Laine blows a goal THROUGH Seider's stick

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Even as a Jet fan and Laine fan, I'll admit there is truth here. Laine is basically Matt Rempe with a different skill.

There is no truth to it. Laine was a PPG player for Columbus for 2 seasons, and a top scorer (pacing for 30-40 goals in a full season) despite missing like 25-30 games both seasons. That is not, objectively, in any way shape or form a "horrible hockey player", unless the rest of Columbus team was even worse than horrible.

None of this was even accomplished with the strength of powerplay scoring, because their PP just wasn't functional. Bottom of the league throughout his stay there. If they had had an even mid-tier PP like Montreal, we know he would've padded his stats much further.

Got to love all this revisionist history from people who only watched his last Columbus season where he was concussed to hell.
 
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There is no truth to it. Laine was a PPG player for Columbus for 2 seasons, and a top scorer (pacing for 30-40 goals in a full season) despite missing like 25-30 games both seasons. That is not, objectively, in any way shape or form a "horrible hockey player", unless the rest of Columbus team was even worse than horrible.

None of this was even accomplished with the strength of powerplay scoring, because their PP just wasn't functional. Bottom of the league throughout his stay there. If they had had an even mid-tier PP like Montreal, we know he would've padded his stats much further.

Got to love all this revisionist history from people who only watched his last Columbus season where he was concussed to hell.
Yeah he was the best player in Columbus when ever available, made all his teammates perform better and team was winning more with him than without him

Bus ignored all of these facts for years and always argued from his feelings.

It's a childs argument
 
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I genuinely don’t know if there’s sarcasm in these posts or what, but, this is now the 2nd Laine post in a week of yours you’ve linked me to…

Laine is a TERRIBLE hockey player. He’s decent offensively and has a VERY good shot. I’ve NEVER contested his shooting ability. If your offense and team has to go through Laine, he will put up points and your team will LOSE games.

What he doesn’t bring to the ice, is ANY ability or effort needed to actually give himself enough space and time consistently enough in meaningful games to make an overall positive impact on the ice. He crashes the net and does rebounds like Nikita Filatov.

The Columbus Blue Jackets DO NOT miss Laine and his lack of everything that makes a team successful. They are arguably currently watchable for the 1st time since Laine was acquired, and it’s NO coincidence that it’s because he is no longer apart of the team.

IMO
I think this may be a little extreme, but I agree.

I think his problem with us was obviously injury luck, and horrible coaching. They tried to turn him into a player he wasn't. He did get better in those regards, but he should be out on the ice to do one thing, and the Habs are letting him do it.

That said, I do agree. I wish him the best but I don't miss him. Hope he still lights it up tho.
 

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I genuinely don’t know if there’s sarcasm in these posts or what, but, this is now the 2nd Laine post in a week of yours you’ve linked me to…

Laine is a TERRIBLE hockey player. He’s decent offensively and has a VERY good shot. I’ve NEVER contested his shooting ability. If your offense and team has to go through Laine, he will put up points and your team will LOSE games.

What he doesn’t bring to the ice, is ANY ability or effort needed to actually give himself enough space and time consistently enough in meaningful games to make an overall positive impact on the ice. He crashes the net and does rebounds like Nikita Filatov.

The Columbus Blue Jackets DO NOT miss Laine and his lack of everything that makes a team successful. They are arguably currently watchable for the 1st time since Laine was acquired, and it’s NO coincidence that it’s because he is no longer apart of the team.

IMO
Scoring goals is by far the most attractive attribute for a forward in the NHL though. And it's definitely something that wins hockey games.

Laine is an artillery battery and he's really hard to stop on the PP if you have another snipe option like Caufield to spread the defense and skilled players feeding him the puck.

I think he can be a good asset if he doesn't try to be a complete player and just fit where he's supposed to.
 
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Laine is a TERRIBLE hockey player. He’s decent offensively and has a VERY good shot. I’ve NEVER contested his shooting ability. If your offense and team has to go through Laine, he will put up points and your team will LOSE games.
So it sounds like he’s actually an above average hockey player but just isn’t good enough to be a team’s primary offensive threat?
 

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So it sounds like he’s actually an above average hockey player but just isn’t good enough to be a team’s primary offensive threat?
Good overall player, average skater but has good top speed, underrated playmaker, has terrific shot but due to his long stick has difficulties stickhandle in small rink, average cycle skills, injury prone, makes lots of turnovers when trying to solo through opponents. Extremely streaky.
 
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He had two seasons in Columbus where he had the best goal differential of any lineup regular, in fact I think one of those seasons he was the only player to break 50% GF, while the team without him on ice was something like high 30s...he was also scoring at at ~PPG on a team where Gaudreau managed like 0.75P/GP or something. And like it was pointed out the PP was crap, he had like 5 PP goals that season. He had a point on about 80% of 5v5 goals scored when he was on ice. He really did improve his overall 5v5 game in Columbus, you could already see it in 21-22 and in 22-23 it also started showing up in underlying metrics. He also did fine 5v5 most seasons in Winnipeg but had that one real stinker in there which really skewed perception. During his WPG years he was also more reliant on having the right linemates, in CBJ those two good seasons that was not really the case.

That said, I don't think he should be the main playdriver and if he's the best player of your team, you're probably not going to do very well unless you have some serious depth and just happen to have just the right kind of guys to surround him with. But far more likely path to success would be to utilize him as a complimentary player, and I believe he might be about the best player in the league to take advantage of a situation like that. He can make scoring look so damn easy when he has just a little bit of extra time and space. I loved Stastny and Ehlers with him in WPG for that reason, Stastny might have been past his prime but he was still so damn good at making all the right small plays to create that extra bit of time and space for Laine, and Ehlers at his best is a beast at tilting the ice.

In different circumstances his current lack of 5v5 points or crappy underlying metrics might be alarming but as it is, he didn't play hockey for almost a year, is coming off a knee injury AND his most common linemate is a center who missed even more time than him and is coming back from even way worse knee injury. I'm not very surprised these two guys are not exactly tilting ice out there and I'm not sure I follow the logic of stacking all the rust on one line... but yeah it's all just blaming Laine's center again, right?

Laine is far from a perfect hockey player but he's way more competent than just a shot, his biggest problem has been injuries, inconsistency and extended periods of suck when things are not going well. I think the latter has been largely a mental thing made worse by physical problems. The good thing is he looks the happiest playing hockey I've seen him since 2017/2018 or something... he's even celebrating his goals a bit and I spotted a shy smile when he finished the hatty vs Buffalo. Poor guy is probably starting to get embarrassed just blasting them in on the PP.

Good overall player, average skater but has good top speed, underrated playmaker, has terrific shot but due to his long stick has difficulties stickhandle in small rink, average cycle skills, injury prone, makes lots of turnovers when trying to solo through opponents. Extremely streaky.
GTFO with these balanced takes that make some sense, pick a side and stick to your guns! :D
 

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He had two seasons in Columbus where he had the best goal differential of any lineup regular, in fact I think one of those seasons he was the only player to break 50% GF, while the team without him on ice was something like high 30s...he was also scoring at at ~PPG on a team where Gaudreau managed like 0.75P/GP or something. And like it was pointed out the PP was crap, he had like 5 PP goals that season. He had a point on about 80% of 5v5 goals scored when he was on ice. He really did improve his overall 5v5 game in Columbus, you could already see it in 21-22 and in 22-23 it also started showing up in underlying metrics. He also did fine 5v5 most seasons in Winnipeg but had that one real stinker in there which really skewed perception. During his WPG years he was also more reliant on having the right linemates, in CBJ those two good seasons that was not really the case.

That said, I don't think he should be the main playdriver and if he's the best player of your team, you're probably not going to do very well unless you have some serious depth and just happen to have just the right kind of guys to surround him with. But far more likely path to success would be to utilize him as a complimentary player, and I believe he might be about the best player in the league to take advantage of a situation like that. He can make scoring look so damn easy when he has just a little bit of extra time and space. I loved Stastny and Ehlers with him in WPG for that reason, Stastny might have been past his prime but he was still so damn good at making all the right small plays to create that extra bit of time and space for Laine, and Ehlers at his best is a beast at tilting the ice.

In different circumstances his current lack of 5v5 points or crappy underlying metrics might be alarming but as it is, he didn't play hockey for almost a year, is coming off a knee injury AND his most common linemate is a center who missed even more time than him and is coming back from even way worse knee injury. I'm not very surprised these two guys are not exactly tilting ice out there and I'm not sure I follow the logic of stacking all the rust on one line... but yeah it's all just blaming Laine's center again, right?

Laine is far from a perfect hockey player but he's way more competent than just a shot, his biggest problem has been injuries, inconsistency and extended periods of suck when things are not going well. I think the latter has been largely a mental thing made worse by physical problems. The good thing is he looks the happiest playing hockey I've seen him since 2017/2018 or something... he's even celebrating his goals a bit and I spotted a shy smile when he finished the hatty vs Buffalo. Poor guy is probably starting to get embarrassed just blasting them in on the PP.


GTFO with these balanced takes that make some sense, pick a side and stick to your guns! :D
All right. That was actually a pretty good post. I will stand in a corner for a while now.

I do admit, I did not want Laine in the Habs. I thought he'd crumble. So happy to be wrong.
 
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Well, he just scored again on the PP from the same spot he scored all his other goals.

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