Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[kingsfan]

As much as we talk about trading for bigger names, I think the only way we do so is for a guy who Blake thinks is part of the long-term future (Chychrun, Laine, etc.) If it's for a rental, I assume he'll just deal for depth or guys who are mostly one trick ponies that might be great one area (PP) to try and catch lightning in a bottle. So like a Tyler Ennis. Granted we already have one in AA, so maybe he does almost nothing. I expect a trade just to throw the guys a bone and make it look like he's helping them but nothing that's going to cost them a high draft pick or prospect.

 

[Schmooley]

As much as we talk about trading for bigger names, I think the only way we do so is for a guy who Blake thinks is part of the long-term future (Chychrun, Laine, etc.) If it's for a rental, I assume he'll just deal for depth or guys who are mostly one trick ponies that might be great one area (PP) to try and catch lightning in a bottle. So like a Tyler Ennis. Granted we already have one in AA, so maybe he does almost nothing. I expect a trade just to throw the guys a bone and make it look like he's helping them but nothing that's going to cost them a high draft pick or prospect.

Chychrun and Laine would take this team to the next level and they wouldnt have to give up too much that will hurt the team. Kupari, Vilardi, Andersson, JAD, Fagemo, Madden, first round picks, maybe roster players like Roy, Walker, Grundstrom. I think they can get it done and be set up for a competitive first round of the playoffs this year and be setup for a good young team to grow together for the next decade.

 

[Herby]

As much as we talk about trading for bigger names, I think the only way we do so is for a guy who Blake thinks is part of the long-term future (Chychrun, Laine, etc.) If it's for a rental, I assume he'll just deal for depth or guys who are mostly one trick ponies that might be great one area (PP) to try and catch lightning in a bottle. So like a Tyler Ennis. Granted we already have one in AA, so maybe he does almost nothing. I expect a trade just to throw the guys a bone and make it look like he's helping them but nothing that's going to cost them a high draft pick or prospect.

That is possible, the Halpern/Modin model from 2010.

Some things to consider though, the Kings weren't in a weak division in a divisional playoff model. We would have had to go through Vancouver (4th best team in NHL), Chicago (3rd) and San Jose (2nd) to reach the finals. This season the Kings would have to likely beat Vegas and Calgary and then whoever wins the central (obviously a good team). It's an easier path.

In 2010 Kopitar and Doughty were 22 and 20, today they are 34 and 32. The Kings also have a better and deeper prospect pool to trade from than they did in that season.

 

[kingsfan]

That is possible, the Halpern/Modin model from 2010.

Some things to consider though, the Kings weren't in a weak division in a divisional playoff model. We would have had to go through Vancouver (4th best team in NHL), Chicago (3rd) and San Jose (2nd) to reach the finals. This season the Kings would have to likely beat Vegas and Calgary and then whoever wins the central (obviously a good team). It's an easier path.

In 2010 Kopitar and Doughty were 22 and 20, today they are 34 and 32. The Kings also have a better and deeper prospect pool to trade from than they did in that season.

I agree with all those points.

My thought process is that the club is just now returning to the playoffs after a long hiatus (assuming we don't hit a wall in the second half) and we aren't likely going to go to far, even if we did add a major piece. Really, take the biggest name you've heard on the market and add him to the Kings without removing anything ta all from the current line up and we're still not close to being a favorite.

Instead I think Blake will do a minor deal to throw a cookie to the boys for a stronger than expected season but really this rebuild is about next year and the years after so there's no real gain to throw out significant picks or prospects on a rental when we're likely to get just as many games in with the current crew.

Next year we'll have some of these kids with a full season under their belt and still have Danault, Arvisson, Kopitar, etc all playing well, so we should be even better by then and it'd make more sense to trade away key assets for more immediate needs at that point.

 

[kings11]

I agree with all those points.

My thought process is that the club is just now returning to the playoffs after a long hiatus (assuming we don't hit a wall in the second half) and we aren't likely going to go to far, even if we did add a major piece. Really, take the biggest name you've heard on the market and add him to the Kings without removing anything ta all from the current line up and we're still not close to being a favorite.

Instead I think Blake will do a minor deal to throw a cookie to the boys for a stronger than expected season but really this rebuild is about next year and the years after so there's no real gain to throw out significant picks or prospects on a rental when we're likely to get just as many games in with the current crew.

Next year we'll have some of these kids with a full season under their belt and still have Danault, Arvisson, Kopitar, etc all playing well, so we should be even better by then and it'd make more sense to trade away key assets for more immediate needs at that point.

I still think our big splash will be a Carson Soucy type player… if not, Carson Soucy lol

 

[Stimpythecat]

Just no high priced rentals, please.

 

[kingsfan]

I still think our big splash will be a Carson Soucy type player… if not, Carson Soucy lol

I'm not opposed to that. I wonder what the cost would be though. I assume a 2nd+ which to me I'd rather not do unless we were to resign him, which I'm not sure we do. We have Clarke coming in as early as next season, so who is he bumping out of the line up?

 

[funky]

We lack a dominant top 6 and have a terrible PP so we need to get scoring and production from all the lines to have a chance to do anything this season. And we have gaping holes on a line that is going to be expected to contribute down the stretch.

The Kings have a Top 8 defense in GA per game and are 20th in GF per game, not sure defense is that much more of a need than a scorer.

I believe a person has to take into account that a good offensive defenseman helps drive offence as well. We have Doughty and Durzi followed by 4 defensive Dman. A Dman like Chychrun for example helps out the forwards a ton by dishing out passes, reading the offence and finishing scoring chances. Would also spark our anemic power play.

 

[KingTech]

I would like to throw out a name as a rental that may be relatively cheap Cal Clutterbuck from the islanders. I think he would be a great fit with pepe and lizzotte. We need another physical forward who can help on the pk. If he works we look at resigning if not we let him go.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

I'm not opposed to that. I wonder what the cost would be though. I assume a 2nd+ which to me I'd rather not do unless we were to resign him, which I'm not sure we do. We have Clarke coming in as early as next season, so who is he bumping out of the line up?

Soucy has another year on his contract. He is the perfect bridge to Clarke.

 

[YP44]

Soucy has another year on his contract. He is the perfect bridge to Clarke.

I would be very interested in Soucy. Not even as a bridge to Clarke as Clarke is right shot is he not?

 

[bland]

I would be very interested in Soucy. Not even as a bridge to Clarke as Clarke is right shot is he not?

Totally different players inconsequential of each other, but yesh, Soucy would be a nice pull.

I am far more worried about the PK than PP.

 

[BringTheReign]

I would like to throw out a name as a rental that may be relatively cheap Cal Clutterbuck from the islanders. I think he would be a great fit with pepe and lizzotte. We need another physical forward who can help on the pk. If he works we look at resigning if not we let him go.

He's been okay this year thankfully, but I feel like his injuries the past two years have impacted his effectiveness. I don't think he's the physical, forechecking force that he used to be.

 

[YP44]

Totally different players inconsequential of each other, but yesh, Soucy would be a nice pull.

I am far more worried about the PK than PP.

agreed. Also more worried about PK as well.

I feel like we have the forwards for a good kill, but not the D (yet)

 

[YP44]

I would like to throw out a name as a rental that may be relatively cheap Cal Clutterbuck from the islanders. I think he would be a great fit with pepe and lizzotte. We need another physical forward who can help on the pk. If he works we look at resigning if not we let him go.

Yes he would be cheap, but I want to see Vilardi in the NHL on the wing this season. Getting another RW will not help.

 

[Kurrilino]

Chychrun and Laine would take this team to the next level and they wouldnt have to give up too much that will hurt the team. Kupari, Vilardi, Andersson, JAD, Fagemo, Madden, first round picks, maybe roster players like Roy, Walker, Grundstrom. I think they can get it done and be set up for a competitive first round of the playoffs this year and be setup for a good young team to grow together for the next decade.

This is pure illusion
Didn't you read what outrageous demand Phoenix had for Chychrun.
And even after those demands were met reportedly, Phoenix pulled back and said it's still not satisfying
You bet the asking price starts with Byfield and then we start adding until Phoenix says stop
Same for Laine who seems kinda happy now in Columbus. He is back to a .5 goals per game pace which would mean a 40 goal scorer.

The only reasonable thing we can do is a 1vs1 trade including our youngsters for another youngster who is either a scoring winger or a towering defender

 

[KingTech]

Yes he would be cheap, but I want to see Vilardi in the NHL on the wing this season. Getting another RW will not help.

Vilardi needs better linemates the pepe and lizzotte He needs to be in top 6 to succeed

 

[Kurrilino]

agreed. Also more worried about PK as well.

I feel like we have the forwards for a good kill, but not the D (yet)

I see it exactly the other way around.
Our forwards are AHL level without any killer instinct.
But We have a rock solid defense and as soon as we start scoring goals we see wins pouring in lately.
It's those 0-1 and 1-2 losing games that break our neck and this can't be fixed by defense

 

[YP44]

I see it exactly the other way around.
Our forwards are AHL level without any killer instinct.
But We have a rock solid defense and as soon as we start scoring goals we see wins pouring in lately.
It's those 0-1 and 1-2 losing games that break our neck and this can't be fixed by defense

I think Danault and Kopitar are a great 1/2 punch on the PK. Should not be as hard as it has been to put another forward on each PK line. Honestly could see a good role for Vilardi here as well.
Our D struggles to clear the crease and read some plays. I realize it takes longer for D to develop, and the answer to getting better D on the PK could come from internal growth. But getting a guy like Soucy would not hurt either.

 

[Schmooley]

This is pure illusion
Didn't you read what outrageous demand Phoenix had for Chychrun.
And even after those demands were met reportedly, Phoenix pulled back and said it's still not satisfying
You bet the asking price starts with Byfield and then we start adding until Phoenix says stop
Same for Laine who seems kinda happy now in Columbus. He is back to a .5 goals per game pace which would mean a 40 goal scorer.

The only reasonable thing we can do is a 1vs1 trade including our youngsters for another youngster who is either a scoring winger or a towering defender

The demands for Chychrun was met with Kravtsov as the main piece I think? The Kings can outdo that without giving up Byfield. Kupari Vilardi Walker 1st rounder etc.
If the Kings want to keep Kopitar you can do a deal for Laine involving Turcotte, Roy, first rounder + + in the offseason. Clarke/Faber should be ready to slot in for Roy next year. Columbus may not want to spend the dollars on a Laine extension if they are looking to stockpile and rebuild like the Jones trade signaled.
Maybe Im out to lunch but I dont think Byfield is an ask because no team has that type of asset to offer in a bidding war so why bid against yourself.

 

[johnjm22]

If the Kings make any deadline moves to try and improve the roster, I think it will be Modin/Halpern type moves, or a Lecavalier/Schenn type deal.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Blake said at the close of last season "we need to get better" and he did that, with Arvidsson, Danault and Edler. That was getting better and without any BIG names, or giving up much: just a 2nd and 3rd round pick. I think Blake is still in getting better mode - meaning just that - getting better by adding 1 or more equlivalent pieces like Danualt, Arvidsson, Edler, but this time, we see 1 or 2 prospects move to get that player(s) I don't see a rental or a marginal type veteran...but someone that improves the team and has term.

question: the mysterious Lias Andersson 'injured at practice' injury...has this ever been disclosed?
Or what his status is? Very strange. I had hopes for him this season and then this mysterious, undisclosed injury and no word for weeks.

 

[kings11]

I'm not opposed to that. I wonder what the cost would be though. I assume a 2nd+ which to me I'd rather not do unless we were to resign him, which I'm not sure we do. We have Clarke coming in as early as next season, so who is he bumping out of the line up?

For 1.5 seasons, it isn’t bad and you could likely recoup that if you trade him at next years TDL..
I wonder if they’d do AA+4th in ‘23

 

[Nickster]

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[No Name The Nameless]

For 1.5 seasons, it isn’t bad and you could likely recoup that if you trade him at next years TDL..
I wonder if they’d do AA+4th in ‘23

It will probably cost JAD and a second. Guys like Soucy can help every team in the league.