Speculation: Larkin trade return

[Winger98]

Our defense before Ed was on the team full time was bottom 10 in the league. But now we're so deep that we can lose Ed and still have a good defense? I don't see it. ASP was only in the NHL as long as he was because the rest of the defense was so bad and there's no guarantee he's even good enough to start on the big club next season

I've pushed the Ed for Misa idea in the past, but I have a hard time seeing our blueline afterward, too. Like everything else this summer, it really depends what we get back for Larkin.

 

[Heaton]

I've pushed the Ed for Misa idea in the past, but I have a hard time seeing our blueline afterward, too. Like everything else this summer, it really depends what we get back for Larkin.

I think it all depends on the upgrade. I would've been fine with Ed for Quinn Hughes because the upgrade was substantial enough. If we're trading Ed we need to make sure we're getting back someone without a doubt worth the loss. Misa might be it, but you can't miss

 

[Winger98]

I think it all depends on the upgrade. I would've been fine with Ed for Quinn Hughes because the upgrade was substantial enough. If we're trading Ed we need to make sure we're getting back someone without a doubt worth the loss. Misa might be it, but you can't miss

I think the package matters. If we had dealt Ed, I'd hoped for multiple blue chips back because I figured that's the only way we're filling the holes we needed filled. Now, hopefully, the Larkin trade will do the heavy lifting on that front and it will change the math for maybe dealing a guy like Ed.

But I still don't like the idea of dealing ed+ and getting one piece back.

 

[dj4aces]

I am fine with sucking, unfortunately. I think back when Larkin was due for a new contract there was some debate about whether he’s the horse you ride. That debate is settled now, sadly. Whether it’s more on him or management is irrelevant, we should try to get value where we can and hope we land a swing within the Ed/Seider/Ray age group.

The question isn't whether you, I, or any other fan is fine with sucking for an extended period of time, though. If that's what has to happen, I'm fine with it too. The question is whether Stevie and Chris are fine with more years of sucking, and I'm not so sure they are. We'll find out as soon as we know the trade return.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

The question isn't whether you, I, or any other fan is fine with sucking for an extended period of time, though. If that's what has to happen, I'm fine with it too. The question is whether Stevie and Chris are fine with more years of sucking, and I'm not so sure they are. We'll find out as soon as we know the trade return.

Correct

But if they go for immediate/short-term help AND still suck, both men are finished and fans will be calling for change

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

You're leaning really hard on ep40 rebounding in that last scenario. I don't like it, either, but I'm also prepared to see it happen and hope for the best.

I can't believe we aren't going to pull at least one possible center back in the Larkin deal, though. Greedy me wants desnoyer and Iginla.

I don’t think he ever looks like his true former self, but I think he can still be better than he has been in the right environment.

 

[Oddbob]

No guarantee cause we got Faulk. I’d have started both Anton and asp and moved Faulk to the left side. I’m really high on both asp and Anton but I think it would be really dumb to get rid of edvinsson. Would have to be something crazy like trading him for #2 pick and getting stenberg and in other moves we also added simachev and solberg. Basically not happening

We lose edvinsson or seider and this defense and team are done

Can you name any team that full time plays a RHD on the left side when not due to injuries? I legit don't think any team wants or does this.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Can you name any team that full time plays a RHD on the left side when not due to injuries? I legit don't think any team wants or does this.

He’s played left side in his career. At his age I wouldn’t lose asp or Anton to keep him around

 

[Oddbob]

He’s played left side in his career. At his age I wouldn’t lose asp or Anton to keep him around

Not what I asked though. Teams don't play two righties together. I can't think of any regular pairs at all.

 

[Go Wings]

If Larkin agrees to Utah then to me this is a no brainer. Trade Larkin and Cossa there for Desnoyers and some other pieces.

 

[Chad Smiley]

I think it would be a huge mistake to try to get ready to play players right now. This roster is going nowhere right now. We’ll be right back to a tear down in 2 years if we go in this direction. EP40 is completely washed. You trade Larkin for a big time prospect or two,future picks and tank. That’s how you build a big time winner. The pretend contend is drafting 15th and going nowhere.

 

[Chad Smiley]

If Larkin agrees to Utah then to me this is a no brainer. Trade Larkin and Cossa there for Desnoyers and some other pieces.

Desnoyers,Simashev and two first round picks for Larkin and Cossa. I think that’s fair.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Edvinsson is untouchable. MO.

 

[Go Wings]

Desnoyers,Simashev and two first round picks for Larkin and Cossa. I think that’s fair.

I think that's a bit too much, maybe one first round pick.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Not what I asked though. Teams don't play two righties together. I can't think of any regular pairs at all.

Well I’m not gonna look through all the rosters but I know it’s happened before I don’t know how many games etc… injuries always happen during seasons as well. If we weren’t prepared for such a move the Faulk trade is even worse now when you consider we have asp and Anton

 

[Chad Smiley]

I think that's a bit too much, maybe one first round pick.

I think it’s very fair. Utah gets a good center with 5 years of term at a good price and a young goalie. Probably the hardest two positions to fill in the NHL.

 

[lilidk]

Larkin is a boarded line HF . It's a big question if he ever wins cup, but staying with Wings could probably have 71 number get retired. Yes it is Yzerman just like Holland fault wings in situation like that, but I just think Larkin didn't think through well.
I actually happy that he asked for a trade. This team needs new capitan and more good kids to build around Raymond and Seider.

 

[dj4aces]

Correct

But if they go for immediate/short-term help AND still suck, both men are finished and fans will be calling for change

No matter what we do, we're not gonna get a 70+pts center in return for our 70+pts center. There will be some level of growth and development required. The questions are:

a. How much growth and development, and
b. How long will that take?

This is the biggest reason why we need to see the return before we start posting yard sale signs and preparing for another ten year plan. I can only imagine guys like Kane, ADB, and others who are either on expiring contracts, or contracts that will expire soon, are wondering the same.

 

[Go Wings]

I think it’s very fair. Utah gets a good center with 5 years of term at a good price and a young goalie. Probably the hardest two positions to fill in the NHL.

You are expecting Utah to move the 6th overall pick in 2023, the 4th overall pick in 2025 and 2 first round picks? Yah you are living in a dream world and I will prove it.

Go onto the main trade rumours and post that in there and you will see what happens.

 

[acetehubernoob]

i assume this gets done at or just before the draft. next 2 weeks are going to be the longest of my life. get this asshat off my team

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

You are expecting Utah to move the 6th overall pick in 2023, the 4th overall pick in 2025 and 2 first round picks? Yah you are living in a dream world and I will prove it.

Go onto the main trade rumours and post that in there and you will see what happens.

Is that not what St Louis was asking for for Thomas? Four first round valued assets? I don’t think Larkin returns all of that, but I sure hope Yzerman gets something close.

 

[Oddbob]

Edvinsson is untouchable. MO.

For the right price I would move him. Not for Simashev though.

 

[Oddbob]

Larkin is a boarded line HF . It's a big question if he ever wins cup, but staying with Wings could probably have 71 number get retired. Yes it is Yzerman just like Holland fault wings in situation like that, but I just think Larkin didn't think through well.
I actually happy that he asked for a trade. This team needs new capitan and more good kids to build around Raymond and Seider.

Are you saying Larkin is a boarder line HOF? If that is what you are saying, I'm sorry Dylan is nowhere close to HOF, and nowhere close to having his jersey retired. Pavel and Hank haven't even been retired yet, and Dylan even if he stayed would have to do a lot to even get in that conversation. Dylan's stats aren't good enough and he has no hardware.

 

[dalem177]

I've stayed away from most of these threads because the churn is (understandably) ridiculous. But.

What if I've been wrong the whole time and it's been Larkin who has been the main problem. Does that change the math at all about whether you kick his ass to the curb and still push vs. going into a retool/rebuild?

 

[Henkka]

I am fine with sucking, unfortunately. I think back when Larkin was due for a new contract there was some debate about whether he’s the horse you ride. That debate is settled now, sadly. Whether it’s more on him or management is irrelevant, we should try to get value where we can and hope we land a swing within the Ed/Seider/Ray age group.

Still you guys won't get it. Tanking now, let's say for 2 years, does give us the next wave of promising 16-17 year olds.

The truth is, they won't fit on the Raymond- Seider timeline, who are 24-25 olds.

It's the same problem repeated as it was with Larkin (and Bert, Mantha, Hronek) core. Even bigger age gap.

The only solution is a trade-fest, getting better core pieces fitting to this current core timeline.