Player Discussion Lane Hutson: Part 3 - Calder Edition

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Watch him sign the Suzuki special for 3-4 years and cash in after that

Sometimes it's not all about the money and does he want the pressure already to be the highest paid player on the team ?

 

[Kojo]

I understand the strategy, Marty wanted to protect the 3-1 lead but Hutson would have scored an empty net goal if he was on the ice.

 

[Habitant#1]

Is it worth only signing Hutson for 6 years instead of 8, so that he's cheaper in the Habs' cup window?

 

[Frank Drebin]

Idk about that. Subban had his moments, and was a great player in his own right, but even at his best, he would try stupid spin-o-rama moves in transition and lose the puck, creating odd-man rushes for the opposing team, he’d take himself out of the play trying for a big hit, he’d take dumb penalties at the worst times, he’d constantly flop and dive and give opposing teams bulletin board material by saying dumb shit to the media, would chirp and run his mouth all game. He was very much a “double-edged sword” type of player.

Subban was very, very divisive among habs fans. I had half of this board that wanted to kill me after the trade.

There are no, or should be no mixed opinions on lane like there were with subban or like we have with slaf. Kids pure dynamite, i will fight anyone who says differently

 

[Garbageyuk]

Subban was very, very divisive among habs fans. I had half of this board that wanted to kill me after the trade.

There are no, or should be no mixed opinions on lane like there were with subban or like we have with slaf. Kids pure dynamite, i will fight anyone who says differently

Regarding Subban, despite his flaws, I was still a fan and didn’t like how some on the team did him dirty (Therrien, Bergevin, and the Mean Girls clique of Pacioretty, Desharnais, and Gallagher). At his peak, he was a better player than all those guys and always brought it in the playoffs, unlike them. The dude had balls, love him or hate him.

However, it was hard to be mad about the Big Trade because Weber was just great in MTL, and you knew he would be from the jump.

As for Hutson, he’s just different. He looks like an absolute superstar talent, which neither Weber nor Subban truly were.

 

[therocket9]

If Lane Hutson does not make USA olympic team for sure no medal.

 

[dcyhabs]

Hutson in 72 NHL games has as many points as Bedard this year in 72 games.

Hutson is a D. Is Lane Hutson Generational ?

Isn’t Hutson roughly two years older? I love Hutson, but I expect Bédard will have more points when he’s 21.

 

[dcyhabs]

Subban was very, very divisive among habs fans. I had half of this board that wanted to kill me after the trade.

There are no, or should be no mixed opinions on lane like there were with subban or like we have with slaf. Kids pure dynamite, i will fight anyone who says differently

The tough question is whether there would have been any division at all if Subban had been white. He’s shown some personality flaws lately, but that has to come, at least partially, from the way he was treated by coaches, fans, and some media.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

He’s already better than Subban, I was and am a huge Subban fan. Subby was a bigger goal scoring threat, but I can see Lane locking in at 15goals per season for the next decade or so.

He’s such a prolific playmaker that even without a howitzer of a shot his deception and ability to make plays will keep goalies off balance enough to score 12-15 per year. He has a decent shot anyway, but he prefer to look the d/forward off and dish. You can’t read Lane, unpredictability is what makes him so effective.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Subban only had ONE 60 points season and Hutson already passed that at his first season.

Yes. But keep in mind that when Subban was getting 60 points the scoring leader had like 83.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Idk about that. Subban had his moments, and was a great player in his own right, but even at his best, he would try stupid spin-o-rama moves in transition and lose the puck, creating odd-man rushes for the opposing team, he’d take himself out of the play trying for a big hit, he’d take dumb penalties at the worst times, he’d constantly flop and dive and give opposing teams bulletin board material by saying dumb shit to the media, would chirp and run his mouth all game. He was very much a “double-edged sword” type of player.

He was definitely different. But at his peak he was at least a top three blueliner in the league. He liked to showboat and it cost us sometimes but he was a hell of a player.

I think Hutson will be better. That’s saying a lot.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Yes. But keep in mind that when Subban was getting 60 points the scoring leader had like 83.

87... but checking the adjusted stats, the the difference was about -10% leaguewide so there was probably more spread than actual difference in scoring (WAS is at 275GF, and the best finished at 259 that year), Subban's 60 points season is only adjusted to 66. Benn's own adjusted is 97.

Hutson adjusted/prorated is at 68.

 

[cphabs]

He deked Cates so badly that he fell to the ice before his goal... What is incredible about this deke? It appeared to happen about 10 feet away when Lane deked him. f***ing unbelievable. Seriously.

 

[Scintillating10]

Hutson goal last night sealed the Calder for him. First Hab to win rookie of year since Ken Dryden in 1972.

 

[ExReHabs]

Idk about that. Subban had his moments, and was a great player in his own right, but even at his best, he would try stupid spin-o-rama moves in transition and lose the puck, creating odd-man rushes for the opposing team, he’d take himself out of the play trying for a big hit, he’d take dumb penalties at the worst times, he’d constantly flop and dive and give opposing teams bulletin board material by saying dumb shit to the media, would chirp and run his mouth all game. He was very much a “double-edged sword” type of player.

He very much tilted the ice with this skills and athleticism as Hutson tilts the ice with his skills and instincts.

Subban's bad moments were far fewer than his good moments -- you're making a false equivalence. Badly, at that. He was relied on to do a lot on the ice because of the under-skilled and generally bad team around him. Players who try things make more mistakes, Hutson will have many giveaways in his career too.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I felt later in his career subbans biggest strength was as a shutdown/pk guy.

He was a game breaker early in his career but not nearly at the level lane is today.

 

[ExReHabs]

He was a game breaker early in his career but not nearly at the level lane is today.

Therrien had the Habs playing a different, crappier way and Subban played behind a team whose best all-around forward was Plekanec and volume-shooter Max Pacioretty after him.

I don't see the point of disparaging Subban today to make Hutson seem better. I think both scratch the same itch in the same satisfying way: electrify the team and the crowd with their high-impact moments.

Subban's playoff performance was incredible and he played heavy, hard minutes without any problem. It's a bit strange that it's all forgotten now. Lane will have to show he can take 25m+ a night and look as good at the end of the game and OT as he does at the start. Lane obviously does a lot of other things great though. It would be very cool if he wins the Calder.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Therrien had the Habs playing a different, crappier way and Subban played behind a team whose best all-around forward was Plekanec and volume-shooter Max Pacioretty after him.

I don't see the point of disparaging Subban today to make Hutson seem better. I think both scratched the same itch in the same satisfying way: electrify the team and the crowd with their high-impact moments. Subban's playoff performance was incredible and he played heavy, hard minutes without any problem. It's a bit strange that it's all forgotten now.

Lane is the most exciting player I’ve ever seen in a habs uniform.

That’s not meant as a sleight against koivu, kovalev, subban or Suzuki

 

[ExReHabs]

Lane is the most exciting player I’ve ever seen in a habs uniform.

That’s not meant as a sleight against koivu, kovalev, subban or Suzuki

Hmm, I think I buy that actually. For me it has to be Subban and then Kovalev but Lane is already riiiiight up there. That goal off the his rush... the stuff of career retrospective highlight reels. This is what we fans want to see. Grind deez guys hockey is fine or whatever but we need some sugar and spice.

 

[Doctor Bold]

I thought this was interesting: currently, of the top 10 scoring dmen in the league, LH is 4th in both hits and blocked shots.

 

[Sorinth]

Is it worth only signing Hutson for 6 years instead of 8, so that he's cheaper in the Habs' cup window?

No, sign him for the full 8 years. Our window isn't limited to 6 years anyways.

 

[red devil]

 

[Garbageyuk]

He very much tilted the ice with this skills and athleticism as Hutson tilts the ice with his skills and instincts.

Subban's bad moments were far fewer than his good moments -- you're making a false equivalence. Badly, at that. He was relied on to do a lot on the ice because of the under-skilled and generally bad team around him. Players who try things make more mistakes, Hutson will have many giveaways in his career too.

How ironic. I never denied that he was still a net positive in terms of impact. I simply stated that even at his best, he did all the things mentioned with regularity. Maybe take the time to actually read what the person is saying instead of immediately jumping to conclusions based on your own preconceived notions and writing a paragraph based on that.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Lane is the most exciting player I’ve ever seen in a habs uniform.

That’s not meant as a sleight against koivu, kovalev, subban or Suzuki

I got to see Lafleur but it was the tail end of his career. Subban was electric. I think the one player I really loved watching was Richer. The man would come flying down and unleash one of the best shots ever. Without the mental health issues he'd have become a true superstar. Loved that guy. Price and Roy were amazing but goalies...

Hutson will be a superstar. I think he will exceed Subban. I'm not sure that he will hit the heights of Price. Price at one point was the best player in the league. That's a tall order. But Price wasn't able to stay healthy and God willing Hutson can. He may not hit those heights but I think he can exceed Price's career.

Beyond that, it's guys like Chelios, Roy, Lafleur...

It's going to be fun to watch.

 

[ExReHabs]

How ironic. I never denied that he was still a net positive in terms of impact. I simply stated that even at his best, he did all the things mentioned with regularity. Maybe take the time to actually read what the person is saying instead of immediately jumping to conclusions based on your own preconceived notions and writing a paragraph based on that.

No, your comment was clearly an attempt at exaggerating Subban’s problematic aspects and diminishing Subban’s reputation as a top player, hence: “false equivalence”.