Lane Hutson Burgeoning Star Watch

[Frank Drebin]

Huge bust
Should have just forfeited the pick

Lane Hutson?

More like..

Lane Bustson, amirite?

 

[Breakers]

It's been widely reported that they are in the market for a top 4 RHD, presumably to play with Hutson.

Now that we got out of the way, who do you think is available that fits the need and wouldn't cost an arm and a leg and is available? I'll wait.

Wouldn’t cost an arm and a leg
Ok who were some right shot defense with VASTLY better defensive games than Savard?
Sean Walker was 28, Tanev was out there, pesce

Should I remind me of Kovacevic? Wasn’t he a Hab? Big right shot, but damn that 4th rounder was so important.

Let’s ask devils fans about that pairing so far?
There seems to be a few devils fans in this thread seeing as they played last night…

Scrap that soegenthaler and Kovacevic are only top 10 in defensive metrics this season as a pairing.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. When I said sideways (and I explained it in my last post) I meant from east to west.

Again, you showed it yourself. The second and third frame is exactly what I'm referencing to. Hughes is skating from east to west with speed already while Hutson is skating south-north towards the NJ net. He's looking for a rebound (which Markstrom gave all night) and when the puck is turned over, Hutson has to break and turn while Hughes is already in full speed towards MTL zone.


No NHLer in Hutson spot could have catched up to Hughes. I don't get what's so hard to understand.

Shouldn’t give up chances when you’re down a goal

 

[Romang67]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. When I said sideways (and I explained it in my last post) I meant from east to west.

Again, you showed it yourself. The second and third frame is exactly what I'm referencing to. Hughes is skating from east to west with speed already while Hutson is skating south-north towards the NJ net. He's looking for a rebound (which Markstrom gave all night) and when the puck is turned over, Hutson has to break and turn while Hughes is already in full speed towards MTL zone.


No NHLer in Hutson spot could have catched up to Hughes. I don't get what's so hard to understand.

In between the second and third frame, when the shot has already been taken? Yes, Hughes is moving toward the corner which is where the puck was fired, while Hutson, for whatever reason, hasn't reacted to it yet.

The issue with Hutson's play on the goal is precisely that by frame 4, he has:

1. Taken himself out of position.
2. Not reacted quickly enough to the play moving in the opposite direction.
and
3. Made a bad turn and left himself with no momentum.

At that point, you're correct, no NHLer in Hutson's spot by frame 4 could catch up to Hughes. What you're wrong about is that it was unavoidable. Hutson put himself in that position.

 

[TBF1972]

I'm not a Devils fan. I don't watch Devils games unless they play the Habs. I don't care about the Devils at all. I specifically talked about yesterday game. Is it too hard to agree that he was awful yesterday?

but when fans of other teams state their opinion on hutson, it's i have seen every shift and eye test. go figure.

 

[Frank Drebin]

In between the second and third frame, when the shot has already been taken? Yes, Hughes is moving toward the corner which is where the puck was fired, while Hutson, for whatever reason, hasn't reacted to it yet.

The issue with Hutson's play on the goal is precisely that by frame 4, he has:

1. Taken himself out of position.
2. Not reacted quickly enough to the play moving in the opposite direction.
and
3. Made a bad turn and left himself with no momentum.

At that point, you're correct, no NHLer in Hutson's spot by frame 4 could catch up to Hughes. What you're wrong about is that it was unavoidable. Hutson put himself in that position.

His game last night must have been full of mistakes like that

 

[Romang67]

His game last night must have been full of mistakes like that

Maybe it was. I have no idea. I just don't understand this need to lie to oneself and others in the face of direct evidence to the contrary.

 

[Xirik]

In between the second and third frame, when the shot has already been taken? Yes, Hughes is moving toward the corner which is where the puck was fired, while Hutson, for whatever reason, hasn't reacted to it yet.

The issue with Hutson's play on the goal is precisely that by frame 4, he has:

1. Taken himself out of position.
2. Not reacted quickly enough to the play moving in the opposite direction.
and
3. Made a bad turn and left himself with no momentum.

At that point, you're correct, no NHLer in Hutson's spot by frame 4 could catch up to Hughes. What you're wrong about is that it was unavoidable. Hutson put himself in that position.

I understand Hutson's idea and it could have lead to an easy tap in, However he has to recognize how good the Devils are in transition and Jack Hughe's is on the ice who is one of the best speedsters in the game.

Being aware who is on the ice is probably hard for a rookie so it's understandable.

 

[Baksfamous112]

In between the second and third frame, when the shot has already been taken? Yes, Hughes is moving toward the corner which is where the puck was fired, while Hutson, for whatever reason, hasn't reacted to it yet.

The issue with Hutson's play on the goal is precisely that by frame 4, he has:

1. Taken himself out of position.
2. Not reacted quickly enough to the play moving in the opposite direction.
and
3. Made a bad turn and left himself with no momentum.

At that point, you're correct, no NHLer in Hutson's spot by frame 4 could catch up to Hughes. What you're wrong about is that it was unavoidable. Hutson put himself in that position.

His reaction time is almost instant from when we hear the puck hit the boards. Hughes had momentum as I think he was coming back to cover Hutson as no one took that assignment.

You could argue that Hutson could have come in with more speed/pace but again, if he’s coming faster than he’s shortening his window to receive a pass from Heinemen - Because if he’s too deep he’s effectively cutting down Heinemen passing lane and reaction time for a pass.

If he’s coming with more speed it also gives him less time to react to a rebound (path & speed) and it’s also more difficult to control a puck coming against you with speed. The faster he goes, the higher the chance the puck goes right through him.

But again, it’s not the type of details I would expect anyone to understand unless they played a somewhat high level of hockey in their life.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Frame by frame lmao

 

[Romang67]

His reaction time is almost instant from when we hear the puck hit the boards. Hughes had momentum as I think he was coming back to cover Hutson as no one took that assignment.

You could argue that Hutson could have come in with more speed/pace but again, if he’s coming faster than he’s shortening his window to receive a pass from Heinemen - Because if he’s too deep he’s effectively cutting down Heinemen passing lane and reaction time for a pass.

If he’s coming with more speed it also gives him less time to react to a rebound (path & speed) and it’s also more difficult to control a puck coming against you with speed. The faster he goes, the higher the chance the puck goes right through him.

But again, it’s not the type of details I would expect anyone to understand unless they played a somewhat high level of hockey in their life.

His reaction time is considerably slower than Hughes's on this play, and then he makes a bad turn and loses all his momentum. He also glides down beneath the hashmarks. He makes three mistakes that takes him out of the play.

It's fine to admit that the 20 year old who seems to have gotten the instructions to play like a riverboat gambler is making defensive mistakes that leads to goals against. Notice how every single thing you're stating in there is to optimize the chance that he will receive a pass or a rebound, and nothing you're considering takes into account what will happen if the rebound doesn't hit him or if his player misses the net? I'm sure that's how Hutson ended up taking himself completely out of position to be able to do anything about the ensuing 2 on 1.

We all get that you played hockey in your life. Shock and surprise, so did other people. I played in college, and I played at a high enough level when I was younger that a good number of my former teammates and opponents reached the NHL in some capacity. It's not impressive that you can erroneously assess the play and say that Hutson wasn't a big part in causing the goal against.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

What are you talking about?

I'm far from a Montreal fan and Huston truther, but I'm truly in disbelief that people are tryng to blame him for this goal against.

Was a very good decision by him to jump up into the play, the slot was wide open, and he should have been fed for an easy back door goal by either the LH or RH forward for MTL in that sequence. Instead the scrub MTL forward takes the shot himself and misses the dman net clears the puck for New Jersey causing an odd man rush the other way.

I mean, jesus christ...... Shouldn't be surprised though on this website. (And I'm not talking about you specifically, you just provided the video about a specific point being argued, I get that).

 

[Romang67]

I understand Hutson's idea and it could have lead to an easy tap in, However he has to recognize how good the Devils are in transition and Jack Hughe's is on the ice who is one of the best speedsters in the game.

Being aware who is on the ice is probably hard for a rookie so it's understandable.

I mean, I totally get what Hutson was thinking. What he was thinking was 100% focused on offense, and completely disregarded what would happen if the play turned.

Then the play turned, and Hutson was out of the play.

 

[Romang67]

I'm far from a Montreal fan and Huston truther, but I just can't believe people are tryng to blame Huston for this goal against.

Was a good decision by him to jump up into the play, miles of prime open ice, he should have been fed for an easy back door goal. Instead the scrub forward takes the shot himself and misses the dman net clears the puck for New Jersey.

Jesus christ.

When exactly do you think the scrub forward should have looked up, assessed the situation, and passed the puck? He reacts to a turnover in a bang-bang play and immediately fires the puck. Why would he assume that there would be a D-man down by the hashmark immediately following a turnover?

If he takes an extra split second to look up to the left, Hughes sweeps the puck away.

 

[bud12]

I would be bitter too if my 2ov and my 4ov looked worst and less promising than a 62ov player.

 

[Xirik]

I'm far from a Montreal fan and Huston truther, but I'm truly in disbelief that people are tryng to blame him for this goal against.

Was a very good decision by him to jump up into the play, the slot was wide open, and he should have been fed for an easy back door goal by either the LH or RH forward for MTL in that sequence. Instead the scrub MTL forward takes the shot himself and misses the dman net clears the puck for New Jersey causing an odd man rush the other way.

I mean, jesus christ...... Shouldn't be surprised though on this website. (And I'm not talking about you specifically, you just provided the video about a specific point being argued, I get that).

Fans hold players accountable to their mistakes even rookies, Nobody is calling him a bust.

Based on the posters I know, none of them are treating Hutson any different then they do their own favorite team's players.

 

[Raistlin]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. When I said sideways (and I explained it in my last post) I meant from east to west.

Again, you showed it yourself. The second and third frame is exactly what I'm referencing to. Hughes is skating from east to west with speed already while Hutson is skating south-north towards the NJ net. He's looking for a rebound (which Markstrom gave all night) and when the puck is turned over, Hutson has to break and turn while Hughes is already in full speed towards MTL zone.


No NHLer in Hutson spot could have catched up to Hughes. I don't get what's so hard to understand.

Since Hutson is being compared to quinn hughes a lot, and as a person that watch him every game, QHughes would either make a better effort in the backcheck, or wouldnt be beaten that badly in the other direction given their starting position.

 

[Romang67]

I would be bitter too if my 2ov and my 4ov looked worst and less promising than a 62ov player.

I'd caution against trying to make fun of other teams' draft picks when your team is coming off three straight bottom 5 finishes, and looks like the worst team in the league so far this season. I fear like there might be flaws in the Habs' scouting process as well.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

1 game isn't enough but 7 whole games settles it. can't say i agree with that either

How about the last 2 seasons?

He hit a bit of a wall halfway through the season last year, especially after everyone went down with injury and he was asked to be the team's #1D for the second half of the season. But these are still pretty solid numbers, especially for a rookie defenseman who scored 47 points.

In the last 2 seasons, his 5v5 close rel xGA/60 is -0.07, so he's been a marginally positive defensive player over his short career. Not a lot of young PMD can say that.

And he's been noticeably improved this year under a coach who actually emphasizes defensive structure, despite missing training camp after returning from injury.

 

[Baksfamous112]

His reaction time is considerably slower than Hughes's on this play, and then he makes a bad turn and loses all his momentum. He also glides down beneath the hashmarks. He makes three mistakes that takes him out of the play.

It's fine to admit that the 20 year old who seems to have gotten the instructions to play like a riverboat gambler is making defensive mistakes that leads to goals against. Notice how every single thing you're stating in there is to optimize the chance that he will receive a pass or a rebound, and nothing you're considering takes into account what will happen if the rebound doesn't hit him or if his player misses the net? I'm sure that's how Hutson ended up taking himself completely out of position to be able to do anything about the ensuing 2 on 1.

We all get that you played hockey in your life. Shock and surprise, so did other people. I played in college, and I played at a high enough level when I was younger that a good number of my former teammates and opponents reached the NHL in some capacity. It's not impressive that you can erroneously assess the play and say that Hutson wasn't a big part in causing the goal against.

Either Hutson commit to the play or he doesn't. As someone who claim to have played college hockey, you should know better. I can count 3 key (bad) play from Montreal players that led to that goal and none is Hutson's.

1) Heineman should have AT WORST hit the net/goalie. You have plenty of time to rip one out and you're supposed to be a sniper. The turnover is on him.

2) If anyone got beat on that play, it was Armia. Hughes was his assignment.

3) I have no idea what Struble was doing there. That awkward chicken dance was a sight to see. He should have realized that Armia was beat and should have gave the shot to Bratt and cut down the passing lane. He was in such an awkward position for no reason. That led to Hughes blowing past him and an easy pass for Bratt. Didn't even need a saucer.

I mean, I totally get what Hutson was thinking. What he was thinking was 100% focused on offense, and completely disregarded what would happen if the play turned.

Then the play turned, and Hutson was out of the play.

You're down 3-2 with 13 minutes left in the game and you think he should not commit to the play and hold back? Is that it?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

When exactly do you think the scrub forward should have looked up, assessed the situation, and passed the puck? He reacts to a turnover in a bang-bang play and immediately fires the puck. Why would he assume that there would be a D-man down by the hashmark immediately following a turnover?

If he takes an extra split second to look up to the left, Hughes sweeps the puck away.

Your assessment is all off. There was no 'turnover', it was a 50/50 dump in, that Montreal recovered, the right handed forward gets possession and passes Heineman that puck. Hutson has eyes on it the whole time and is reading the play.

If Heinemen had better awareness/vision he'd probably have more than 1 assist. Like it's really not at all a stretch to think or even expect an NHL player to make that pass over. By a one-touch, or just quicker execution.

But i do know for sure, that you can't miss the net there even if Hughes influences it. He has more than enough time as an NHL forward to either get a legit shot off or make the play to Hutson.

This is just ignorance of the nuances of the game and mob mentality on this website (again not specifically directed at you).

 

[dgibb10]

On the contrary, look at the play once again. That was the right call by Hutson. Not only did he gave Heineman an option for a pass but he's also in the right spot for a rebound - Which Markstrom gave all night long.

The tragedy here is a supposedly sniper A) Completely missing the net on a 15 footer shot with no screen whatsoever and B) Not even looking at his options - Hint hint to left as the whole left side is free of red Jersey and you have time.

"guys I promise it was the right call except for the part where it gave up a free goal the other way".

 

[Baksfamous112]

Since Hutson is being compared to quinn hughes a lot, and as a person that watch him every game, QHughes would either make a better effort in the backcheck, or wouldnt be beaten that badly in the other direction given their starting position.

I don't think they should be compared. His style of play is closer to Makar (without the speed and the shot) than he is to Hughes

"guys I promise it was the right call except for the part where it gave up a free goal the other way".

If your spreadsheet says otherwise then I agree with you.

 

[Fatass]

I mean, I totally get what Hutson was thinking. What he was thinking was 100% focused on offense, and completely disregarded what would happen if the play turned.

Then the play turned, and Hutson was out of the play.

No. Hutson absolutely made the right read there. The high forward didn’t track back soon enough. The game is super fast and some guys don’t process quickly enough. Not sure who #40 is on the Habs, but that’s the guy.

 

[dgibb10]

Your assessment is all off. There was no 'turnover', it was a 50/50 dump in, that Montreal recovered, the right handed forward gets possession and passes Heineman that puck. Huston, has eyes on it the whole time and is reading the play.

If Heinemen had better awareness/vision he'd probably have more than 1 assist. Like it's really not at all a stretch to think or even expect an NHL player to make that pass over. By a one-touch, or just quicker execution.

But i do know for sure, that you can't miss the net there even if Hughes influences it. He has more than enough time as an NHL forward to either get a legit shot off or make the play to Hutson.

This is just ignorance of the nuances of the game and mob mentality on this website (again not specifically directed at you).

The forward got the puck on his forehand in a prime shooting location.

You shoot that puck.

You do not look to see if your dman is cheating in.