Low Effort GDT LA Kings vs. Ottawa Senators (RDS2, TSN5)

Big Muddy

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Kings are expected to be a playoff team, we controlled the play 5v5 most of the game,

We did that down a top 4 D for most of the game, an without Greig. Not bad.
Yes, this isn’t mentioned enough. We fought back after getting down 2 goals twice in this game. Several forwards who have been quiet got their game going.

We have 2 wins in three games. And the wins were against strong teams. There’s things that can improve, but so far, that’s a decent result.
 

Senscore

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When does Dorion come on... You could sell a lot of Dog Shit before that game.


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swiftwin

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Get espn+
I'm international and I can tell you, it is by far the best sports streaming available. Never miss,a game, sometimes with broadcast choice (I prefer tge non-sens broadcast). You'll find ice hockey right after table tennis. It's good for pretty much any live sporting broadcast.
You'll need a VPN to use it in Canada but it's still cheaper than Canadian streaming options. The service is also 100x better.
I just mean I can't go to the games in person. I can watch all the games on Sportsnet+
 

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Analysis can consist of looking for something else to blame on the most popular scapegoat at times. Often there’s little expertise that goes into it, especially on social media.

The twitter account that posted the vid/analysis (everydaysens) loooooooves Chabot. Does not treat him like a scapegoat at all. That's the first time I've ever seen that account criticize him.

Just goes to show how frequent Chabot's shots from the corner are becoming if even his biggest defender on twitter is calling him out on it.
 
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Analysis can consist of looking for something else to blame on the most popular scapegoat at times. Often there’s little expertise that goes into it, especially on social media.
Yeah, perhaps analysis was too vague a word.

The twitter account that posted the vid/analysis (everydaysens) loooooooves Chabot. Does not treat him like a scapegoat at all. That's the first time I've ever seen that account criticize him.

Just goes to show how frequent Chabot's shots from the corner are becoming if even his biggest defender on twitter is calling him out on it.
It was a waste of a post. Post when Chabot legit stands there in the offensive zone and doesn't come back and causes a goal. Don't criticize when he actually makes the effort to take the third man coming back, while making a very standard play in the offensive zone for net drivers - to which, there weren't any.
 

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When does Dorion come on... You could sell a lot of Dog Shit before that game.

Pierre Dorion night is later in the year. As part of the promotion, the concessions will not issue correct change. So if you want a $10 popcorn and only have a $20, you have to give them the $20.

For some reason, they are giving out Hamonic bobbleheads that night.
 

Big Muddy

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The twitter account that posted the vid/analysis (everydaysens) loooooooves Chabot. Does not treat him like a scapegoat at all. That's the first time I've ever seen that account criticize him.

Just goes to show how frequent Chabot's shots from the corner are becoming if even his biggest defender on twitter is calling him out on it.
My post was a general comment. It wasn’t aimed at that twitter account, or Chabot. Lots of opinions on the Internet, not all (an understatement) of which are correct. People love to "pile on" something negative, especially on social media. Again, this comment is general in nature.
 

Big Muddy

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Yeah, perhaps analysis was too vague a word.


It was a waste of a post. Post when Chabot legit stands there in the offensive zone and doesn't come back and causes a goal. Don't criticize when he actually makes the effort to take the third man coming back, while making a very standard play in the offensive zone for net drivers - to which, there weren't any.
Yes, I was just picking up on your theme that the analysis (or whatever other term might be used) may not be correct.
 
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Pierre Dorion night is later in the year. As part of the promotion, the concessions will not issue correct change. So if you want a $10 popcorn and only have a $20, you have to give them the $20.

For some reason, they are giving out Hamonic bobbleheads that night.
The concessions also will not disclose there's salmonella in the food they're selling. But you will get a 2nd round pick for free.
 

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Yeah, perhaps analysis was too vague a word.


It was a waste of a post. Post when Chabot legit stands there in the offensive zone and doesn't come back and causes a goal. Don't criticize when he actually makes the effort to take the third man coming back, while making a very standard play in the offensive zone for net drivers - to which, there weren't any.

I'm sorry, but take a look below at the shot Chabot took. It directly led to an LA breakout, rush chance and disallowed goal.

I don't know in what universe that decision making doesn't deserve criticism (again, forget the backcheck - just the shot selection).

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I'm sorry, but take a look below at the shot Chabot took. It directly led to an LA breakout, rush chance and disallowed goal.

I don't know in what universe that decision making doesn't deserve criticism (again, forget the backcheck - just the shot selection).

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this is really not that bad

I thought Chabot looked alright. He has had some iffy moments but I think he is improving each game. I am mostly worred about the puck skills of the bottom pair so they aren't getting stuck in their zone
 

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this is really not that bad

I thought Chabot looked alright. He has had some iffy moments but I think he is improving each game. I am mostly worred about the puck skills of the bottom pair so they aren't getting stuck in their zone
I agree. He had a few derp moments in the offensive zone, but otherwise was pretty good at moving the puck up the ice.
 

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If Linus was in net, we win that game pretty easily

The Chabot hate is nuts. It reminds of the Jason Spezza days. Makes 1 mistake and all of a sudden he's the worst player and needs to be traded.
 
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If Linus was in net, we win that game pretty easily

This is what some people forget at times. Even the best teams and best defensemen miss assignments and give up chances in the slot or from a bad angle or even in close.

If we gave up anything close to resembling an okay-ish opportunity it felt like it was a 50/50 coin flip that our goalie would stop it or let it in.
 
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I'm sorry, but take a look below at the shot Chabot took. It directly led to an LA breakout, rush chance and disallowed goal.

I don't know in what universe that decision making doesn't deserve criticism (again, forget the backcheck - just the shot selection).

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I don't think he's trying to score from there but rather give the forward coming in at the top of the circle a rebound.
 
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Ya hard to argue that, and Batherson seems like one of the worst in that end, to me at least. I like that he's in position, so kudos to him for that, and I don't expect him to be a force defensively, but not moving your feet quickly and waving a stick at a guy coming with speed, as you give him 6 or so feet to work with, is no mans land for a defender.

It seemed to me like Hammer and Chabot actually played the other guy well enough but it's tough when there's so many bodies with so much speed all heading towards the net. Sometimes, that puck just gets willed off someone on those.

Yeah, Tkachuk and Batherson are among our 2 worst forwards defensively. Giroux has been great for a long time but he's 36 now... Perron is ok but also 36. Pinto and Greig are going to be very good defensively but still lack a bit of experience. Stutzle is young and developing, his defensive game is already much better than Bath and Tkachuk. Norris can be very good but struggled with injuries for a while. Amadio, Gregor and Cousins are ok but nothing special defensively, probably average for bottom-6 forwards.

And to me, this is one of the team weaknesses, not enough good 2-way forwards. I'd qualify Stutzle, Norris, Pinto and Greig (with Giroux) as the only good ones in that aspect. Which is why I'd like the management to focus on that aspect when acquiring forwards.

And yeah regarding the sequence, looking at it again, only Chabot and Hamonic played that adequately, the 2 other Kings players were covered well enough but Batherson gave away too much time and space which created the situation

At around 9 seconds, you can see that Chabot identifies the trailer as his man and follows him in.

I'm not particularly enamored with the soft stick check as he's driving the net.

Yeah he got the right guy but he was also close to get a penalty on the play. If he tangles the guy, he gets called for interference so maybe I would have liked his stick on the ice trying to stop/deflect the pass or even better, force the puck carrier to shoot as you remove the pass option. Or, tie up the stick effectively as he missed it. I hope the new coaching staff is strong on attention to details, that's what we need to improve

that is horrific shot selection from chabot. You simply cannot give the puck away when you’re the d man. You’re in the corner and your forwards are joining in. Chabot put everyone in a bad spot

Chabot is an offense driver, he was among the elite in that aspect just 2 years ago and I think he'll get back to this if he can manage to stay healthy. He's very much like Karlsson as they have the same strengths and weaknesses, he's just not nearly generational like EK.

So it's normal that Chabot is going to jump in the offense and try to create a chance/OZ time. Hamonic would have dumped it in, are you not among those who complains that we dump and chase a lot? Like I explained, the problem is how the 3 Sens player are initially positioned and then that Batherson was the guy covering for Chabot. Not sure if it's because Gregor is new on the team but it's also new systems for everybody. Norris/Gregor should have drove the net with more authority/quickness, or one of them should have went behind the net right away for a cycle option. They seemed hesitant or had a miscommunication so they were a bit lost on the play.

But then again, you're complaining for nothing, not much would have happened if Batherson played defense at a minimum NHL standard or if Clarke didn't run into the goalie.

In fairness I think Forsberg only really let in one bad goal (the 3rd one). It looks like the 2nd one hit off Trevor Lewis.

I’d still go back to him on Thursday if our only two options are him and Sogaard. Still, first choice would be to go with Merilainen.

Yeah that was a Lewis deflection, those are very hard to stop. Can't blame him on the first 2 goals. I also go back to him but what do you do with the backup? Sogaard confidence is shaken (again), if the Devils score 3 goals in the first 25 minutes, we're screwed. They ill play/defend better than the Kings did yesterday so the backup would have the be perfect after coming in relief if we'd want to have a chance to win
 
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Yeah he got the right guy but he was also close to get a penalty on the play. If he tangles the guy, he gets called for interference so maybe I would have liked his stick on the ice trying to stop/deflect the pass or even better, force the puck carrier to shoot as you remove the pass option. Or, tie up the stick effectively as he missed it.

As a former defenceman myself, it's pretty much defense 101 to play the man and not even look at where the puck is or where it's going. You try to get goal side on him and drive your shoulder into him as he's getting near the net.

It looks more like he's escorting him in, and by coasting, allows him by to get goal side and then pulls a belated slash/hook which has no hope of stopping any kind of momentum at all. Chabot was in good position but abdicated it entirely when his marker accelerated a bit.

The whole sequence wasn't a particularly good one from him. I saw plenty of mistakes in the game by lots of guys though. Just sloppy in general.

Chabot has a bit of a magnifying glass on him because of his salary, his status on the team and his more consistent penchant for casual play at the worst times.
 
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