GDT: LA Kings vs Calgary Flames @6:00

[Fishhead]

But, for now maybe, or if we have no choice, is this our best? Or have we already seen our best situation? Folin figures in

I think with Folin in, that at least gives us 2 right shots, which helps a lot. Not to mention it gets MacD out of the lineup.

Short term I would go

Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Folin
Gravel/Fantenberg-Martinez

Martinez hasn't been great and his linemates are always questionable, but I think he's the most comfortable on his off side.

Give LaDue a shot after the break if nothing materializes.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

He is literally exactly what the Kings need. A RH d-man who can play 20 minutes a night, can play 2nd unit PP and PK and just happens to be 25 and making $1M a year.

And that pick was right in the wheelhouse to get a damn good forward. Easily one of the worst trades in team history.

Imagine the Kings now with Barzal down the middle and Colin Miller on the second pair. f***ing Deano with a back breaking trade that set the team back for years.

 

[deaderhead28]

I was literally just talking about the immediate future with Folin back, not the post-deadline/playoff lineup

Yeah but we still have another deadline coming to fill the defense hole and really give this squad a decent chance at being competitive in making not just the playoffs,but a credible long playoff run.I want to see the team succeed,and trust Blake will fill the hole that many now see a huge need to fill.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

He is literally exactly what the Kings need. A RH d-man who can play 20 minutes a night, can play 2nd unit PP and PK and just happens to be 25 and making $1M a year.

And that pick was right in the wheelhouse to get a damn good forward. Easily one of the worst trades in team history.

Colin Miller is literally dead last amongst VGK d-men in TOI/GP, and 2nd to last only to Theodore in PK time. He's got the worst relative GF% on the team despite a relative zone start ratio of 18.66. (for context, Burns was getting made fun of last year for having half of that at 9.95 since Vlasic ate the hard minutes). Only 25% of his starts are in the d-zone. And that's with by far the softest competition on the team.

He's being used as an offensive and PP specialist and still isn't turning up roses at even strength despite some of the most favorable, softest minutes in the NHL (top 5 softest deployment). This is truly a grass-is-greener scenario where you have your stats completely wrong. Having that guy in a top-4 role instead of who we have now doesn't solve any of our problems except maybe handedness. He's essentially Jamie McBain right now. Or maybe Fantenberg. Hell, you basically just described Derek Forbort to a T minus being a right shot (right down to the age and salary!), and we know how you feel about Forbs.

The org felt they could let Miller go because LaDue was on the way and only time will tell if they were right with LaDue, but this is a whole lot of crying over spilt milk considering after trading for him and playing him in the bottom six all year Boston thought so highly of him they let him go. You can call it a waste of an asset and I won't even bother fighting that at this point, but suggesting Colin Miller is this team's missing link...well, you see the above.

 

[Sol]

Delet this

 

[Fishhead]

Miller wasn't the answer, in fact, I don't think anyone in the organization ever was, LaDue included. The team is going to need to go outside to address this. The trade might sting, but if it slots guys into appropriate roles and they have a little time to build chemistry, this team has a good of chance as anyone to come out of the west.

 

[KingsFan7824]

This team would look a lot better today with Schenn and Simmonds too. The only thing keeping that trade from being maybe the disaster in franchise history is the Cup win, and they had to double down on another big trade before the Richards deal was ultimately worth the risk. Without the Cup win, the Penner deal is a pretty bad one too, even if they rid themselves of Teubert in the process. There's a couple guys they missed out on with that 2011 pick.

You can say the Penner, Richards, and Carter deals are all different than Lucic, and that's true, but the context of when the trades were made is different too. I can't know this since I'm not in Lombardi's brain, but my theory is that I don't know if they make the Lucic deal if they at least make the playoffs in 2015. If they did, Carolina gets the 2015 pick, but they can't win the McDavid lottery with it. However, since they missed the playoffs, Carolina got the 2016 pick. Since cracks are starting to show by the team actually missing the playoffs in 2015, if they miss in 2016 as well, and Carolina wins the Matthews lottery with that pick, we never remember they won the Cup twice. Losing Matthews would be the only topic of discussion ever posted on this board again.

Of course, the nadir, crux, or fulcrum of all of this is Voynov. If he had been around, there's at least not as big of a need for Sekera. Maybe they trade for him anyway, but they're not anywhere near as desperate. Maybe they use the Sekera assets for a longer term version of Lucic. Maybe they keep the pick. Whatever they would've done, Voynov, more than anyone else, is the player they currently need, and have needed for the last 3 years. With all the other roster issues they've had, they didn't need Voynov as the cherry on top, but that's exactly what they got.

 

[Bandit]

This team would look a lot better today with Schenn and Simmonds too. 1The only thing keeping that trade from being maybe the disaster in franchise history is the Cup win, and they had to double down on another big trade before the Richards deal was ultimately worth the risk. Without the Cup win, the Penner deal is a pretty bad one too, even if they rid themselves of Teubert in the process. There's a couple guys they missed out on with that 2011 pick.

You can say the Penner, Richards, and Carter deals are all different than Lucic, and that's true, but the context of when the trades were made is different too. I can't know this since I'm not in Lombardi's brain, but my theory is that I don't know if they make the Lucic deal if they at least make the playoffs in 2015. If they did, Carolina gets the 2015 pick, but they can't win the McDavid lottery with it. However, since they missed the playoffs, Carolina got the 2016 pick. Since cracks are starting to show by the team actually missing the playoffs in 2015, 2if they miss in 2016 as well, and Carolina wins the Matthews lottery with that pick, we never remember they won the Cup twice. Losing Matthews would be the only topic of discussion ever posted on this board again.

3Of course, the nadir, crux, or fulcrum of all of this is Voynov. If he had been around, there's at least not as big of a need for Sekera. Maybe they trade for him anyway, but they're not anywhere near as desperate. Maybe they use the Sekera assets for a longer term version of Lucic. Maybe they keep the pick. Whatever they would've done, Voynov, more than anyone else, is the player they currently need, and have needed for the last 3 years. With all the other roster issues they've had, they didn't need Voynov as the cherry on top, but that's exactly what they got.

1. Oh, is THAT all? Just winning the cup? Twice. Some people live a lifetime and never see their team win. I'd trade Schenn & Simmonds for a bag of peanuts if it meant winning the cup once let alone twice.

2. Anyone with that mindset probably should seek professional help. Again two cups, I don't care if the Lucic pick was used to select the next Gretzky (We had him in his prime, remember? Didn't win shit). I will NEVER forget being at Staples Center watching Brown lift the cup, and would much rather talk about that than piss and moan about how lost out on some pig-nosed kid that can't spell his own first name right.

3. Agree with you wholeheartedly on the Voynov bit, his stupidity royally f***ed us no question, and we're still trying to fill that gap.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I read that line as tongue-in-cheek but I understand why you can never can tell around here lately

 

[Bandit]

I read that line as tongue-in-cheek but I understand why you can never can tell around here lately

Oh I’m not even saying he’s wrong, plenty of people here that would bitch forever about having spent 75 cents on a year with Margot Robbie after it was over.

 

[Sol]

Bring Voynov back pls.