Latendresse benched again

[Sammy*]

Where do you see the words stupid and idiot coach in this thread? I do not know why Pokoluk made the team. If latendresse is so bad why did he not just select someone he had more faith in?

What dont you understand. In any tourney a few guys play very little. Do you suggest that they pick less guys for the team if they know a few guys wont play much.
And also, he's had his chances & obviously he played like crap in Sutters opinion. Its not like Sutter expected him to be a dog. If he did, he wouldnt have picked him.

 

[deandebean]

A coach who is undefeated in two years on the international scene is considered an idiot and a terrible coach. Only in Canada.

He's not a terrible coach. But he's just not my type. His type haven't won a lot of Cups in the past. Hard work is one thing, but Alger Arbour, his mentor I might add, knew one thing: you needed guys like Bossy when you wanted an important goal. Sutter is leaving a top notch scorer on the bench while is PP is struggling. That's just unacceptable.

The old mentality of rewarding players for the PP is passé, man. Since the Oiler days, the way of doing things is you send your best snipers on the ice.

 

[SwisshockeyAcademy]

What dont you understand. In any tourney a few guys play very little. Do you suggest that they pick less guys for the team if they know a few guys wont play much.
And also, he's had his chances & obviously he played like crap in Sutters opinion. Its not like Sutter expected him to be a dog. If he did, he wouldnt have picked him.

I am very used to all players having a role at this tourney, even if its a small one. Dixon was the 13th forward last year and was a lesser light amongst a pile of stars but he got time on the PK and some energy line shifts. I see latendresse being a PP guy and I think its valid. Sutter does not need my help coaching this team , I see an asset being underutilized and that is that.

 

[deandebean]

this guy is fat and out of shape, he came to camp near 240lbs, pretty fat for a 19 year old... he needs to play around the 215-220 range to be solid, or even less.

Actually, Guillaume is at his best at around 225-230. I saw this guy at a hockey rink this summer. He looks more like a 25 year old semi-pro hockey player than an 18 year old kid. Man, he's built like a truck.

 

[Phanuthier*]

He's not a terrible coach. But he's just not my type. His type haven't won a lot of Cups in the past. .

What the heck are you talking about?

In the past 3 years, Brent Sutter has a memorial cup and WJC gold medel.

The Sutter's are the most accomplished brothers in the history of the sport for a good reason. Brent is easily the best in junior hockey, Darryl just lead his team to the Stanley Cup finals, Ron and Duane are both pro scouts and Brian Sutter is a coach as well.

You don't get very far if you don't know how to win, and the Sutters know how to win.

 

[deandebean]

What's hurting Latendresse is his skating and reaction time. I've been to a couple of games and this tournament is all about skating. Some of the Euro teams may be a little light in some areas of the game but they can all skate. All teams are playing a puck pressure, transition game which is not up Latendresse's alley.

Latendresse is just not keeping up with the play and he is not coming back hard. Just looks confused out there. Makes an offensive play and then rather than keeping his feet moving tends to stop and starts watching the play. In comparison a player like Downie is always on the play and moving. Latendresse has no where near the necessary work ethic or intensity.

Fact is Sutter won't put up with this. This is not the time to allow a player to play himself into the tournament. You need, from your first to your last shift, to be on your game.

Saying Sutter has benched Latendresse because he is French Canadian shows the worst kind of myopia. It's contempible stereo-typing of Sutter because he happens to be from Western Canada. It makes you wonder about the future of Canada.

I agree 100 percent with your post. Great analysis. The only problem I have is this: why not AT LEAST one shift??? And on the PP, where the pressure is non-existent??? Schneider was giving rebounds galore. He had trouble with higher shots. Latendresse is a monster with high glove-side shots. Give him the puck on the PP. He will not disappoint.

 

[Sammy*]

He's not a terrible coach. But he's just not my type. His type haven't won a lot of Cups in the past. Hard work is one thing, but Alger Arbour, his mentor I might add, knew one thing: you needed guys like Bossy when you wanted an important goal. Sutter is leaving a top notch scorer on the bench while is PP is struggling. That's just unacceptable.

The old mentality of rewarding players for the PP is passé, man. Since the Oiler days, the way of doing things is you send your best snipers on the ice.

Most coaches are not of the view you reward a guy for being a dog.
And as a matter of fact, many coaches have won Cups with that credo. Bowman would bench guys, Tortaella, Burns, Robinson, even the Crow does it on occasion

 

[deandebean]

Here's a shocker, maybe Latendresse isn't as good as the pedatsol he was put on by some people?

I guess you haven't seen him play a lot, have you?

 

[deandebean]

Yep, his best game so far.
And even better , the idiot Sutter's coaching strategy got the only thing that matters (well, to many anyways), the big W.

I saw the game. It was a tie, don't you think otherwise. The score is a mirage.

 

[deandebean]

What the heck are you talking about?

In the past 3 years, Brent Sutter has a memorial cup and WJC gold medel.

The Sutter's are the most accomplished brothers in the history of the sport for a good reason. Brent is easily the best in junior hockey, Darryl just lead his team to the Stanley Cup finals, Ron and Duane are both pro scouts and Brian Sutter is a coach as well.

You don't get very far if you don't know how to win, and the Sutters know how to win.

Darryl led his team to the Cup, but who won? And with what type of players?

As for the Mem Cup, I give him that. He had a pretty solid lineup also.

As for the best coach thing, I differ. I think Benoit Groulx is the best coach. But it's just my opinion. He gets less coverage, but look at his overall stats since he's joined the Piques. The only thing he didn't do was to win the Mem Cup. But he went there twice, and with a pretty ordinary lineup I might add.

 

[Rise from the Ashes]

pisses me off so badly....... whats he trying to do here..

 

[Sammy*]

I saw the game. It was a tie, don't you think otherwise. The score is a mirage.

Whatever Latendresse. Thats all they had to do.
The sad thing is here, I get the impression that many Q/Latendresse fans would now like to see Canada lose,just because their favorite boy from their favorite league is not playing. At the very least, I can predict it now:
"Stupid Sutter, if only Latendreswse played. If he played , Canada would have won (actuallythey may have lost by more, who knows). They deserve to lose"
Sad. Pathetic.. But all likely true.

 

[deandebean]

Most coaches are not of the view you reward a guy for being a dog.
And as a matter of fact, many coaches have won Cups with that credo. Bowman would bench guys, Tortaella, Burns, Robinson, even the Crow does it on occasion

Bowman would never have benched Guy Lafleur. He would bench Mario Tremblay and that was it. In fact, he benched him for a complete game. Just like with Guillaume. But different players and, specially, different eras. Al Arbour never benched Bossy.

Tortorella benched Lecavalier and it did nothing. Absolutely nothing. You musn't know Lecavalier to think that it did him good. In fact, he still hates the guy's guts. Burns didn't win a cup by benching people. He did that with the softer players in Montreal, in Boston and in TO. But with the Devils, you saw a mellow Pat.
As for Robinson, he was a flake as a coach.

 

[Phanuthier*]

pisses me off so badly....... whats he trying to do here..

Repeat as WJC champion

 

[SwisshockeyAcademy]

What the heck are you talking about?

In the past 3 years, Brent Sutter has a memorial cup and WJC gold medel.

The Sutter's are the most accomplished brothers in the history of the sport for a good reason. Brent is easily the best in junior hockey, Darryl just lead his team to the Stanley Cup finals, Ron and Duane are both pro scouts and Brian Sutter is a coach as well.

You don't get very far if you don't know how to win, and the Sutters know how to win.

Hopefully you will not post this again. The Sutter brothers are respected by most- and I am in that group. I will not blindly kiss Brent's *** and worship his every move.

 

[Sammy*]

pisses me off so badly....... whats he trying to do here..

Ahhh,heres a newflash.
Win perhaps.

 

[Rise from the Ashes]

Ahhh,heres a newflash.
Win perhaps.

lol of course that but dammit seriously if i was guillaume right now id wana go home, id be freakin pissed, although he wasnt pissed and seemed fine..... brent must have discussed it with him before the game.

 

[Sammy*]

Bowman would never have benched Guy Lafleur. He would bench Mario Tremblay and that was it. In fact, he benched him for a complete game. Just like with Guillaume. But different players and, specially, different eras. Al Arbour never benched Bossy.

Tortorella benched Lecavalier and it did nothing. Absolutely nothing. You musn't know Lecavalier to think that it did him good. In fact, he still hates the guy's guts. Burns didn't win a cup by benching people. He did that with the softer players in Montreal, in Boston and in TO. But with the Devils, you saw a mellow Pat.
As for Robinson, he was a flake as a coach.

Lafleur got benched, Tortella helped make Lecalvier what he is today.
And mentioning the almighty Latendresse with those guys names is really quite amusing.

 

[SwisshockeyAcademy]

Whatever Latendresse. Thats all they had to do.
The sad thing is here, I get the impression that many Q/Latendresse fans would now like to see Canada lose,just because their favorite boy from their favorite league is not playing. At the very least, I can predict it now:
"Stupid Sutter, if only Latendreswse played. If he played , Canada would have won (actuallythey may have lost by more, who knows). They deserve to lose"
Sad. Pathetic.. But all likely true.

Come on. I am not even a fan of latendresse. I see our horse **** PP and a player that can help it. I am not cheering against Canada and it is ridiculous to assume otherwise.

 

[Phanuthier*]

Hopefully you will not post this again. The Sutter brothers are respected by most- and I am in that group. I will not blindly kiss Brent's *** and worship his every move.

He asked what the Sutter brothers know about winning

That's like asking what Scotty Bowman knows about hockey

 

[Phanuthier*]

Come on. I am not even a fan of latendresse. I see our horse **** PP and a player that can help it. I am not cheering against Canada and it is ridiculous to assume otherwise.

And putting a slumping player would automatically help?

 

[deandebean]

Whatever Latendresse. Thats all they had to do.
The sad thing is here, I get the impression that many Q/Latendresse fans would now like to see Canada lose,just because their favorite boy from their favorite league is not playing. At the very least, I can predict it now:
"Stupid Sutter, if only Latendreswse played. If he played , Canada would have won (actuallythey may have lost by more, who knows). They deserve to lose"
Sad. Pathetic.. But all likely true.

The problem is you see us as Latendresse lovers only. And you could be right. It's funny, though, that the subject has become the hottest topic of this board. Could it just be that the majority of the posters here think he's being treated like dirt?

If you've ever played hockey, you know that dressing up and not playing one shift is not only humiliating, but destroys your confidence. And athletes need their confidence like I need to sleep. Sutter musn't forget that he's there to win, but he's playing with careers here. I'm pretty sure that he'll get a call from Bob Gainey after the tournament, at least to inquire on his reasoning.

Do we want Canada to win? Of course. But what I saw tonight tells me that we should be bracing ourselves for the silver medal. Using the PP to reward pluckers in a short tournament is not the way to go.

Kessel played a bad game tonight. Yet, the US coach gave him some double shifts at the end. Why? It's called trying to score a goal on the PP. Hockey is all about special units in case you didn't notice. You win and you lose with them. 5 on 5 is now very overrated. Why not give yourself a chance? That's all we're saying.

 

[Phanuthier*]

I saw the game. It was a tie, don't you think otherwise. The score is a mirage.

But they still won

That's the long and short of it

 

[Phanuthier*]

Darryl led his team to the Cup, but who won? And with what type of players?

As for the Mem Cup, I give him that. He had a pretty solid lineup also.

As for the best coach thing, I differ. I think Benoit Groulx is the best coach. But it's just my opinion. He gets less coverage, but look at his overall stats since he's joined the Piques. The only thing he didn't do was to win the Mem Cup. But he went there twice, and with a pretty ordinary lineup I might add.

That doesn't matter. The Sutter's win. Period.

 

[deandebean]

Lafleur got benched, Tortella helped make Lecalvier what he is today.
And mentioning the almighty Latendresse with those guys names is really quite amusing.

Lafleur got benched by Lemaire, buddy. Not by Bowman. When he needed a goal, he sent Lafleur. Go ask Cherry.

As for Lecavalier, you know nothing. You know what the media tells you. Go ask Vinny yourself. Lecavalier is playing for his teammates, for himself. Not for his coach. In fact, Tortorella is in the doghouse with the majority of his stars.