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kingsfan28 said:
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kingsfan28 said:
What short memories they have. Who was it that skated to center ice and slid on their knees after scoring a tying goal in game 53 like they won the cup...an Oiler!
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When Yakupov does the slide, it's great for the game.

When Doughty does a yell and fist pump, it's an embarrassment.

I think the answer is clear...to make people like us, we need some over the top goal celebrations!
 
scryan said:
Where are the sensors placed, what kind of sensor, and what sensitivity/accuracy can be expected from them?

Placed at the goal line... How is height determined? The sensors will only really be reading distance, so when your 1.59 inches away.... How do we determine what height the puck was at, and if it was 1.59 inches directly above vs on the ice 1.59inches back...

If you use sensors in the posts... You have nearly 2 feet to the puck in the middle of the goal, meaning the distance you read looses accuracy REAL quick. 2 feet over and 1.59 inches back gives a sensor reading of 24.05 inches back, meaning you need to read within 50 thousandths of an inch to do this, about the thickness of 12 human hairs.

Don't just say "its totally doable"
Explain how you would do it... Because the guys that do do it, don't seem to think its that doable, given that it isn't being done.
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A system already exists for tracking pucks. That's right, the Fox glowing puck. The puck has an embedded infrared emitter that can be detected by cameras to track the location of the puck. Instead of putting cameras all over the stadium, you can put smaller cameras under the ice or on the goal itself. All you need is 4 cameras around each goal area to clearly locate the puck. Given at least three detection points and directions, all you need is geometry to calculate the 3 dimensional location of the puck. How accurate do you need to be? A tenth of an inch, or .25 millimeters, is probably good enough. All I wanna know is is the center of the puck 1.6 inches past the goal plane. Is that achievable? I don't know. I'm not an electrical engineer. Considering that the technology was developed almost two decades ago, probably. You can read all about the technology here:

http://ethw.org/First-Hand:Recollec...nt_of_the_FoxTrax_hockey_puck_tracking_system

You can even fit an accelerometer and a gyroscope in a 1 cm square space now. They're in your smartphone right now. You're telling me that determining the location and orientation of a puck can't be done? Somebody can probably tell you the location and orientation of your smartphone from 1000 miles away right now if you let them.

Your statement that it's not being done because it's not doable doesn't make a lot of sense to me. How do you know that the NHL has even looked into doing this?

The best reason I see here is that there aren't enough inconclusive goals (10 in >1200 games), so it's not worth the cost. I get that. Considering that those 10 goals can affect the fortunes of up to 20 teams, maybe they make the difference between a team making the playoffs or not. If that's an acceptable outcome for the league, then sure, don't bother looking into it. All I'm saying is the technology is probably out there, and it would put some of this to rest.

There. I'm done with this.
 
The impact is way overplayed. You play 82 games in a season. You play 7 games in a series. There's plenty of places you can find points/wins if you lose.
 
Brad Doty said:
When Yakupov does the slide, it's great for the game.

When Doughty does a yell and fist pump, it's an embarrassment.

I think the answer is clear...to make people like us, we need some over the top goal celebrations!
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**** 'em all. I want Bettman calling the Kings a parallel dynasty to the Blackhawks come June at Staples. That will really piss them off.
 
Not gonna lie, I'm starting to take great satisfaction in Doughty being a pumped-up *******. Troll to the extreme. May as well embrace the villain role if you're going to have to wear it for no reason.
 
Brad Doty said:
Not gonna lie, I'm starting to take great satisfaction in Doughty being a pumped-up *******. Troll to the extreme. May as well embrace the villain role if you're going to have to wear it for no reason.
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That celebration was definitely an F YOU Oilers and fans type exuberance. It's funny when people say it was like "winning the Stanley Cup". I guess those posters haven't actually watched a Cup celebration before or something.
 
cyclones22 said:
LOL that was great. It's hilarious that they're just trying to find any way to get on Doughty for that. Yeah, Drew. Win something before celebrating like that. Kid never has accomplished anything /s. The best part is they'll be worshipping the ground he walks on when he dons the Team Canada colors in the next Olympics.
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I am going to name my son Drew.
 
lumbergh said:
A system already exists for tracking pucks. That's right, the Fox glowing puck. The puck has an embedded infrared emitter that can be detected by cameras to track the location of the puck. Instead of putting cameras all over the stadium, you can put smaller cameras under the ice or on the goal itself. All you need is 4 cameras around each goal area to clearly locate the puck. Given at least three detection points and directions, all you need is geometry to calculate the 3 dimensional location of the puck. How accurate do you need to be? A tenth of an inch, or .25 millimeters, is probably good enough. All I wanna know is is the center of the puck 1.6 inches past the goal plane. Is that achievable? I don't know. I'm not an electrical engineer. Considering that the technology was developed almost two decades ago, probably. You can read all about the technology here:

http://ethw.org/First-Hand:Recollec...nt_of_the_FoxTrax_hockey_puck_tracking_system

You can even fit an accelerometer and a gyroscope in a 1 cm square space now. They're in your smartphone right now. You're telling me that determining the location and orientation of a puck can't be done? Somebody can probably tell you the location and orientation of your smartphone from 1000 miles away right now if you let them.

Your statement that it's not being done because it's not doable doesn't make a lot of sense to me. How do you know that the NHL has even looked into doing this?

The best reason I see here is that there aren't enough inconclusive goals (10 in >1200 games), so it's not worth the cost. I get that. Considering that those 10 goals can affect the fortunes of up to 20 teams, maybe they make the difference between a team making the playoffs or not. If that's an acceptable outcome for the league, then sure, don't bother looking into it. All I'm saying is the technology is probably out there, and it would put some of this to rest.

There. I'm done with this.
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did you really just used the fox puck, which was tracked on a flat screen and simply had a glowing streak superimposed over a single point on a 2d image? It didn't track the puck... It had ir emitters in the puck so that it showed up as a point a fuzz could be put over... It wouldn't have determined where the puck was in 3d space at all, and it barely located the puck within an inch.

An accelerometer does NOTHING to track the orientation of a puck that is bouncing or being hit, or accelerated by anything other than the force of gravity, because all it can do is measure the net force applied to it, it cannot distinguish other impacts from gravity... When the puck strikes the ice in its view the world turns upside down, and the earth gets 10 times bigger.

Jesus.
 
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