Speculation: LA Kings Offseason Thread

[Chazz Reinhold]

Again, we play in an AHL division, the stats are highly inflated. Our PP is not scary at all.

Do you think before you post or do you just say "f*** it, I'll make it up as I go"? (It's a rhetorical question.)

Kings power play against division teams: 20/79 = 25.3%
Kings power play against all other opponents: 48/190 = (wait for it...) 25.3%

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I know we aren't back to our "our powerplay is our enforcer" stuff lol

and again, I think everyone is roughly on the same page about team toughness, we're arguing the finer points

I just don't think one bottom line at best player moves the needle. The team has to have that mentality, it's a conscious choice.

Sure we'd like to have a Crouse, a Benn, some player who will drag you into the fight and not be a liability, but some top teams don't have players any wilder than ours. Look at the finalists, most of them are just pack mentalities, not a 13th forward/7th dman cruising out there to fight someone who took a cheap shot.

In fact, if you go deep--those guys are liabilities, not benefits.

 

[FrozenKing18]

All in all, whole team just need to “nut up” and actually push back. At least for me, i’m not wanting to see anyone out there dropping the gloves, or jumping opponents for clean hits and going to the box for no reason. Hit em back cleanly next shift and set the tone.

 

[Maynard]

The attitude of team toughness won’t be seen here for at least 3 more years. Until the leaders change, we’re the Los Angeles Byngs.

 

[Sol]

spoken like a guy thats never been hit in the neck by the leading edge of a blocker. man sol, for for as much as you run down players, you must have been one helluva hockey player at some point because of course, to be THAT critical of players play, you must have achieved better at some point. please enlighten us all as to your invention of and overall supremacy in the game.
you even take your cynicism to levels that are pathological. like criticizing korpisalo's visual blinking tic. what the f*** kind of a person makes fun of physical handicaps?
you're shits f***ing tired, dude.
and yeah, you can consider me baited.

What ticks did I make fun of? Wtf. I don’t even remember if he had any weird visual ticks and if I did I would not make fun of someone for it. You must have me confused with someone else. The most disgusting thing a person can do is make fun of someone with handicaps. You got me confused with someone else. If I did see something like that I’d probably be asking about what that’s about not making fun of them. This is nuts. I even liked Korpisalo for the most part so I have no idea what the f*** you’re going on about.

Also, why are you getting so upset that I don’t like people characterizing players as something they’re not. Quick was considered a bad ass by many and he never dropped the gloves once. Im not wrong.

 

[johnjm22]

Rob Blake (D) | HockeyFights

Rob Blake (D)

www.hockeyfights.com

I count Rob Blake had 25 fights in his career. He's a big guy, 6'4" 230lbs, and was also known for laying out big "butt checks".

So I don't get. Why would he not care about size/toughness/physicality?

 

[Johnny Utah]

I know we aren't back to our "our powerplay is our enforcer" stuff lol

and again, I think everyone is roughly on the same page about team toughness, we're arguing the finer points

I just don't think one bottom line at best player moves the needle. The team has to have that mentality, it's a conscious choice.

Sure we'd like to have a Crouse, a Benn, some player who will drag you into the fight and not be a liability, but some top teams don't have players any wilder than ours. Look at the finalists, most of them are just pack mentalities, not a 13th forward/7th dman cruising out there to fight someone who took a cheap shot.

In fact, if you go deep--those guys are liabilities, not benefits.

The finals team included Vegas - who has arguably one of the toughest big men on D in Nic Hague. In addition to Carrier who has experience fighting heavyweights and can score/hit. In addition, to Kolesar, who can also fight, hit, and skate.

Florida had one of the most punishing hitters in the league in Gudas, agitators in Cousins and Tkachuk and also Ryan Lomberg, who can fight, hit and skate. Also, Sam Bennett is a very underrated fighter and can hit/score also.

Do the Kings have one of any of the players above - yes, his name is Englund. You can argue that PLD and Kempe have an edge and can scrap if needed. Same with Danault. Besides that, the team is soft as Erewhon toilet paper.

 

[chris kontos]

Hey sol:
I apologize. I read your post wrong then and i read your post wrong now. It was unfair what i wrote. What you asked was roughly- whats up with thing with his eyes- it was right after the trade for him and korp. Look back thru your post history and you'll see it. My apologies.
Also no quick's no badass . But he's also not an idiot like hextall or smith. Goalies are ridiculous as scrappers. After what quick did for this franchise im kinda defensive about him and the way your boy blake treated him. Thats my issue. Also until i have a skill level thats greater than a player i try not to get on his ass too much. Otherwise id be out there doing what he does.

 

[psych3man]

Todd better play this kid on #1 OT

 

[King'sPawn]

The finals team included Vegas - who has arguably one of the toughest big men on D in Nic Hague. In addition to Carrier who has experience fighting heavyweights and can score/hit. In addition, to Kolesar, who can also fight, hit, and skate.

Florida had one of the most punishing hitters in the league in Gudas, agitators in Cousins and Tkachuk and also Ryan Lomberg, who can fight, hit and skate. Also, Sam Bennett is a very underrated fighter and can hit/score also.

Do the Kings have one of any of the players above - yes, his name is Englund. You can argue that PLD and Kempe have an edge and can scrap if needed. Same with Danault. Besides that, the team is soft as Erewhon toilet paper.

And yet Gudas and Tkachuk himself didn't stop Tkachuk from getting Tkachuked.

But Vegas wouldn't have taken out Tkachuk if Florida had Englund, right?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The finals team included Vegas - who has arguably one of the toughest big men on D in Nic Hague. In addition to Carrier who has experience fighting heavyweights and can score/hit. In addition, to Kolesar, who can also fight, hit, and skate.

Florida had one of the most punishing hitters in the league in Gudas, agitators in Cousins and Tkachuk and also Ryan Lomberg, who can fight, hit and skate. Also, Sam Bennett is a very underrated fighter and can hit/score also.

Do the Kings have one of any of the players above - yes, his name is Englund. You can argue that PLD and Kempe have an edge and can scrap if needed. Same with Danault. Besides that, the team is soft as Erewhon toilet paper.

Nic Hague had all of two fights in 100 games last season, you're romanticizing him. Carrier--not one single fight and 4th line minutes. Kolesar is the only 'legitimate' of the type of player you're wanting to describe, and he was limited in the finals for being a liability. Vegas isn't soft, but it's not because of these three.

Florida you just named 4 good-to-excellent regular players and a plug. That would be the equivalent of Fiala, Kempe, Iafallo, and Roy being actual bruisers. That's exactly the 'pack mentality' I described, not some dumbass like Englund.

We want the same thing, I just want it out of my whole lineup, not some token f***in 1 million dollar pinata on the bottom of the lineup stealing time from legitimate players and prospects.

All we're going to get from Englund isn't players feeling emboldened/spicy because he's got their back, they know he's a shitty journeyman that isn't long for the NHL, he's just going to take an instigator and get filled in by an actual NHLer when one of our actual NHL players gets wrecked by someone soft like Cogliano and Kempe et. al. don't push back. This guy doesn't move the needle in the slightest.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If you guys want a good laugh, take a look at this list of top Kings prospects circa 2014-15.

LA Kings 2014-15 Prospect Rankings: The Coveted Top 5

mayorsmanor.com

Nick Shore and Valentin Zykov ranked ahead of Adrian Kempe, and both in the top 3.

Then we have this gem:

LA Kings 2017 Mid-Season Prospect Rankings: Top Two Players Revealed

mayorsmanor.com

LaDue is nearly untouchable when it comes to trades being considered by GM Dean Lombardi. That’s not to say it’s impossible (we all know the adage, even Wayne Gretzky was traded); but more to the point that it would have to be an overpayment of epic proportions to pry him from the pipeline. This label is not something we throw around lightly either.

 

[Lt Dan]

Again, we play in an AHL division, the stats are highly inflated. Our PP is not scary at all.

LOL. the pacific is the division that won the cup and the only division touching the world's largest and best ocean


The AHL division was the central

 

[bland]

Rob Blake (D) | HockeyFights

Rob Blake (D)

www.hockeyfights.com

I count Rob Blake had 25 fights in his career. He's a big guy, 6'4" 230lbs, and was also known for laying out big "butt checks".

So I don't get. Why would he not care about size/toughness/physicality?

I think 72 of those 25 fights were against Andrei Nazarov.

 

[Sol]

Hey sol:
I apologize. I read your post wrong then and i read your post wrong now. It was unfair what i wrote. What you asked was roughly- whats up with thing with his eyes- it was right after the trade for him and korp. Look back thru your post history and you'll see it. My apologies.
Also no quick's no badass . But he's also not an idiot like hextall or smith. Goalies are ridiculous as scrappers. After what quick did for this franchise im kinda defensive about him and the way your boy blake treated him. Thats my issue. Also until i have a skill level thats greater than a player i try not to get on his ass too much. Otherwise id be out there doing what he does.

Bro I hate Blake lol. They mistreated him for sure but yeah I’m just saying that element about him just rubbed me the wrong way a lot.

No problem. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Surf Nutz]

As an aside, I know people know I wasn’t the biggest Quick fan. But what really annoyed me about him was that I felt he had this reputation among fans as a bad ass but the guys gloves were GLUED on his entire career. The fake tough guy act annoyed me a lot. Mike Smith of all people has fought in the NHL but Quick hasn’t.

If Quick had fought he might have gotten his bell ring and things could have spiraled.
His acrobatic and puck focused style would not be helped by head shots.
Also as someone listed above the Kings had the fighting covered.
Quick was smart did his job and stood up for himself without costing the team and you want him to go Octagon and risk playing crucial role in the Kings only 2 cups.
Bad ass was his Connie win performance in 2012.
LMAO at another chuckle head comment siding with you.
Ah the boys club.
Proceed with your ambiguous inmate talk...

Quick proved you wrong, so wrong!
I credit you for owning your mis assessment of a future hall of famer but it does not seem like you learned much from it.
Your assessments are mostly crap.

Guys are making a strong case for Englund in the lineup , but that would mean that D pairs one and 2 get almost all the minutes and 3 pair gets very little.
Not what you want to pair Spence or Clarke with.
They might as well be in the AHL getting needed minutes for development/transition.
Might as well have Conaughton play 3 pair RD or Santini.
God forbid we are playing a young guy on the wrong side like Bjo or MO, again.

Guys are right about team toughness but one legit fighter is the foundation that is built on.
We will see if Englund does anything and where Blake and TMac put him.
Classic Meltdown comments from Kuntas on Soil,
Loved that, I had to cheat and read his post because I blocked that guy , sick of his attempts at humor and he was repeatedly disrespectful
I want to be respectful because it could be related to his career and getting head shots.
His comments are lo lo often.

These needs and the 2nd rate goalies are obvious, Blake is going for it all, with him and TMacs extensions on the line and backed up against the cap,

 

[tigermask48]

Then we have this gem:

LA Kings 2017 Mid-Season Prospect Rankings: Top Two Players Revealed

mayorsmanor.com

That's incredible! As was this:
"It is not inconceivable to categorize LaDue as the best defensive prospect the Kings have seen since Drew Doughty."

 

[johnjm22]

LOL. the pacific is the division that won the cup and the only division touching the world's largest and best ocean


The AHL division was the central

Yeah I don’t get the whole “Pacific division sucks” thing.

Pacific was the only division with four 100 point teams, plus we had the cup winner.

Even the the 5th best team in our division had enough points to make the playoffs in the East.

Not to mention the two best players in the league play in the Pacific.

 

[johnjm22]

Then we have this gem:

LA Kings 2017 Mid-Season Prospect Rankings: Top Two Players Revealed

mayorsmanor.com

I like the honorable mentions part. Cernak couldn’t even make the top 10. He was behind Kurtis MacDermid.

I remember when people thought LaDue would the key piece in a potential trade for Landeskog.

I’m still kind of surprised PL didn’t become an NHL regular at least as a 6th/7th dman.

 

[Maynard]

If Quick had fought he might have gotten his bell ring and things could have spiraled.
His acrobatic and puck focused style would not be helped by head shots.
Also as someone listed above the Kings had the fighting covered.
Quick was smart did his job and stood up for himself without costing the team and you want him to go Octagon and risk playing crucial role in the Kings only 2 cups.
Bad ass was his Connie win performance in 2012.
LMAO at another chuckle head comment siding with you.
Ah the boys club.
Proceed with your ambiguous inmate talk...

Quick proved you wrong, so wrong!
I credit you for owning your mis assessment of a future hall of famer but it does not seem like you learned much from it.
Your assessments are mostly crap.

Guys are making a strong case for Englund in the lineup , but that would mean that D pairs one and 2 get almost all the minutes and 3 pair gets very little.
Not what you want to pair Spence or Clarke with.
They might as well be in the AHL getting needed minutes for development/transition.
Might as well have Conaughton play 3 pair RD or Santini.
God forbid we are playing a young guy on the wrong side like Bjo or MO, again.

Guys are right about team toughness but one legit fighter is the foundation that is built on.
We will see if Englund does anything and where Blake and TMac put him.
Classic Meltdown comments from Kuntas on Soil,
Loved that, I had to cheat and read his post because I blocked that guy , sick of his attempts at humor and he was repeatedly disrespectful
I want to be respectful because it could be related to his career and getting head shots.
His comments are lo lo often.

These needs and the 2nd rate goalies are obvious, Blake is going for it all, with him and TMacs extensions on the line and backed up against the cap,

Oh AxlChoads, you missed the whole point again. Nobody is knocking Quick. We’re knocking the confused fans that think he’s a tough guy, or someone to be feared in any way at all. Does that help you understand the point better?

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Comparing Englund to Gudas and Tkachuk.

Johnny you’ve gone too far.

 

[Trash Panda]

If you guys want a good laugh, take a look at this list of top Kings prospects circa 2014-15.

LA Kings 2014-15 Prospect Rankings: The Coveted Top 5

mayorsmanor.com

Nick Shore and Valentin Zykov ranked ahead of Adrian Kempe, and both in the top 3.

Then we have this gem:

LA Kings 2017 Mid-Season Prospect Rankings: Top Two Players Revealed

mayorsmanor.com

Shining example of the ole standard:

“Don’t marry yourself to prospects”

 

[Surf Nutz]

https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AATXAJzmn57Oxy62DY0S9wm-VmokEk-aoZcPAIsXjA=s900-c-k-c0xffffffff-no-rj-mo

Oh AxlChoads, you missed the whole point again. Nobody is knocking Quick. We’re knocking the confused fans that think he’s a tough guy, or someone to be feared in any way at all. Does that help you understand the point better?

http://www.atarimania.com/goodies/hi_res/ice_hockey_patch.jpg

 

[Surf Nutz]

Bro I hate Blake lol. They mistreated him for sure but yeah I’m just saying that element about him just rubbed me the wrong way a lot.

No problem. Thanks for clarifying.

mania hockey - Bing

 

[Reaper45]

I like the honorable mentions part. Cernak couldn’t even make the top 10. He was behind Kurtis MacDermid.

I remember when people thought LaDue would the key piece in a potential trade for Landeskog.

I’m still kind of surprised PL didn’t become an NHL regular at least as a 6th/7th dman.

Paul LaDue was just another Scott Parse. A prospect completely overrated by Kings fans.