New York Islanders: Lamoriello Contract Not Renewed; John Collins Searching for Next GM

[doublechili]

As it turns out, instead of talking about "journalism" we should've been putting money on Journalism.

 

[impaaaaaact]

if that somehow means Marner is an Islander come July 2 I am all for it. lol

I just imagine a Eiserman-Hagens-Marner first line but hell Marner probably would work well with Horvat as well(I go under the assumption if we can get Marner we probably would have to trade Barzal to clear up capspace, especially if we resign Dobson)

Wonder how much Marner gets now. Rantanen has the same amount of points as him over the last 5 years, but with probably like 50 more goals. He has a cup and is beasting in this playoffs while Marner is doing his usual "lead the leafs in points but everyone hates him for it" thing.

Ultimately, I bet Marner ends up getting more than Rantanen because he's headed to open market. It's probably gonna look like a real dumb comparison though

 

[impaaaaaact]

I could definitely see the top 5 as some combination of Schaefer/Desnoyers/Frondell/Misa/Martone.

I wonder if PHI would be interested in Dobson for 6th overall? They only have Drysdale as a young NHL RD and Bonk as a prospect. Ristolainen is 30...

Of course they could take Mrkta or trade down and try to do the same thing allowing Hagens to fall to Boston at #7. Hell, Boston might think Brady Martin is a better fit than Hagens for their brand of hockey and then all of the sudden Hagens joins Berniers/Wright/Catton/McCann/Tolvanen/Kakko/Kartye in Seattle.

I think PHI is taking a C no matter what. Someone is going to take Brady Martin way too high, and PHI is the kind of team that would do it. I could see Hagens really falling in this draft if Nashville doesn't take him.

 

[YearlyLottery]

As much as I want the Islanders to draft Schaefer ahead of Hagens it would be embarrassing for many GM's for him to fall much further than 3.

 

[scott99]

I think PHI is taking a C no matter what. Someone is going to take Brady Martin way too high, and PHI is the kind of team that would do it. I could see Hagens really falling in this draft if Nashville doesn't take him.

Martin is a helluva prospect, I would’ve had no problem drafting him when the Isles were at #10. He really showed out at the U18’s. And was good all year long.

 

[boredmale]

Wonder how much Marner gets now. Rantanen has the same amount of points as him over the last 5 years, but with probably like 50 more goals. He has a cup and is beasting in this playoffs while Marner is doing his usual "lead the leafs in points but everyone hates him for it" thing.

Ultimately, I bet Marner ends up getting more than Rantanen because he's headed to open market. It's probably gonna look like a real dumb comparison though

I do think the difference is Marner is a line driver where as Rantanen while he has his own great skillset(including size) was more a case benefitted playing with Nate MackInnon. Don't get me wrong he probably gets like 80 points playing with lesser players but still I am guessing his point totals decrease while in Dallas

 

[GM4Hire]

I think PHI is taking a C no matter what. Someone is going to take Brady Martin way too high, and PHI is the kind of team that would do it. I could see Hagens really falling in this draft if Nashville doesn't take him.

I see Brady at 7 he’s that good

 

[periferal]

POHO: Shanahan

So the guy who hired Lou is the guy we want replacing Lou...?

And let's not foget he also hired Dubas.

GM: Brandon Pridham

In fact maybe just nothing from the Maple Leafs. Honestly...What's good about that organization that you'd want on the Isles? No team has less resules from top draft picks than they do. They cannot identify the element of character when constructing a team.

AGM: Patrick Burke

Don't know anything about him, but seems like some decent buzz. If there's a good support system around him I'd be ok with a role, but not sure I'd want him to be the sole assistant GM. Maybe if there were multiple AGMs.

Something: Matt Martin

10000% yes. Don't let him leave.

 

[periferal]

if that somehow means Marner is an Islander come July 2 I am all for it. lol

I just imagine a Eiserman-Hagens-Marner first line but hell Marner probably would work well with Horvat as well(I go under the assumption if we can get Marner we probably would have to trade Barzal to clear up capspace, especially if we resign Dobson)

Are you kidding? Have you watched Marner play when it matters most (in the playoffs)??? Some moronic team is going to give that non-character non-clutch overrated player 12+ million a year which is insane.

 

[The Last Red]

So the guy who hired Lou is the guy we want replacing Lou...?

And let's not foget he also hired Dubas.



In fact maybe just nothing from the Maple Leafs. Honestly...What's good about that organization that you'd want on the Isles? No team has less resules from top draft picks than they do. They cannot identify the element of character when constructing a team.




Don't know anything about him, but seems like some decent buzz. If there's a good support system around him I'd be ok with a role, but not sure I'd want him to be the sole assistant GM. Maybe if there were multiple AGMs.






10000% yes. Don't let him leave.

 

[Lights911]

I wonder if Shanahan is a real possibility. Malkin would likely need to bring his wallet, I'd assume.

 

[doublechili]

So the guy who hired Lou is the guy we want replacing Lou...?

And let's not foget he also hired Dubas.



In fact maybe just nothing from the Maple Leafs. Honestly...What's good about that organization that you'd want on the Isles? No team has less resules from top draft picks than they do. They cannot identify the element of character when constructing a team.




Don't know anything about him, but seems like some decent buzz. If there's a good support system around him I'd be ok with a role, but not sure I'd want him to be the sole assistant GM. Maybe if there were multiple AGMs.






10000% yes. Don't let him leave.

You don't want guys because they're coming from Toronto.

Florida hired Bill Zito from Columbus.

Spin your way out of that one.

 

[seafoam]

I’m not sure I see the allure with Shanahan.

 

[Throttle]

I’m not sure I see the allure with Shanahan.

I mean, the guy with zero front office experience that hired a legendary GM to rebuild a franchise (I would say used), then when the table was set, move him out for boy not so wonder, whom misspent cap and picks and never moved the needle from where Lou left it, only for that squirrel to fool another team, the hire another GM that keeps the same coach, to finally start fixing the team/coach like 6 years later…

The only thing one can see about Shanahan is that he made the Toronto owners and broadcast holders A LOT of money with the puff and fluff team.

What is true though, is I don’t think fans ever threw jerseys on the ice while Lou was their GM.

 

[LeapOnOver]

I know that the conversation was from a couple days ago, but I just saw now.

If anyone doesn't see the difference between Staple of early Athletic days and Staple now, it's there if you look.

In the past he would readily say that he has no concrete information and he's just taking things to what he thinks is there logical conclusion, or what he gathers the sense is around the little bits of information he had.

He never prefaces anything anymore. He starts everything with "I've been told" or some other definitive lines and it ends up needing to be refuted or is nonsense. Whether he's doing that to purposefully shoot down his own ideas or force a response, who knows. But he's way more reckless than he used to be.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Well, this should be the week. Can't wait another 2 to see if something shakes off from Dallas.

Let's see who they pick. I still have my London Knights/Mark Hunter theory, but who knows anything. Fun fact though - a few players to come through the knights system: Brendan Shanahan, Bo Horvat... and Mitch Marner.

 

[GM4Hire]

Well, this should be the week. Can't wait another 2 to see if something shakes off from Dallas.

Let's see who they pick. I still have my London Knights/Mark Hunter theory, but who knows anything. Fun fact though - a few players to come through the knights system: Brendan Shanahan, Bo Horvat... and Mitch Marner.

I’d be certainly ok if that theory came through

 

[impaaaaaact]

I’d be certainly ok if that theory came through

The one thing that throws a wrench in the POHO Shanahan/GM Hunter theory is that that could have easily happened before, but Shanahan went with Dubas. There was some speculation that Hunter wanted to go back to London but who knows. Still, I can see it now...

- New GM Mark Hunter drafts the best player from his former league, Matthew Schaefer
- Hunter brings in a player he drafted both in the OHL as GM of the Knights, and in the NHL as GM of the Leafs. The best player in free agency, Mitch Marner
- Isles find a way to move up for the best player from Long Island, James Hagens

Ownership wants to put asses in the seats? That trifecta will do it.

 

[impaaaaaact]

I’m not sure I see the allure with Shanahan.

It's the name and the resumé. He spent 10 years as President of the biggest and most scrutinized team in hockey.

The team was a lottery team when he took it over, and then they made the playoffs for 8 years straight. Sure, they haven't gotten past the second round, but Isles ownership will definitely love that consistency. Of note, 7 of their 9 playoff losses were in game winner take all games, 5 of which coming against the Bruins or Panthers, and they haven't won one in that time. through a few different coaches, I personally read that as your best player (Matthews) not being able to clutch up but I'm sure there are other interpretations.

can't really see a way to spin him as a bad choice, and I certainly don't see any better ones available to us right now. I believe the leafs have the biggest front office in the league as well, and I don't think that was the case before Shanahan got there. I I think that getting Trotz off of a cup win maybe gave us some unrealistic expectations about who is out there when you need someone - generally teams retain the staff that brings them cups lolol. But compared to the other options available for POHO, which seem to be Bergevin and Kekalainen (who also both won nothing), Shanahan seems like a slam dunk.

 

[Isles72]

I wonder if Shanahan is a real possibility. Malkin would likely need to bring his wallet, I'd assume.

I think they'd love to hire a big name like Shanahan as POHO .

 

[PK Cronin]

It's the name and the resumé. He spent 10 years as President of the biggest and most scrutinized team in hockey.

The team was a lottery team when he took it over, and then they made the playoffs for 8 years straight. Sure, they haven't gotten past the second round, but Isles ownership will definitely love that consistency. Of note, 7 of their 9 playoff losses were in game winner take all games, 5 of which coming against the Bruins or Panthers, and they haven't won one in that time. through a few different coaches, I personally read that as your best player (Matthews) not being able to clutch up but I'm sure there are other interpretations.

can't really see a way to spin him as a bad choice, and I certainly don't see any better ones available to us right now. I believe the leafs have the biggest front office in the league as well, and I don't think that was the case before Shanahan got there. I I think that getting Trotz off of a cup win maybe gave us some unrealistic expectations about who is out there when you need someone - generally teams retain the staff that brings them cups lolol. But compared to the other options available for POHO, which seem to be Bergevin and Kekalainen (who also both won nothing), Shanahan seems like a slam dunk.

Matthews is a problem and we saw it during the Four Nations too. When the lights are the brightest he shrinks. He can score 60 goals in the regular season but then the end of each playoff round comes and he's a ghost.

 

[boredmale]

I’m not sure I see the allure with Shanahan.

I can't speak for others but the idea behind Shanahan is that it would help us sign Marner. Beyond that yeah I rather look elsewhere. lol

 

[PK Cronin]

I can't speak for others but the idea behind Shanahan is that it would help us sign Marner. Beyond that yeah I rather look elsewhere. lol

I think Martin's friendship with Marner would do more to get him interested than anything else (interested, not signed necessarily).

 

[boredmale]

I think Martin's friendship with Marner would do more to get him interested than anything else (interested, not signed necessarily).

While I agree with you, it doesn't hurt to attack him from as many angles as possible. All that being said I probably shouldn't get my hopes up Shanahan or not.

 

[JRD76]

I think Martin's friendship with Marner would do more to get him interested than anything else (interested, not signed necessarily).

After what Marner just went through, I could see Martin calling him up and saying "Hey bud, why don't you take a trip out to Long Island" and then show him the beautiful beaches, great golf courses and a trip to Manhattan then tell him it's a great place to live, great team to play for and no pressure like in Toronto, now go pack your bags.