Confirmed Trade: [LAK/WPG] Pierre-Luc Dubois (signs 8 years, $8.5M AAV) for Gabe Vilardi, Alex Iafallo, Rasmus Kupari, 2024 2nd round pick

[BelovedIsles]

Looks like a good return, especially considering everyone knew he was going to be traded. Vilardi is a good one. He won't be a star, but his shot and goalscoring instincts are elite.

 

[MVP of West Hollywd]

This seems like a good trade for both sides. LA gets a championship caliber 2nd line center. Wpg gets young talent for player who wanted out.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Legit Top 6 centres don't come around often, 15 goal wingers are a dime a dozen. Bit of an overpayment, but I understand why LA does this all day.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Yes, and Vilardi's doing that with 300 less games played. That's over 3 seasons more of development, which is important for a 24 year old. Do you not think Vilardi can be at .7ppg pace or better in another season?

To your first point, Vilardi being outpaced in fewer games played is not good. PLD played younger, and with fewer development years.

If Vilardi is at .7ppg pace next year he'll be behind what PLD was at D+6 (0.75). I do think it's probable he gets .7ppg next year.

 

[Kennedys]

Looks like a good return, especially considering everyone knew he was going to be traded. Vilardi is a good one. He won't be a star, but his shot and goalscoring instincts are elite.

What the hell

 

[Shark Finn]

I'll give this one (1) yike.

 

[BelovedIsles]

What the hell

Huh, yeah he has a great shot and knows how to score.

 

[LeapOnOver]

To your first point, Vilardi being outpaced in fewer games played is not good. PLD played younger, and with fewer development years.

If Vilardi is at .7ppg pace next year he'll be behind what PLD was at D+6 (0.75). I do think it's probable he gets .7ppg next year.

So it would put him .05 behind. How much of a percentile is that? If Vilardi goes .7, or .75 at his D+6 would put them even in less games played. I think that could warrant Vilardi's ceiling to be considered higher than PLD. He wasn't even the only piece in the trade. Seems to have the potential to be a considerable loss on LA's end. Listen, I'm not saying the trade is terrible, but I still stand by the notion that Vilardi will eventually eclipse PLD in production and many intangibles like heart, effort, and leadership.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

So it would put him .05 behind. How much of a percentile is that? If Vilardi goes .7, or .75 at his D+6 would put them even in less games played. I think that could warrant Vilardi's ceiling to be considered higher than PLD. He wasn't even the only piece in the trade. Seems to have the potential to be a considerable loss on LA's end. Listen, I'm not saying the trade is terrible, but I still stand by the notion that Vilardi will eventually eclipse PLD in production and many intangibles like heart, effort, and leadership.

If Vilardi is .7ppg in his D+6 year it'd be well behind PLD's .86ppg D+6. He might eclipse him, I'm certain he'll be a productive player. It's unusual for a player to pick up runway after D+5/6, but it does happen.

 

[lomiller1]

Yes, and Vilardi's doing that with 300 less games played. That's over 3 seasons more of development, which is important for a 24 year old. Do you not think Vilardi can be at .7ppg pace or better in another season?

300 fewer games played for players close to the same age is also a big indicator of who's better.

 

[LeapOnOver]

If Vilardi is .7ppg in his D+6 year it'd be well behind PLD's .86ppg D+6. He might eclipse him, I'm certain he'll be a productive player. It's unusual for a player to pick up runway after D+5/6, but it does happen.

To your first point, Vilardi being outpaced in fewer games played is not good. PLD played younger, and with fewer development years.

If Vilardi is at .7ppg pace next year he'll be behind what PLD was at D+6 (0.75). I do think it's probable he gets .7ppg next year.

You are confusing me now. You wrote PLD was .76ppg on his D+6, but here you put .86ppg. I haven't looked it up, and could be an honest mistake. Just curious which one it is or what I may be misreading.

300 fewer games played for players close to the same age is also a big indicator of who's better.

Not really...could just be injuries. Beauvillier got a one season headstart on his career over Mat Barzal, and it's pretty unanimous who the better player is there. Factor in Vilardi's injuries.. jury is still out.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

One poster does not represent the entire fanbase. Perhaps you are too sensitive to be on these boards?

It was a small number of fans leading the charge by posting dozens of times a day for weeks at a time. But they weren't alone. The total number of Habs and neutral fans telling Jets fans that everything was a done deal and that Dubois would only sign in MTl therefore he was going there and for less than market value was quite large. The thread would get closed a few weeks would go by and then a new thread would start and all the same people /numbers would pile back on. Like everything in life and online boards the truth lies somewhere in between the proposed narratives.

 

[2-4 Slashin]

That could be it.

I’m pretty positive you’ve hit pay dirt. I think he was still sour about the Center to winger transition and after only 1 decent season, I believe he was looking for more term & money than that season warranted. He’s a smug young man and I loved that about him, but it can also be an issue when he already feels he deserves more after 1/2 of a good season.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

You are confusing me now. You wrote PLD was .76ppg on his D+6, but here you put .86ppg. I haven't looked it up, and could be an honest mistake. Just curious which one it is or what I may be misreading.


Not really...could just be injuries. Beauvillier got a one season headstart on his career over Mat Barzal, and it's pretty unanimous who the better player is there. Factor in Vilardi's injuries.. jury is still out.

Yeah I think it was a typo:

PLD
D+2 thru D+5 .63
D+6 (2021-22) .74
D+7 (2022-23) .86

Vilardi
D+3 thru D+5 .41
D+6 (2022-23) .65
D+7 (2023-24) ???

By the same point in their careers as PLD & Vilardi are the difference between Barzal & Beauvillier was well apparent. That's the point. It certainly could work out that Vilardi becomes the better player, but it would be bucking long term trends in player development.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

1K ass comments for a mediocre trade, NHL fans apparently starving for noise.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

PLD would have been nice when the thought was he’d force the Jets hand and we’d be able to get him for a good price.

Bottom line is this was an overpay and Habs were never going to match that.

What would be the equivalent, Dach and a 1st? Not sure I’d give Dach for PLD straight up considering contracts.

 

[Kennedys]

Huh, yeah he has a great shot and knows how to score.

You used the word elite. Someone with ELITE shot/goalscoring ability not being a star... humm. He's a star or his shot/goalscoring ability are not ELITE. Pick one

 

[summer tooth]

Pretty much a win for everyone -- PLD happy to finally go where he always wanted.

 

[Gurglesons]

Apparently Gabe Vilardi is the most overrated player in the NHL based on the takes on this trade.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

I'm glad this guy finally got traded AGAIN and is locked up for 8 years. Dubois is a good player and the Kings are looking better with him. I feel like unless Villardi's game hits another level and that 2nd round pick gets them a good piece to build around that the Jets got a pretty weak return. Kupari isn't really developing too well. This trade would make more sense if the Jets were really doing a proper rebuild even than this would still be an underwhelming return without a better draft pick or prospect coming their way.

Winnipeg has some real annoying players they need to move on from. Dubois is gone and Wheeler is getting bought out supposedly. Schieffle next. Send Helleybuck to a contender. Get big returns on those 2 players and tear it down in Winnipeg.

 

[Hobble]

Apparently Gabe Vilardi is the most overrated player in the NHL based on the takes on this trade.

Probably tied with Dach.

 

[Gurglesons]

Probably tied with Dach.

I dig Shayna Goldman, but she made a comment in the Athletic rating about Vilardi being a player the next wave of Jets can be built around.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

PLD would have been nice when the thought was he’d force the Jets hand and we’d be able to get him for a good price.

Bottom line is this was an overpay and Habs were never going to match that.

What would be the equivalent, Dach and a 1st? Not sure I’d give Dach for PLD straight up considering contracts.

This wasn't an overpay. They got a low end 1st line player for basically Villardi and a 2nd. I doubt Villardi is ever as good as Dubois alone. I don't know much about Kupari but he has underwhelming numbers for a former top 10 pick. Really is the 2nd round pick that might be an X factor in this stacked draft year. Also the Kings have Dubois signed for 8 years through his prime. The fact that Winnipeg didn't get a 1st round pick or blue chip prospect for this deal is pretty wild.

 

[Herby]

I think trading Vilardi has more to do with his contract demands than it does for the caliber of player he's returning.

A lot of Kings fans were convinced he was going to take a bridge deal, but for a player who nearly lost his career to injury it made no sense for Vilardi to not get every dime possible coming off what has been a career year.

Vilardi produced solid numbers for the Kings on what was basically a 1 year extension of his ELC, he really didn’t owe the Kings anything in this negotiation.

 

[Atoyot]

1K ass comments for a mediocre trade, NHL fans apparently starving for noise.

Careful with that edge, don't wanna cut yourself.