LAK 2 MIN 1 - **** it Dude, let's go bowling.

[KingCanadain1976]

Wasn't impressed with AA during the pre season or regular either,still trying to figure out why he is taking up space.

Hes our best answer to needing someone to fight. Clifford and Nolan while both capable of fighting we are better off when they don't concussion issues.

 

[HYORI 1963]

I agree clifford and nolan aren't ivanans and Zeiler however i think Weal would be better off with pearson and lewis. I would think you can see that weal is a offensive player and out 4th line is supposed to be more of a physical force. With andy out there clifford doesn't have to be the fighter and with his concussion issues i don't want to see him fight Aa can Shore as our 4th center at least would have the size to play more physical then Weal. Shore did a great job with clifford and nolan when he played there last year Not sure why it has been split up. to be honest. However i like andy there as well better fits then Weal who needs betters linemate to be effective to me.

Hey, I have no problem with Weal playing 3C. However, clearly DS prefers Shore. So, while I agree that Weal would be a better 3C, and Shore a better 4C, the only way both get to see any time out on the ice is if Andreoff is a HS, which was the initial point of our discussion.

And I don't need AA fighting on behalf of Clifford. Clifford's a big boy, he can do his own fights. Probably a better fighter than AA.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

f*** the need to fight. Ice the best lineup.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Hey, I have no problem with Weal playing 3C. However, clearly DS prefers Shore. So, while I agree that Weal would be a better 3C, and Shore a better 4C, the only way both get to see any time out on the ice is if Andreoff is a HS, which was the initial point of our discussion.

And I don't need AA fighting on behalf of Clifford. Clifford's a big boy, he can do his own fights. Probably a better fighter than AA.

I honestly don't see where Weal fits. He needs to play top 6 mins. and hes not going to displace anyone there Brown lucic pearson gaborik toffoli carter kopitar all better suited. Hes not physical enough for bottom 6 Hes this years vey. Trade him while he still has value to another team. Putting him on 4th line is trying to put a square peg in a round hole It just doesnt fit right .

I can't disagree more with you on aa fighting for clifford Clifford is a big boy yes but hes got what at least 4 concussion ( someone help me out as im not positive) if not more In order to keep playing clifford needs to stop fighting as much and AA is the better fighter imo especially lately

 

[cali101]

i think weal would be fine on the 4th line IF you put on good/experienced defense with that line. otherwise i agree that shore should be 4th line centre and weal 3rd. but sutter seems to be in love with shore.

**** the need to fight. Ice the best lineup.

yep...especially because the game is heading in speed/skill direction.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I honestly don't see where Weal fits. He needs to play top 6 mins. and hes not going to displace anyone there Brown lucic pearson gaborik toffoli carter kopitar all better suited. Hes not physical enough for bottom 6 Hes this years vey. Trade him while he still has value to another team. Putting him on 4th line is trying to put a square peg in a round hole It just doesnt fit right .

I can't disagree more with you on aa fighting for clifford Clifford is a big boy yes but hes got what at least 4 concussion ( someone help me out as im not positive) if not more In order to keep playing clifford needs to stop fighting as much and AA is the better fighter imo especially lately

This is totally baseless. How many NHL games has he played for you to make this conclusion? Most of the reason Weal impressed management had to do with his play under pressure and physical, run-you-out-of-the-building checking. He's talented, but not some uber-talent, he's here because as DL said, he won't quit. That tenacity goes a long way.

Give the guy a chance before you bury him. I agree that he's better suited to 3C than 4C, but we also said that about Shore and he looked fantastic on 4C too.

It looks to me like Sutter is content to let them all battle it out so I think we should wait and see how they do in more game action. I mean, it's one thing to criticize the vets relative to their past play, it's quite another to want to nuke an NHL rookie.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

some fun facts about shores fo% vs andys fo%

shore game 1 50%
2 73.2 %
3 36.36%
4 30 %

andy game 2 60%
3 50%
4 33%

Seems pretty close to me This is to say its not a wide of a difference in the dot as everyone thinks

 

[HYORI 1963]

You put too much emphasis on fighting and faceoffs.

 

[cali101]

what should we emphasize in a centre?
surely face-offs do matter.

but yeah i agree insofar as PLAY-MAKING is more important.

 

[Ron*]

Wasn't impressed with AA during the pre season or regular either,still trying to figure out why he is taking up space.

All he's done is fight.

Going to have to disagree with both of you, AA looked particularly good in the possession and forecheck last night.

I guess I got a different perspective than what you see on TV because I get to see the whole ice and kind of hone in on certain players. I thought the fourth line had a great first period and got additional ice time because of it...they were good in the second but man that third period they sucked horribly. As I said above, I am perplexed as to why Sutter continues to go with the fourth line so much in the last period, when one would hope he would taper their minutes as the game moves on.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

This is totally baseless. How many NHL games has he played for you to make this conclusion? Most of the reason Weal impressed management had to do with his play under pressure and physical, run-you-out-of-the-building checking. He's talented, but not some uber-talent, he's here because as DL said, he won't quit. That tenacity goes a long way.

Give the guy a chance before you bury him. I agree that he's better suited to 3C than 4C, but we also said that about Shore and he looked fantastic on 4C too.

It looks to me like Sutter is content to let them all battle it out so I think we should wait and see how they do in more game action. I mean, it's one thing to criticize the vets relative to their past play, it's quite another to want to nuke an NHL rookie.

i watched his preseason and his 7 13 secs against a coyotes while i agree its not a be all and end all evaluation I will stick to my gun and wait to be proven wrong. He will not make any difference playing this many mins He needs more mins and he won't get them playing with clifford and nolan If your playing him you have to put him with pearson and lewis at the min.

I never said anything to shore on the 4th line as i liked him there a lot more then the 3rd. I still say lewis is our best choice for 3 c. I think i have a solution thou that may work for everyone. I would like to see pearson shore weal as the 3rd line and lewis moves to 4th with clifford and nolan. I think that makes everyone happy. As i have stated elsewhere Weal is being set up to fail playing in bottom 6 especially 4c

 

[KingCanadain1976]

You put too much emphasis on fighting and faceoffs.

playing physical is our teams identity and winning fos helps us on possession stats but your entitled to say what you want. thats what makes this board work

 

[cali101]

that'd be interesting ^ those combos...
but it ain't happening. i can't see sutter doing it.

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

and Andy has played more then shore bs last i looked it was 21 games ( 3 this year) andy vs shore 38 4 this year. So lets get off the shore hasn't played and making it sound like andy has right now because it ain't true. Also take a look at avg mins a game and it will tell you Shore gets more mins. Shore made one play the tip in goal thats it thats all Hes been on the ice for more goals against . He has not been one of the better players especially last couple of games.

I disagree with your regress line He hits and for checks and contributes in other ways in his limited time on ice. Your expecting to much from him and are using him as a scapegoat.

We have one of if not the best 4th lines in the nhl I think expecting them to score is where your mistaken They contribute by being physical and wearing down opponents not to score goals.

Every line has bad games and for you and other to continually say the 4th line sucks is wrong. Especially when u don't call out other lines. This is wear i have issues with our fans. There are a lot of fans in here that do nothing but point out when they have bad games and not say anything when they play well. The 4th line plays under 10 mins a game I don't see why people think we have issues with them when they play maybe a 1/6th of the game Bigger mins players is wear people should be concerned with shore plays more and should be more productive then he has been If anything shore out weal in

I didn't say that Andy has played more than shore. I simply said that Shore has only played half a year and is still developing. My point is that Shore is still a young player and will make mistakes, he's still shown that he can be an effective 3C. Andy hasn't even shown the ability to be an effective 4th liner. And you sure seem to be using Shore as a scapegoat, saying he should be benched after one bad game?


And I'm sorry but saying that the only players our fanbase calls out is the 4th line is absolute bullshit. We have done nothing but rail on Kopi, Carter, Lucic, Muzzin, etc since the season started.

 

[HYORI 1963]

i watched his preseason and his 7 13 secs against a coyotes while i agree its not a be all and end all evaluation I will stick to my gun and wait to be proven wrong. He will not make any difference playing this many mins He needs more mins and he won't get them playing with clifford and nolan If your playing him you have to put him with pearson and lewis at the min.

I never said anything to shore on the 4th line as i liked him there a lot more then the 3rd. I still say lewis is our best choice for 3 c. I think i have a solution thou that may work for everyone. I would like to see pearson shore weal as the 3rd line and lewis moves to 4th with clifford and nolan. I think that makes everyone happy. As i have stated elsewhere Weal is being set up to fail playing in bottom 6 especially 4c

Wow, the entire 7:13 seconds??? You sure you didn't blink? Not even once?

 

[HYORI 1963]

playing physical is our teams identity and winning fos helps us on possession stats but your entitled to say what you want. thats what makes this board work

You know what's even more helpful? Good playmaking, which leads to scoring.

I'll let you win 100% of your faceoffs, and even win all the fights, as I'll gladly take scoring over both.

 

[cali101]

yeah i think weal deserves a longer look and more time, no?

We have done nothing but rail on Kopi, Carter, Lucic, Muzzin, etc since the season started.

not sure i'd agree we "done nothing but." however, it's arguable that until last night those lines deserved all the railing. they should take more flack than rookies for their mistakes since they're supposed to be the one's a team can depend on and they're getting paid the big bucks for it. but largely the first couple of lines were crap in the first couple of games.

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

yeah i think weal deserves a longer look and more time, no?



not sure i'd agree we "done nothing but." however, it's arguable that until last night those lines deserved all the railing. they should take more flack than rookies for their mistakes since they're supposed to be the one's a team can depend on and they're getting paid the big bucks for it. but largely the first couple of lines were crap in the first couple of games.

They deserve it for sure don't get me wrong, I'm just saying that KC is wrong for saying that we don't call out these players and only the 4th line. Cause we do call out our top players all the time.

 

[SlimCharles]

I hope we replace Andreoff with Weal; leave Andy as the scratch.

 

[cyclones22]

I thought the 3rd and 4th lines were pretty good early. Shore took the penalty but he also made the sneaky pass that Pearson couldn't convert right in front of the net. Nolan is by far the shakiest of the bottom 6. He's way too confident on the puck and loses it in dangerous spots. I'd bench him and stick Weal with Andy and Clifford.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I didn't say that Andy has played more than shore. I simply said that Shore has only played half a year and is still developing. My point is that Shore is still a young player and will make mistakes, he's still shown that he can be an effective 3C. Andy hasn't even shown the ability to be an effective 4th liner. And you sure seem to be using Shore as a scapegoat, saying he should be benched after one bad game?


And I'm sorry but saying that the only players our fanbase calls out is the 4th line is absolute bullshit. We have done nothing but rail on Kopi, Carter, Lucic, Muzzin, etc since the season started.

Andy is still developing as well your acting like Andy isn't. no difference there sorry. He has made one play period the tip in period. He had one good game out of 4 (arizona ) Andy has had two good games out of 3 imo The fourth line did what it was supposed to do Again i don't know what your expecting out of a player playing around 8 mins a game but i think its probably not the same as Sutter does Andy will probably stay in the lineup over Nolan imo. Where did i say he should be benched All i've been saying is he had a worse game imo then andy did

Now you can claim all the nasty words you want but if u look at the people that called out the 4th line have not said anything about any other line in this thread so far and they call them out game after game even when they played well. Your not going to agree so lets do this easy lets agree to disagree on this point.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Wow, the entire 7:13 seconds??? You sure you didn't blink? Not even once?

If he deserved to play more wouldn't Sutter play him more? He hasn't earned any ice time imo He was tried and didn't work yet Will he get back in the lineup probably but if your trying to get him to be 4 c your wasting his time trying him there. One of the scouts before acquiring Lucic said he would be given a chance on the wing Imo it means hes not playing center in nhl but wait and see Unless he gets more then 12 mins he will not stick as a nhl player in la. I honestly hope to be proven wrong and i will admit that i was when i am. Will you when i am right doubt it

 

[KingCanadain1976]

You know what's even more helpful? Good playmaking, which leads to scoring.

I'll let you win 100% of your faceoffs, and even win all the fights, as I'll gladly take scoring over both.

wining draws leads to puck possession which leads to goals. If you don't have possession of the puck you can't score So think what you want winning faceoff is a very important ingredient to winning hockey games.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

that'd be interesting ^ those combos...
but it ain't happening. i can't see sutter doing it.

to be honest cali neither do I However i was trying to find a solution to the people disagreeing with me that i could live with.

 

[tsanuri]

wining draws leads to puck possession which leads to goals. If you don't have possession of the puck you can't score So think what you want winning faceoff is a very important ingredient to winning hockey games.

New centers almost always have issues in the league. And with the new rules I suspect that will be even worse.

This is another topic but I am worried we almost lost another player on a blocked shot last night.
Who here thinks it's time for the team to mandate skate guards for all players? Won't stop all the injuries but will stop some.