his lack of everything else. Especially since it takes a while to mesh with a new team and he was apparently in tears when he learned he had to leave his precious Flyers organization.

Like if we were going to pay this price for a centre from Philadelphia I’d have rather we moved earlier and dealt for Frost. Similar build but at least he’s 5 years younger and has a chance of developing more offence. NHL Edge also has him as faster than Laughton, and the Athletic player cards have him at a similar defensive level to Laughton.

 

[Puckstuff]

Carlo is the smart add schenn wouldn’t have been

I agree Carlo is much, much better than Luke Schenn AINEC, but I'd take the downgrade from Carlo to Schenn, if it meant getting the upgrade from Laughton to Ryan Strome.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Carlo is the smart add schenn wouldn’t have been

The Carlo trade is fine, if not downright great. 1st plus Minten is a big price but Carlo is signed for two more years at a reduced cap hit. He’s a steady, big, right-handed defensive defenseman that filled an obvious need and has seamlessly fit in with few complaints. Certainly don’t see any articles or headlines about him boohooing after being dealt from Boston, a franchise I’d be more ticked about leaving than Philadelphia but whatever.

It’s easier to say goodbye to a charismatic prospect when the return is actually worth it. Grebenkin still being a character even on his way out makes Laughton’s moping and ineffectiveness all the worse.

 

[arso40]

I agree Carlo is much, much better than Luke Schenn AINEC, but I'd take the downgrade from Carlo to Schenn, if it meant getting the upgrade from Laughton to Ryan Strome.

That’s crazy town and too nearsighted not to mention he wouldn’t be playing with the same rielly we would be a worst team we don’t need offensive players worst comes to worst you sticc kampf in the 3c hole with Robertson and domi who cares but we needed to get the best available top 4 d we could rielly needs a babysitter bad

 

[Puckstuff]

That’s crazy town and too nearsighted not to mention he wouldn’t be playing with the same rielly we would be a worst team we don’t need offensive players worst comes to worst you sticc kampf in the 3c hole with Robertson and domi who cares but we needed to get the best available top 4 d we could rielly needs a babysitter bad

Well Laughton is a non factor right now and 3C is still a big need for this team, so for me it's Ryan Strome + Luke Schenn > Carlo alone.

I really like the Carlo trade though, I think he is a perfect fit, it's just I'd take Strome + Schenn together over Carlo.

A 3rd line of McMann-Strome-Nylander would have been ridiculous.

If they start using Laughton correctly on a line that works for him, then I probably change my view.

 

[Apex Predator]

He’s saving his goals for the playoffs.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I don't like this trade but at the same time I didn't want to keep the assets.

I'm not sure if the Ducks would trade Ryan Strome, but going after a 3C like Ryan Strome and adding a RD like Luke Schenn would have made us a lot better imo.

Could a 1st + Minten really not have landed Strome? Could a rebuilding team like the Ducks seriously reject that big of an offer?

Then, they could’ve used the Laughton package or less to get Schenn.

Strome + Schenn > Carlo + Laughton.

That said, I'm perfectly content with Carlo. Carlo is obviously much better than Schenn, but Strome is miles ahead of Laughton.

I don’t think it’s an either/or situation of Carlo and a legitimate 3C. If we accept that the 2026 1st + Minten are not useable assets, the 2027 1st + the likes of Grebenkin and/or Robertson should be enough to get a player like Strome and have the Ducks retain 50% (maybe involve a third team to retain more).

It doesn’t even have to be Strome. There’s lots of forwards in this league that could’ve been had for the price we paid for Scott and gotten more bang for our buck. That’s what makes this trade so frustrating. We paid a premium price for a not premium asset.

 

[Kiwi]

I agree Carlo is much, much better than Luke Schenn AINEC, but I'd take the downgrade from Carlo to Schenn, if it meant getting the upgrade from Laughton to Ryan Strome.

I'd much rather pay a high price for a guy who fits the team like a glove who also has a great cap hit for multiple years

I'd much rather do that than have Strome over Laughton, Laughton wasn't cheap either so if you used those assets maybe you could have gone after a top 6LW and a cheap 3C/4C type

 

[Puckstuff]

I don’t think it’s an either/or situation of Carlo and a legitimate 3C. If we accept that the 2026 1st + Minten are not useable assets, the 2027 1st + the likes of Grebenkin and/or Robertson should be enough to get a player like Strome and have the Ducks retain 50% (maybe involve a third team to retain more).

It doesn’t even have to be Strome. There’s lots of forwards in this league that could’ve been had for the price we paid for Scott and gotten more bang for our buck. That’s what makes this trade so frustrating. We paid a premium price for a not premium asset.

Even if they clear Jarnkrok and Kampf, they can't afford both Carlo and Strome on the cap. It's one or the other. And if the Ducks retain half, it's definitely costing Minten. Also I highly doubt the 2027 1st + Grebs/Robertson gets it done for 3 years of Strome anyways let alone the cap implications of fitting in both Strome (or a different high end 3c) and Carlo.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

One thing he does do is finish all his checks. Who knows? Maybe they are banking on Pacs coming back and those 2 play together and become a pretty tough line to play against.

They would be able to wear down some defensive pairings over the course of a series

I agree with you. I believe the intents is Laughton between Domi and Patches. We all know Roberson is not built for the tournament. Patches gives them the scoring touch for that line, plus he is big, mean and ornery.

Leaves a fourth line of Lorentz Kampf Holmberg. Homberg maybe cannot put the puck in the ocean, but he is a dog on a bone.

 

[stats1]

It’s been 9 games and all I’ve read online or seen in interviews is how great of a guy Laughton is and he’s a glue guy for a locker room. Also read how challenging it’s been for him. At some point here he’s gotta start doing something. If this is what we’re going to get in the playoffs and next season Tre might as well flip him in the summer to get a pick back. He’s been brutal to watch. I gave him a couple of games to adjust but now we’re like 9-10 games in. Time to wake the f up

 

[Nineteen67]

Isn’t he pretty much playing like he has all year? Maybe he’ll turn it on, or maybe that’s all he is.

 

[Jojalu]

Jeannot is one of the hardest hitters and best fighters in the league, he also put up 24 goals the season before getting traded and was 25. That’s not a crazy bet that you get a few prime Lucic seasons out of him as a 30 goal forward that’s a top 5 physical intimidation player in the league.

There is not a single player in the 100 year history of this league that would be even remotely afraid of Laughton hitting or fighting them, to say nothing of the 24 goals.

Overpay for guys that are elite at SOMETHING, enough of the vanilla Kerfoot clones for the love of god.

Laughton was known for hitting in Phi. I believe you are exaggerating a little.

I don't care for the price they paid but I am going to wait to see if he has any impact in the playoffs.

 

[Stephen]

Yeah the Jeannot gamble is far more understandable than this Laughton one. Tanner is a legitimate heavyweight and played like it. The gamble that he could be a 20~ goal scorer with size wasn’t terrible given his age and Tampa’s success in developing NHL players.

Laughton’s intangibles aren’t enough to make up for his lack of everything else. Especially since it takes a while to mesh with a new team and he was apparently in tears when he learned he had to leave his precious Flyers organization.

Like if we were going to pay this price for a centre from Philadelphia I’d have rather we moved earlier and dealt for Frost. Similar build but at least he’s 5 years younger and has a chance of developing more offence. NHL Edge also has him as faster than Laughton, and the Athletic player cards have him at a similar defensive level to Laughton.

Jeannot was a disaster for Tampa but he brought unique attributes worth the big swing on. Or at least justify the big swing. Laughton is a low upside player, high cost but somehow failing to deliver on his low upside.

The human interest angle kind of annoys me. I just don’t think I need the angle of a blue collar veteran player who comes in and can’t do a basic job because of having to adjust.

 

[Stephen]

Laughton was known for hitting in Phi. I believe you are exaggerating a little.

I don't care for the price they paid but I am going to wait to see if he has any impact in the playoffs.

Not a bruiser though. Closer to a Tyler Bertuzzi as an antagonist than a true heavy.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

Does this guy even wanna be here?