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Our defense and goaltending is suspect at best. Hard for me to give Lalonde crap if we don't make the playoffs again.
Lol. All those teams gone on to win presidents trophy and titles within 2-3 years of him leaving. Lafreniere looked like a bust under him not someone who develops young players. You want an overhyped players coach to come in? Lol man I don't understand this place. Hartley has two jack Adams should we interview him too? Damn Bylsma has a ring but theirs a reason it took a decade before amnesia set into to make us forget how truly shit he was.He's either won or been a finalist for the Jack Adams at his 3 previous teams...
Were the teams that went on to greater success composed the same way when he was the coach? Or did their rosters improve to enable that success? Whatever way you slice it, he's been personally successful at his 3 previous teams, period. And since it seems to need mentioning, Gerard Gallant, Bob Hartley, and Dan Bylsma are three entirely different people. You're the one who brought up the latter two completely out of the blue. And Gallant was nominated for the Jack Adams in 2016, won in 2018, and nominated again in 2022. He's either won or been nominated for 1/3 of the last decade. Yet you bring up two coaches who haven't had success in a decade or more. Nice cherry-picking there.Lol. All those teams gone on to win presidents trophy and titles within 2-3 years of him leaving. Lafreniere looked like a bust under him not someone who develops young players. You want an overhyped players coach to come in? Lol man I don't understand this place. Hartley has two jack Adams should we interview him too? Damn Bylsma has a ring but theirs a reason it took a decade before amnesia set into to make us forget how truly shit he was.
How can someone dread hiring a career loser like gallant with the fear of our modern legend firing him .. what are these statements lol
We got the better player in Raymond. Dodged a bullet not getting the first pick in that draft. Stutzle would be the only player in would like ahead of razorWere the teams that went on to greater success composed the same way when he was the coach? Or did their rosters improve to enable that success? Whatever way you slice it, he's been personally successful at his 3 previous teams, period. And since it seems to need mentioning, Gerard Gallant, Bob Hartley, and Dan Bylsma are three entirely different people. You're the one who brought up the latter two completely out of the blue. And Gallant was nominated for the Jack Adams in 2016, won in 2018, and nominated again in 2022. He's either won or been nominated for 1/3 of the last decade. Yet you bring up two coaches who haven't had success in a decade or more. Nice cherry-picking there.
As far as Lafreniere is concerned, could it possibly be that he just needed a few years to find his identity and carve out a role for himself in the NHL? Surely not, it must be the coach's fault that a 19-20 year old didn't tear up the league. Give me a break. Lafreniere had a lacklustre rookie season as well, which was the year prior to Gallant taking over. Was that his fault too? Lafreniere went from 39 pts in 81 games in his D+3 under Gallant to 57 points in 82 games this past season in his D+4. Lucas Raymond went from 45 pts in 74 games in his D+3 to 72 pts in 82 games in his D+4, both under the same coach. Here's a newsflash for you, young players not named Crosby or McDavid need a few years to find their game. Mindblowing, I know.
But I guess that's the type of stuff that slips by when you rush to retort condescendingly like a 14 year old who forgot to take his ritalin.
Definitely thrilled with Raymond. And agreed about Stutzle. Though a career is a marathon and not a sprint, so wouldn't surprise me if Raymond ended up the better player in the end. I don't think he's hit his ceiling at 70 points. We're very fortunate to have him.We got the better player in Raymond. Dodged a bullet not getting the first pick in that draft. Stutzle would be the only player in would like ahead of razor
Definitely thrilled with Raymond. And agreed about Stutzle. Though a career is a marathon and not a sprint, so wouldn't surprise me if Raymond ended up the better player in the end. I don't think he's hit his ceiling at 70 points. We're very fortunate to have him.
My beef with Lalonde is that I didn't see him doing anything about it. The timeouts issue has been discussed at length, but it's kind of a microcosm of his coaching: sit there as a passenger and see if the players can figure out out themselves.Yeah, injuries happen and they need to be dealt with. The fact that it happened twice undercuts your argument. Larkin wasn't out for the first one. But if you're starting from the position that those losing streaks were acceptable and bound to happen, then I doubt there's anything I could say to convince you anyway. I expect more out of the coach than what I saw for 1/3 of the season.
Yeah I agree with this. Trying to be hands off and let the players figure it out themselves is fine for the first few games of a losing streak. If they manage to turn it around, it helps build character and reinforces the team's collective identity. But once it starts dragging on it has the opposite effect and just becomes a downward spiral. That's when the coach needs to actively step in and put a stop to it. The carrot and the stick.My beef with Lalonde is that I didn't see him doing anything about it. The timeouts issue has been discussed at length, but it's kind of a microcosm of his coaching: sit there as a passenger and see if the players can figure out out themselves.
When you give up multiple goals in short order, call a timeout. When you've already had a long losing streak and now you're 4-5 games into a second one, shake up the lineup or take other noticeable measures to try to address it.
This season felt like he didn't know how to respond to adversity in general.
Yeah I agree with this. Trying to be hands off and let the players figure it out themselves is fine for the first few games of a losing streak. If they manage to turn it around, it helps build character and reinforces the team's collective identity. But once it starts dragging on it has the opposite effect and just becomes a downward spiral. That's when the coach needs to actively step in and put a stop to it. The carrot and the stick.
Not that he would be my ideal choice for a coach necessarily, but guaranteed those losing streaks wouldn't have dragged on like they did if Tortorella was the coach.
No one wants to play for torts for a reason.
That wasn't the point. The point is that every team faces adversity at some point during the season, and part of the responsibilities of an NHL head coach is finding a way to stop the bleeding when things go pear-shaped.No one wants to play for torts for a reason.
The only reason I'd like stutzle over razor is because we desperately need a #1 center.
I like razor better though. His face doesn't look so punchable
I did say he wouldn't be my ideal choice, was only saying he wouldn't allow an extended slide like that.
But your claim would seem to fly in the face of available evidence, many players he's coached have been quite complimentary of him.
Tortorella: In the Words of His Players - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More
Former Blue Jackets coach John Tortorella, vilified by the media, beloved by his players.thehockeywriters.com
He's a fiery personality, no doubt. But he's never been an abusive coach ala Keenan or Babcock. He doesn't cross the line in that way. He has high expectations of his players but he's also shown on many occasions that he has their backs too.
He's an excellent coach in two respects: Maintaining a minimum baseline of play with his teams, and separating the wheat from the chaff. Because if any player doesn't like him because he makes them practice hard when they play poorly and has minimum expectations for two-way play, then that's a good indication to move on from that player because they don't have the attitude of a winner. Lack of commitment to improving their game and being a more responsible 200-foot player = lack of commitment to the team and its success.
That wasn't the point. The point is that every team faces adversity at some point during the season, and part of the responsibilities of an NHL head coach is finding a way to stop the bleeding when things go pear-shaped.
The Larkin disrespect is crazy. He's so much better than Stutzle
Then how does he lose the locker room after 2 seasons on every team he coaches?
It would seem these players respect him, especially after he's gone. Maybe even miss what he brought to the table, but in the moment after 2 seasons they become numb to his style
NHL head coaches have one of the highest turnover rates in major sports; their average tenure is currently 2.4 years.
That may be. He's not the right coach for this roster.I mean, I gave you a source so if you're going to make a claim like that you should back it up with something.
And even if you want to believe that, you should consider the following:
What Predicts Whether an NHL Coach Will Be Fired, And Whether It Matters
Edmonton Oilers coach Ralph Krueger was on vacation in Switzerland last June when Skype popped up with a contact request. It was from Craig MacTavish, who had b…fivethirtyeight.com
Tortorella was with Tampa for 7 seasons, the Rangers for 5 seasons, and the Blue Jackets for 6 seasons. Only Vancouver (1 season) and Philadelphia (2 seasons) were less than the average. Over the 5 teams he's coached over his career, he's had an average tenure of over 5 seasons, so he's outperforming the league average by more than double. Kinda hard to believe he spent 5 seasons in Tampa, 3 in NY, and 4 in Columbus with a "lost locker room".
Tortorella is an underrated coach.
Were you under the impression that's what I was arguing? I've said more than once now he wouldn't be my ideal pick.That may be. He's not the right coach for this roster.
Were the teams that went on to greater success composed the same way when he was the coach? Or did their rosters improve to enable that success? Whatever way you slice it, he's been personally successful at his 3 previous teams, period. And since it seems to need mentioning, Gerard Gallant, Bob Hartley, and Dan Bylsma are three entirely different people. You're the one who brought up the latter two completely out of the blue. And Gallant was nominated for the Jack Adams in 2016, won in 2018, and nominated again in 2022. He's either won or been nominated for 1/3 of the last decade. Yet you bring up two coaches who haven't had success in a decade or more. Nice cherry-picking there.
As far as Lafreniere is concerned, could it possibly be that he just needed a few years to find his identity and carve out a role for himself in the NHL? Surely not, it must be the coach's fault that a 19-20 year old didn't tear up the league. Give me a break. Lafreniere had a lacklustre rookie season as well, which was the year prior to Gallant taking over. Was that his fault too? Lafreniere went from 39 pts in 81 games in his D+3 under Gallant to 57 points in 82 games this past season in his D+4. Lucas Raymond went from 45 pts in 74 games in his D+3 to 72 pts in 82 games in his D+4, both under the same coach. Here's a newsflash for you, young players not named Crosby or McDavid need a few years to find their game. Mindblowing, I know.
But I guess that's the type of stuff that slips by when you rush to retort condescendingly like a 14 year old who forgot to take his ritalin.
I don't know what that's supposed to mean, either. But you certainly seem extra confused, considering it was an entirely different poster who said that...What kind of statement is I don't want gallant knowing Yzerman will have to fire him. The f*** is that supposed to even mean. Gallants a bum. Hopefully he's outta the league for good or far away from my team.
Lol. All those teams gone on to win presidents trophy and titles within 2-3 years of him leaving. Lafreniere looked like a bust under him not someone who develops young players. You want an overhyped players coach to come in? Lol man I don't understand this place. Hartley has two jack Adams should we interview him too? Damn Bylsma has a ring but theirs a reason it took a decade before amnesia set into to make us forget how truly shit he was.
How can someone dread hiring a career loser like gallant with the fear of our modern legend firing him .. what are these statements lol
We will know how fortunate we with Raymond after he signed his contract . McKinnon second contact was 7 years 6.3 per.Definitely thrilled with Raymond. And agreed about Stutzle. Though a career is a marathon and not a sprint, so wouldn't surprise me if Raymond ended up the better player in the end. I don't think he's hit his ceiling at 70 points. We're very fortunate to have him.