GDT: LA vs. Flames: it's not funny. 8pm MT

[Mobiandi]

That was all Wolf and Coronato. Kerins should draw in next game

 

[Straight Fire]

Got that glass half full feeling again!

 

[joescores]

That was all Wolf and Coronato. Kerins should draw in next game

Instead of Rooney who sucks big time.

Wolf, Coronato, Hubbie and Kadri were really good. Only watched because of Wolf. Our MVP, no doubt.

 

[Figgy44]

Instead of Rooney who sucks big time.

Should change his first name from Kevin to Kanga.

 

[Unlimited Chequing]

Got that glass half full feeling again!

Is that like a semi-chub?

 

[JurassicTunga]

What a game from Wolf!
This kid can be a game changer for us.

Just gotta get that big time #1 centreman.

 

[Figgy44]

Is that like a semi-chub?

 

[Straight Fire]

Is that like a semi-chub?

 

[Bounces R Way]

Very solid final 40 from the team I thought. Played for each other. Coronato and Wolf were fantastic. This kind of game really reinforces how important having vets like Backs and Coleman on the roster is. Lomberg too. How many young guys get thrown on their line(or Backs-Frolik before Blake) and they almost all of them flourish there.

It's why I would be a little hesitant to go too crazy offloading guys still in their prime like Ras or Weegar. Get younger sure, but running a whole squad of <28 year olds I think is how you circle the drain for a while.

 

[joescores]

I would sign Wolf long term ASAP

 

[TheHudlinator]

The difference between Wolf and Vladar is crazy what a game by wolf

 

[Boomstick]

Just got home, went to a little house party to watch football and hockey. Saw the last 2 periods of the Flames game. Way to go boys. Hube with a GWG. Loving his season so far, keep it up.

 

[Felidae]

I would sign Wolf long term ASAP

You've come a long way with Wolf.. I remember just last season you were his biggest doubter on here

 

[Lunatik]

They have a game called Joking Hazard, where you build comic strips. There is also an expansion pack called Stroking Hazard, I'm sure you can guess the content.

You've come a long way with Wolf.. I remember just last season you were his biggest doubter on here

In training camp they were claiming Cooley should be on the team over Wolf.

 

[super6646]

The difference between Wolf and Vladar is crazy what a game by wolf

Dont tell the Vladar dickriders on Reddit that one.

Anyways, wolf is a f***ing beast. The lateral movement is a work of art. You can’t teach it. He’s an excellent goalie, but he’s also just a shitton of fun to watch too. We’ve got our next big one me thinks.

Coronato is night and day from last season. You could see the flashes before, but the improved skating has really allowed him to come into his own.

 

[Volica]

Again, young guys and the big dollar players leading the charge.
Unless the wheels really fall off, this team will be in a bubble/wildcard spot down the line. Not optimal from a pick perspective but not the end of the world with having 6 first rounders over three years regardless.

I’d love for Calgary to swing a trade here and get some more youth and talent through. Just keep the good feelings going.

Get Kerins in too. Another dart for the dartboard.

 

[Anglesmith]

I feel like this team has their shit together more than Vancouver.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

enough placating to the veterans. If you really do want to make the playoffs and not finish in our annual 9th in the west, time to play Wolf in most of the games down the stretch. His expected save percentage going back to early November is .878 (before last nights game). What he’s doing is frankly astonishing.

Also, time to sit some of the older guys that bring nothing, ie Rooney, Kuzmenko and see what some of the young guys can do (I’d like to see Solo, Kuznetsov, Stromgren and Kerins down the stretch in some games)

 

[joescores]

You've come a long way with Wolf.. I remember just last season you were his biggest doubter on here

Yes, do I need to drop a bucket of ash down my face after his every game? 2 months in, I said I was in wrong. People can change their perspective when proven wrong

 

[Felidae]

Yes, do I need to drop a bucket of ash down my face after his every game? 2 months in, I said I was in wrong. People can change their perspective when proven wrong

Yeah of course, was merely pointing out the drastic change. Happens to the best of us.

 

[super6646]

enough placating to the veterans. If you really do want to make the playoffs and not finish in our annual 9th in the west, time to play Wolf in most of the games down the stretch. His expected save percentage going back to early November is .878 (before last nights game). What he’s doing is frankly astonishing.

Also, time to sit some of the older guys that bring nothing, ie Rooney, Kuzmenko and see what some of the young guys can do (I’d like to see Solo, Kuznetsov, Stromgren and Kerins down the stretch in some games)

Agreed on that latter point. I’m tired of running that limp 4th line. Rooney most especially. When Rooney was with the wranglers, he was barely getting it done as a #3C in the AHL. Now he’s getting a regular nhl shift despite producing nothing (his stat line is the same as last years actually lmao), being terrible in the dot, and I’m sure it’s no coincidence that he’s on the PK1 and we have a bottom tier pk in the league.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Agreed on that latter point. I’m tired of running that limp 4th line. Rooney most especially. When Rooney was with the wranglers, he was barely getting it done as a #3C in the AHL. Now he’s getting a regular nhl shift despite producing nothing (his stat line is the same as last years actually lmao), being terrible in the dot, and I’m sure it’s no coincidence that he’s on the PK1 and we have a bottom tier pk in the league.

Completely unironically, we actually get scored on at a 10% higher rate when Coleman is on the ice, a 34% higher rate when Backlund is on the ice, and a 36% higher rate when Sharangovich is on the ice than Rooney on the PK this year. Every single PKer we have gets scored on significantly less when sharing the ice with Rooney (including defenseman), best highlighted by Backlund who gets scored on at a 78% higher rate when he doesn’t PK with Rooney compared to when they share the ice this year. So by all accounts it is a coincidence.

He’s also apart of our “ideal lineup” this year. Sorting by xGF% and GF%, the best combos we can ice 5v5 looks like this.

Huberdeau-Kadri-Pospisil: 59.6% xGF, 66.7% GF
Coleman-Backlund-Coronato: 51.8% xGF, 70.6% GF
Pelletier-Zary-Sharangovich: 59.1% xGF, 75% GF
Lomberg-Rooney-Kirkland: 53.2% xGF, 75% GF

Bahl-Andersson: 47.7% xGF, 50% GF
Hanley-Weegar: 66.1% xGF, 76.9% GF
Bean-Pachal: 51.4% xGF, 53.8% GF

Mantha also appears in a lot of our best forward combos surprisingly enough. Would love to offer him another 1 year prove it deal to see what he can provide/another shot at being a deadline asset.

 

[super6646]

Completely unironically, we actually get scored on at a 10% higher rate when Coleman is on the ice, a 34% higher rate when Backlund is on the ice, and a 36% higher rate when Sharangovich is on the ice than Rooney on the PK this year. Every single PKer we have gets scored on significantly less when sharing the ice with Rooney (including defenseman), best highlighted by Backlund who gets scored on at a 78% higher rate when he doesn’t PK with Rooney compared to when they share the ice this year. So by all accounts it is a coincidence.

He’s also apart of our “ideal lineup” this year. Sorting by xGF% and GF%, the best combos we can ice 5v5 looks like this.

Huberdeau-Kadri-Pospisil: 59.6% xGF, 66.7% GF
Coleman-Backlund-Coronato: 51.8% xGF, 70.6% GF
Pelletier-Zary-Sharangovich: 59.1% xGF, 75% GF
Lomberg-Rooney-Kirkland: 53.2% xGF, 75% GF

Bahl-Andersson: 47.7% xGF, 50% GF
Hanley-Weegar: 66.1% xGF, 76.9% GF
Bean-Pachal: 51.4% xGF, 53.8% GF

Mantha also appears in a lot of our best forward combos surprisingly enough. Would love to offer him another 1 year prove it deal to see what he can provide/another shot at being a deadline asset.

I don’t even know where you get the numbers for those combos, but call me skeptical on that 4th line when Rooney and Kirkland have possession metrics in the low 40s. And even if these numbers are true, they are moot because Kirkland isn’t playing and won’t be for this season.

I will give you this, you are the king of cherry picked stats. After all, this is the guy who took a 3 game sample size as justification for lucic to play with huberdeau and Kadri a while back. I have one for you too, on the ice for 16 GA in the past 15 games. He’s terrible, awful, costing this team points.

Once you look at actual scoring chances, Rooney sucks on the pk and it’s clear he’s probably our worst choice. Bled chances last year and does so this year. The only difference is backlund had miraculously shown terrible results on the pk when he was just fine without Rooney last year.

You call it whatever you like, but putting a player who barely cuts it as a middle six ahler…. Well, the results are borne out clear as day.

 

[Yepthatsme]

I don’t even know where you get the numbers for those combos, but call me skeptical on that 4th line when Rooney and Kirkland have possession metrics in the low 40s. And even if these numbers are true, they are moot because Kirkland isn’t playing and won’t be for this season.

I will give you this, you are the king of cherry picked stats. After all, this is the guy who took a 3 game sample size as justification for lucic to play with huberdeau and Kadri a while back. I have one for you too, on the ice for 16 GA in the past 15 games. He’s terrible, awful, costing this team points.

Once you look at actual scoring chances, Rooney sucks on the pk and it’s clear he’s probably our worst choice. Bled chances last year and does so this year. The only difference is backlund had miraculously shown terrible results on the pk when he was just fine without Rooney last year.

You call it whatever you like, but putting a player who barely cuts it as a middle six ahler…. Well, the results are borne out clear as day.

…by actually using line results. How can you claim I’m cherry picking numbers when you don’t understand where they come from? Do numbers that fly in the face of your argument mean they’re cherry picked, and ones that support your claim mean they’re factual? For that post I used the entire season to date results of lines we have iced and their how they’ve tilted the ice and how they’re expected to tilt the ice. For our PK I used rates it gets scored against with players on the ice for the whole season, as well as with you/without you numbers for the whole season for our top 6 PKers by total minutes and our 4 most used defenseman by total minutes. Please explain how using an entire sample size is cherry picking other than the results disagree with your bias, I’m all ears.

The only more successful 4th line we’ve had on the season was Lomberg-Kirkland-Coronato, but that was a waste of Coronato and he’s been more successful higher in the lineup. By the way our other most successful 4th line iteration was Lomberg-Rooney-Pelletier.

I hope you see the irony though that I just quoted full season stats at you and you come back with a “15 game sample size”, yet I’m the king at cherry picking to see what I want to see. Another great example of cherry picking though, you claim Rooney is the likely the reason our PK sucks. I show you we actually get scored on much less when he’s on the ice. So you decide scoring chances against now show that Rooney is a terrible PKer, because our PK being more successful when he’s on doesn’t support the argument anymore. When numbers fly in the face of what you’re trying to say so you find numbers that agree, that’s called cherry picking. For what it’s worth although I imagine you won’t care, Backlund actually does significantly worse at allowing scoring chances and in xGA rates without Rooney sharing the ice with him this year as well.

 

[super6646]

…by actually using line results. How can you claim I’m cherry picking numbers when you don’t understand where they come from? Do numbers that fly in the face of your argument mean they’re cherry picked, and ones that support your claim mean they’re factual? For that post I used the entire season to date results of lines we have iced and their how they’ve tilted the ice and how they’re expected to tilt the ice. For our PK I used rates it gets scored against with players on the ice for the whole season, as well as with you/without you numbers for the whole season for our top 6 PKers by total minutes and our 4 most used defenseman by total minutes. Please explain how using an entire sample size is cherry picking other than the results disagree with your bias, I’m all ears.

The only more successful 4th line we’ve had on the season was Lomberg-Kirkland-Coronato, but that was a waste of Coronato and he’s been more successful higher in the lineup. By the way our other most successful 4th line iteration was Lomberg-Rooney-Pelletier.

I hope you see the irony though that I just quoted full season stats at you and you come back with a “15 game sample size”, yet I’m the king at cherry picking to see what I want to see. Another great example of cherry picking though, you claim Rooney is the likely the reason our PK sucks. I show you we actually get scored on much less when he’s on the ice. So you decide scoring chances against now show that Rooney is a terrible PKer, because our PK being more successful when he’s on doesn’t support the argument anymore. When numbers fly in the face of what you’re trying to say so you find numbers that agree, that’s called cherry picking. For what it’s worth although I imagine you won’t care, Backlund actually does significantly worse at allowing scoring chances and in xGA rates without Rooney sharing the ice with him this year as well.

Which is (probably) entirely borne out of getting more saves when he is on the ice rather than any actual ability. He's just marginally luckier than the other guys he is on the ice with! Rooney was our worst penalty killer in terms of scoring chances last year, and this year he's damn near the bottom again! And how much time has Backlund spend away from Rooney on the PK? Probably minimal given they've been attached to the hip on the top unit. That is why I mentioned last years numbers when he was with Coleman... when he's the usual Backs that season!

I will clarify that Rooney isn't the only reason our PK has sucked, because I think you know as well as I do that goaltending plays an oversized role in that. But he's definitely been a major part of it. Again, he's a middle six AHL player who isn't good defensively and sucks in the dot. The results speak for themselves. And you are right, I don't care that the (likely extraordinarily small sample) stats show Backs as a worse PKer this year, because I've been watching the guy for a decade and know that is total bullshit. You don't want to give credence to the qualitative stuff, that's fine, but you are right that there is no room for me to budge there.

You give out line combos showing Rooney with a 53xGF%, but I'm rightfully going to be skeptical as to how much that claim matters because their individual rates are terrible! So what does that probably mean? It means you are putting too much stake on small f***ing sample sizes showing decent results for that line (or the data is just wrong)! Could I be wrong though? Maybe. But I've seen enough of the player to trust my assessment. No stats necessary to defend that argument lol.