Proposal: LA MTL

[Kurrilino]

Regarless who it is:

You wouldn't trade Chromiak for: Hedman or Josi or Carlson or Pietrangelo?

Nope

But Chromiak is not the keyword here.
I don't trade for 30+ year olds when our core is still 3-4 years away from contending

 

[Baksfamous112]

Both Girard and Kuemper played well enough last night for another W at the Habs expense.

&

newhook > Caufield.

As I said, regular season stats padding. Also, the fact that you almost got beat by the worst team in the league is not something to brag about.

See you on the golf course after R2

 

[Guitpik]

A 5th rd pick isn't a gamble. It's a shot in the dark.

Gamble, shot in the dark...Either way, Habs are not getting him. Move on!

 

[ole ole]

Gamble, shot in the dark...Either way, Habs are not getting him. Move on!

Not asking for him. Just still laughing at you guys thinking he's better than Wright.

 

[tkb81]

pace is not total. We'll see how many he gets over the duration of the contract and do the math to see how many hundreds of thousands or millions it cost LA per goal.

another couple million last night .. this is getting expensive .. haha

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

another couple million last night .. this is getting expensive .. haha

On pace for a 22 million dollar season so I guess he's pretty good value at 5.5

 

[BringTheReign]

Hijacking this thread. Montreal fans, is Guhle untouchable? Does Turcotte even start the conversation for you all? Any other prospects or pieces interesting besides Byfield if not?

I legitimately am unaware of how he is viewed in the fanbase, but am curious as I've been looking at potential LHD acquisitions younger than Chychrun given all LAK insiders saying a top pair LHD is at the top of Blake's wish list.

 

[samsagat]

Nope

But Chromiak is not the keyword here.
I don't trade for 30+ year olds when our core is still 3-4 years away from contending

Yeaaaah!!

I remember a certain Henrik Borgstrom here that was seen as the second coming of Christ.

You would put whatever high producing (on an ok contract) NHL player in a trade for him and it was never enough...

Now he's a borderline NHL player. The Panthers stuck with him until he had about no value. They spoiled an asset that had good value once.

Example like that here on the forum are abundant, and Habs fans are no exceptions in that regard.
More often than not prospects (or picks) value are grossly exaggerated here.

There's a reason why lotto tickets, even when millions are at stakes, cost so little. It's because probabilities are not on your side.

It's the same with draft picks (or even prospects that are good producers at 19 or 20 yo in the CHL).
Apart from the top-10 (15 in some draft with depth), it's a big gamble.


L-A has made tons of high picks lately, they're deep in their prospect pool in about every positions.

At the end of the day, they're not gonna be able to make room for all of them.

If they don't trade some of them for immediate short terms help, they're gonna loose some of them in the number's game.

 

[kinghock]

Yeaaaah!!

I remember a certain Henrik Borgstrom here that was seen as the second coming of Christ.

You would put whatever high producing (on an ok contract) NHL player in a trade for him and it was never enough...

Now he's a borderline NHL player. The Panthers stuck with him until he had about no value. They spoiled an asset that had good value once.

Example like that here on the forum are abundant, and Habs fans are no exceptions in that regard.
More often than not prospects (or picks) value are grossly exaggerated here.

There's a reason why lotto tickets, even when millions are at stakes, cost so little. It's because probabilities are not on your side.

It's the same with draft picks (or even prospects that are good producers at 19 or 20 yo in the CHL).
Apart from the top-10 (15 in some draft with depth), it's a big gamble.


L-A has made tons of high picks lately, they're deep in their prospect pool in about every positions.

At the end of the day, they're not gonna be able to make room for all of them.

If they don't trade some of them for immediate short terms help, they're gonna loose some of them in the number's game.

They're not going to be able to make room for all of them, but it does not mean they will trade them for old/expensive/not needed pieces.
Kings can always trade them for young talented plyers.

 

[Kurrilino]

Yeaaaah!!

I remember a certain Henrik Borgstrom here that was seen as the second coming of Christ.

You would put whatever high producing (on an ok contract) NHL player in a trade for him and it was never enough...

Now he's a borderline NHL player. The Panthers stuck with him until he had about no value. They spoiled an asset that had good value once.

Example like that here on the forum are abundant, and Habs fans are no exceptions in that regard.
More often than not prospects (or picks) value are grossly exaggerated here.

There's a reason why lotto tickets, even when millions are at stakes, cost so little. It's because probabilities are not on your side.

It's the same with draft picks (or even prospects that are good producers at 19 or 20 yo in the CHL).
Apart from the top-10 (15 in some draft with depth), it's a big gamble.


L-A has made tons of high picks lately, they're deep in their prospect pool in about every positions.

At the end of the day, they're not gonna be able to make room for all of them.

If they don't trade some of them for immediate short terms help, they're gonna loose some of them in the number's game.

All this has nothing to do with us not trading for 30+ year olds when being away 3-4 years from contending.
I am well aware that not all of our prospects make it even out of the minors.
But i rather watch them grow and flourish, filling a real need with trading some of them.

If you would offer something in the age range of our future core, i am all ear

 

[Kurrilino]

Hijacking this thread. Montreal fans, is Guhle untouchable? Does Turcotte even start the conversation for you all? Any other prospects or pieces interesting besides Byfield if not?

I legitimately am unaware of how he is viewed in the fanbase, but am curious as I've been looking at potential LHD acquisitions younger than Chychrun given all LAK insiders saying a top pair LHD is at the top of Blake's wish list.

What do you mean by starting the conversation.
Turcotte would be the painful max i would go and create a real hockey trade 1vs1

Beside that i don't really know what you see in Guhle.
I watch him here and there and see a solid guy in the juniors but nothing really stands out.
Am i missing something?

 

[Boondock]

Regarless who it is:

You wouldn't trade Chromiak for: Hedman or Josi or Carlson or Pietrangelo?

Do you really need this clarified? Despite the word "regardless", no one has mentioned that tier of player (Hedman, Carlson, etc.) and to bring them into this as a "gotcha" moment is pointless and makes your post come off as confrontational and daft.

 

[kinghock]

Yeaaaah!!

I remember a certain Henrik Borgstrom here that was seen as the second coming of Christ.

You would put whatever high producing (on an ok contract) NHL player in a trade for him and it was never enough...

Now he's a borderline NHL player. The Panthers stuck with him until he had about no value. They spoiled an asset that had good value once.

Example like that here on the forum are abundant, and Habs fans are no exceptions in that regard.
More often than not prospects (or picks) value are grossly exaggerated here.

There's a reason why lotto tickets, even when millions are at stakes, cost so little. It's because probabilities are not on your side.

It's the same with draft picks (or even prospects that are good producers at 19 or 20 yo in the CHL).
Apart from the top-10 (15 in some draft with depth), it's a big gamble.


L-A has made tons of high picks lately, they're deep in their prospect pool in about every positions.

At the end of the day, they're not gonna be able to make room for all of them.

If they don't trade some of them for immediate short terms help, they're gonna loose some of them in the number's game.

Montreal has problem with lack of young talent and a lot of old expensive players on their roster.
Kings will not help to solve it if it will not benefit LA greatly.

 

[Kurrilino]

Not asking for him. Just still laughing at you guys thinking he's better than Wright.

Actually he said, that he has better numbers than Wright, which is correct.
Still don't get what's so funny about that

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yeaaaah!!

I remember a certain Henrik Borgstrom here that was seen as the second coming of Christ.

You would put whatever high producing (on an ok contract) NHL player in a trade for him and it was never enough...

Now he's a borderline NHL player. The Panthers stuck with him until he had about no value. They spoiled an asset that had good value once.

Example like that here on the forum are abundant, and Habs fans are no exceptions in that regard.
More often than not prospects (or picks) value are grossly exaggerated here.

There's a reason why lotto tickets, even when millions are at stakes, cost so little. It's because probabilities are not on your side.

It's the same with draft picks (or even prospects that are good producers at 19 or 20 yo in the CHL).
Apart from the top-10 (15 in some draft with depth), it's a big gamble.


L-A has made tons of high picks lately, they're deep in their prospect pool in about every positions.

At the end of the day, they're not gonna be able to make room for all of them.

If they don't trade some of them for immediate short terms help, they're gonna loose some of them in the number's game.

I really don't see why this is such a difficult concept. Except for the posters who are clearly trying really hard to not 'get it.'

It's not about Chromiak's value in a vacuum; it's about relative value to LA. LA is not in the current position to move lottery tickets for rentals. Their youth's window isn't even opening yet. They have yet to find what holes they have! While it would make sense to start filling some future organizational needs--LHD, goaltending amongst those--18-year-olds for 30+-year-olds is not a 'fit' (disclaimer: unless there is an absurdity like Chromiak-for-Hedman like mentioned earlier in this thread, something so stupid it's unlikely. I can't believe I need to say that but clearly we need this disclaimer for posters being intentionally obtuse).

 

[habsfan44]

Hijacking this thread. Montreal fans, is Guhle untouchable? Does Turcotte even start the conversation for you all? Any other prospects or pieces interesting besides Byfield if not?

I legitimately am unaware of how he is viewed in the fanbase, but am curious as I've been looking at potential LHD acquisitions younger than Chychrun given all LAK insiders saying a top pair LHD is at the top of Blake's wish list.

I don't think he's untouchable but is exactly what we need on the big club , if he were to be moved I suspect it would be for a young pivot who has offensive upside in a top six role possibly a number one center if everything goes right .

 

[Habs10025]

romanov is the player I would target from Montreal.

Romanov isn't available
No trade.

 

[kinghock]

Romanov isn't available
No trade.

It is makes sense for Montreal.
Talented Kings prospects are not available for old Canadiens players either.

 

[BringTheReign]

I don't think he's untouchable but is exactly what we need on the big club , if he were to be moved I suspect it would be for a young pivot who has offensive upside in a top six role possibly a number one center if everything goes right .

Fair enough, thanks for the insight.

 

[Habs10025]

It is makes sense for Montreal.
Talented Kings prospects are not available for old Canadiens players either.

Montreal making any trade with LA is unlikely.

 

[habsfan44]

Fair enough, thanks for the insight.

You're welcome , I don't know if there's a trade to be made between the two sides but I do believe intelligent discussion is possible between the two fan bases without the usual nonsense infecting the conversation . Cheers !

 

[samsagat]

I really don't see why this is such a difficult concept. Except for the posters who are clearly trying really hard to not 'get it.'

It's not about Chromiak's value in a vacuum; it's about relative value to LA. LA is not in the current position to move lottery tickets for rentals. Their youth's window isn't even opening yet. They have yet to find what holes they have! While it would make sense to start filling some future organizational needs--LHD, goaltending amongst those--18-year-olds for 30+-year-olds is not a 'fit' (disclaimer: unless there is an absurdity like Chromiak-for-Hedman like mentioned earlier in this thread, something so stupid it's unlikely. I can't believe I need to say that but clearly we need this disclaimer for posters being intentionally obtuse).

Don't worry, I get it.

But you know, I've seen so many posters here on HF been skittish about trading any ok prospects like they were absolute gold.

And I don't blame anybody, we're all the same in that matter.

But at the end of the day, prospects or picks are just lottery tickets, a probability of getting something.

We're all skittish about "what if this one turns into something"... Skittish about the risk it turns bad for our team, looking silly.

But appart from the obvious prospects/picks, who won't get traded for players like Chiarot anyway, most of them don't turns into something...

LA brass said they were looking for a big, bruising LHD.

They're actually in the playoffs and have a plethora of good prospects.

So no, whatever you say, and as far as I know you're no part of any NHL team hockey operation so you're not above anybody here in terms of knowing how it works, Chromiak+ vs Chiarot isn't something LA wouldn't consider.

NHL GMs are willing to take those kind of risks and make those kind of sacrifices every year.

P.S.: let me tell you something, hockey team brass just don't have hockey related topics to consider.

They must think about the team attractiveness in their respective market, not being forgotten. They have to think about the present too, to maximize their revenues.

After missing the playoffs for multiple years, in a market like LA, where there's a lot of competition in terms of pro sports, furthermore hockey not being exactly a priority nor a major concern for the average pro sports fan there, yeah trying to secure a playoff spot and maximize an opportunity might be of concern for them.

LA might not make the playoffs next year, seizing the moment is important in the NHL.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Don't worry, I get it.

But you know, I've seen so many posters here on HF been skittish about trading any ok prospects like they were absolute gold.

And I don't blame anybody, we're all the same in that matter.

But at the end of the day, prospects or picks are just lottery tickets, a probability of getting something.

We're all skittish about "what if this one turns into something"... Skittish about the risk it turns bad for our team, looking silly.

But appart from the obvious prospects/picks, who won't get traded for players like Chiarot anyway, most of them don't turns into something...

LA brass said they were looking for a big, bruising LHD.

They're actually in the playoffs and have a plethora of good prospects.

So no, whatever you say, and as far as I know you're no part of any NHL team hockey operation so you're not above anybody here in terms of knowing how it works, Chromiak+ vs Chiarot isn't something LA wouldn't consider.

NHL GMs are willing to take those kind of risks and make those kind of sacrifices every year.

P.S.: let me tell you something, hockey team brass just don't have hockey related topics to consider.

They must think about the team attractiveness in their respective market, not being forgotten. They have to think about the present too, to maximize their revenues.

After missing the playoffs for multiple years, in a market like LA, where there's a lot of competition in terms of pro sports, furthermore hockey not being exactly a priority nor a major concern for the average pro sports fan there, yeah trying to secure a playoff spot and maximize an opportunity might be of concern for them.

LA might not make the playoffs next year, seizing the moment is important in the NHL.

No, it doesn't appear you do, and thank you for the extended illustration that you do not.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You're welcome , I don't know if there's a trade to be made between the two sides but I do believe intelligent discussion is possible between the two fan bases without the usual nonsense infecting the conversation . Cheers !

It's funny really, both teams certainly have pieces the other could use, but probably not at the expense of giving up the pieces the other side would want lest they open up another hole. There may be an angle in there somewhere but we haven't really seen it yet.

 

[Cenzo_]

What do you mean by starting the conversation.
Turcotte would be the painful max i would go and create a real hockey trade 1vs1

Beside that i don't really know what you see in Guhle.
I watch him here and there and see a solid guy in the juniors but nothing really stands out.
Am i missing something?

yeah just the captain of Team Canada PPG D that hits like a train, is great at defense and very quick to top it off.

he is what coaches dream of