Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[DoktorJeep]

Y'all worry too much about drafting.
Land Forsberg this summer.
Make playoffs for a couple years
snag Mathews UFA

Profit!

Think the team would be better off adding a Trocheck, Copp style center to replace Lizotte with & have money to beef up the D too.

At least adding a scorer & fixing the PP will make the games more entertaining.

Kaliyev had a sneaky good year & should be ready to contribute in the top9. Got lots of good D prospects coming. Maybe a forward will come out of nowhere.

Get some scoring, face smashers & run over the weak division. I'm ready for October.

Land Allison this summer
make playoffs for a couple years
Snag Roenick for nothing

Go broke!

 

[FSL KINGS]

Land Allison this summer
make playoffs for a couple years
Snag Roenick for nothing

Go broke!

It'll work out this time, I promise.

King's are on the upswing. They are one of the few teams to make the playoffs & have cap to improve. Just improve team & keep it rolling. Plenty of areas to be improved.

 

[redcard]

The State income tax was not even a valid issue until 2018, when Trump capped SALT deductions in his Tax cuts and jobs act. Previously it was uncapped, which allowed you to deduct 100% of your state taxes from your federal tax. Now you may only deduct up to $10k.

Joe Biden has stated he wants to reverse this tax code change, so it could go away again.

Hockey fans have been talking about it forever, but there was 0 difference in taxes until 2018. Shows that its always been an overhyped topic.

(this comment does not reflect any political opinion, dont care for it, just trying to state what tax code changes happened)

That's not how it works, a deduction reduces your taxable income not your tax liability, and itemized deductions are also limited for high earners. Someone (~$5 mil income) who was paying $600k in state taxes in 2017 was only saving ~$180k in federal taxes with the SALT deduction. They were still out $420k.

 

[Sol]

There is no way to escape the CA taxation for athletes. The 183 days rule in CA is crazy enforced on people who make waaaaaaaaaaaay less, trust me. It would be illegal stuff to say you are there less than 183 days as a pro athlete. The NHL season basically runs from camp in September through April if you miss the playoffs and through June if you make the finals. Yes it is true if you are an athlete you pay alot of the taxes in the place you play but look at the Pacific Divison and where the teams are located. You get 2-3 games in Vegas and then the rest of your division games are California, Washington, BC and Alberta. Dadonov would have lost a significant amount of money going to the Ducks, both in income taxes and also in cost of living increase, unlike a teacher or accountant moving from NV to CA he wouldn't be getting a raise.

Always find it funny when people bitch and ask for more govt assistance while getting more taxation then complain about the cost of living. Then ignore that all while complaining about prices at the store and pump get higher while the dollar gets weaker. They vote these people in and get surprised when the big govt they advocate for bones them. Rinse and repeat. If I was an athlete I wouldn’t move to play here in socal and pay the clout tax of living here. Move to Texas or Florida. Keep your money and do whatever you want with it.

Also In the high likelihood that Byfield flops as well. It’s going to be A really really rough next few years again being a fan of this team. Especially trying to sign players here will be difficult too. Don’t see why anyone would discount Byfields play when he couldn’t string 2 good games together.

 

[JeanBlanc]

Isn't this really a Turcotte & Byfield issue only? Those are the one two top 15 pick guys who have the AHL/NHL issue for the Kings.
Turcotte, well sure -- almost everything that could go wrong (his injuries, college/AHL decision, Kings development, etc.) has gone wrong for that dude.
But Byfield, personally i discount his first year due to his extreme young age and being a big/tall dude -- that takes some additional time rather than a smaller / older age guy who is more apt to make that big step into the NHL. So really I consider this past season as his first. Under that context/theory, he fits right in with limited AHL time and into the NHL.

The rest of the Kings forward prospects are about where you would expect. What more can you expect from late 1st (Kupari) and all the other 2-7th round picks. Actually, Kaliyev has exceed expectations at his draft spot & age imo.

Yeah, but with a measured response like that, you don't get the dopamine hit from expressing rage and the follow-up hit of people responding in opposition to your absolutism.

 

[KINGS17]

Land Allison this summer
make playoffs for a couple years
Snag Roenick for nothing

Go broke!

Allison will be on the Kings roster by Christmas.

 

[Herby]

Yeah, but with a measured response like that, you don't get the dopamine hit from expressing rage and the follow-up hit of people responding in opposition to your absolutism.

Hit? I didn’t follow-up hit him. I made a factual statement that Kupari and Kaliyev were also in the AHL. I feel like I respectfully responded him but if not I apologize.

Btw did you even read the post I was responding to?

 

[FeartheFur]

This Byfield hate is ridiculous. How many goals did goals did Jack Hughes score his rookie year? 7. I guess he was a bust also. f***ing ridiculous.

 

[Choralone]

Hit? I didn’t follow-up hit him. I made a factual statement that Kupari and Kaliyev were also in the AHL. I feel like I respectfully responded him but if not I apologize.

Btw did you even read the post I was responding to?

In both cases he wrote "hit" to refer to a rush of dopamine - not that you were writing a hit piece or figuratively "hitting" him.

 

[Sol]

This Byfield hate is ridiculous. How many goals did goals did Jack Hughes score his rookie year? 7. I guess he was a bust also. f***ing ridiculous.

0.22 ppg vs 0.31 ppg in their rookie year. So jack Hughes was a much more productive player in his rookie year than Byfield…

Hischier had 52 points in his draft year. Stutzle outperforming Byfield.

It’s not byfield hate to point out the fact he’s looked like Garbage for 45 games in a row consistently. 5 goals 5 assists. 0.22ppg. Brutal. Unless you think he’s looked really promising.

 

[Martyros]

garbage or not. it's the first year in the pros. Some individuals don't even break out until after their draft team gives up on them 5 years later. Not that i'm suggesting trading him but I, myself, would like to give him another 2 full seasons before calling him a bust. I have seen some promise, but not as much as I expected from a fast 6'5 build.

 

[King'sPawn]

Yeah, but with a measured response like that, you don't get the dopamine hit from expressing rage and the follow-up hit of people responding in opposition to your absolutism.

Holy shit, the lengths people take to passive aggressively undermine any criticism or discussion is absurd.

 

[Herby]

Holy shit, the lengths people take to passive aggressively undermine any criticism or discussion is absurd.

It is what it is, they decide to criticize the poster rather than what they are posting. It happens here all the time, I know you get a lot of it too. I thought the statistical information about the Kings heavy reliance of their AHL affiliate compared to other teams was kind of eye opening but I guess it’s just drug induced rants.

And as far as Byfield, who is calling him a bust? Sometimes it seems like any criticism at all gets people to start throwing out the bust word. There are multiple levels between successful pick and bust pick, two years in Byfield is neither a successful pick or a bust pick. Based on where he went and what he has shown it’s fair to call him a disappointment with time to turn it around. But it is also fair to question what that season in the AHL did for his development. Age 18 is a big development year for NHL caliber prospects.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Imagine thinking the Kings would be playing Stutzle or Zegras in regular roles right now.

 

[Peter James Bond III]

Byfield has really not played with any top 6 talent on the team, or had much PP time.
Hughes, Hischier, Zegras, etc etc have all had time with the top talent on their teams and
have had ample PP time.

If Byfield was on PP 1 and playing with Kempe and Arvidsson, he would have scored more.
He's looked very good on the PP at times, cutting through the zone, skating with the puck, making
some plays. Hi shot is decent. He should have a bigger stick, though. Oh well.
Has looked strong on the boards and has come out with the puck. He missed 3 months
at the start of the season and fared pretty well, for the players he played with and his disjointed
icetime.

I expect him to have a good Summer, add 5-8 lbs of muscle and come out strong and determined.
He should be getting 15 TOI and PP time this coming season. If he does and plays with some better talent,
I think he scores 15-20 goals and has 40 pts. If he plays 3rd line and limited PP2 time, that may be difficult.
When was the last time any King third liner had 40 pts? Get AI off the PP forevermore and get players
that have offensive talent on unit 1. Danault should be on unit 2 as well. QB and Arty need to be on unit 1.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Also In the high likelihood that Byfield flops as well. It’s going to be A really really rough next few years again being a fan of this team. Especially trying to sign players here will be difficult too. Don’t see why anyone would discount Byfields play when he couldn’t string 2 good games together.

Bookmarked!

You realized your predictions (which are all very negative) have a very poor track record this past year?

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

And as far as Byfield, who is calling him a bust?

Sol, for one. But he's a smart guy, claimed that Danault was a brutal signing.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I think Byfield is 1-2 years away from impressing this fan-base. Haven't been blown away with any part of his game thus far, but I do find aspects of his game dynamic and you can see the potential.

Also, more excited with what I've seen from Byfield when compared to Alex Lafreniere.

 

[Rick Knickleback]

I think Byfield has underachieved, but I’m not yet disappointed because he’s still 19. Really need to see some tangible progress this year though.

That being said, what’s a good year for QB next year? Either in terms of points and/or his role?

Kopitar had 77 points as a 20 year old. He was also -15 on a team that finished near (at?) thf bottom of the division.

 

[Cianide]

I'm new here. What does it take to be an LA kings fan here on HF Boards

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

I'm new here. What does it take to be an LA kings fan here on HF Boards

You must get three out of four of the following correct:

1) Do you like the Vegas Golden Knights?

2) ________ ________ native Trevor Moore

3) __________ native Jason Robertson (the Dallas Stars guy)

4) ________ _______ native Matt Nieto (the Sharks guys)

 

[FSL KINGS]

0.22 ppg vs 0.31 ppg in their rookie year. So jack Hughes was a much more productive player in his rookie year than Byfield…

Hischier had 52 points in his draft year. Stutzle outperforming Byfield.

It’s not byfield hate to point out the fact he’s looked like Garbage for 45 games in a row consistently. 5 goals 5 assists. 0.22ppg. Brutal. Unless you think he’s looked really promising.

Byfield came in late to the season off a leg injury that affected his skating & endurance. When he got ice time, he got stuck with Brown. Byfield learned passing to Brown was a turnover. A few weeks ago by & everyone is wondering why Byfield is trying to skate through teams instead of passing to his wings.

I don't have any expectations for someone put in that environment, especially a 19 year old that finished the season with 42 games of NHL experience.

Next season will hopefully be better starting the season on time & with decent linemates. Love Brown, but his body stopped playing at an NHL level.

You must get three out of four of the following correct:

1) Do you like the Vegas Golden Knights?

2) ________ ________ native Trevor Moore

3) __________ native Jason Robertson (the Dallas Stars guy)

4) ________ _______ native Matt Nieto (the Sharks guys)

Isn't Jason Zucker from Cali too?

 

[HughJazz3dg]

Hey guys! Just lurking around here as I’m a big fan of a lot of your young guns (Byfield, Clarke, Faber Turcotte.)

Just because you guys are talking about something I watched first hand, thought I’d give you my opinion.

Hischier was pretty impressive based on expectations his first year, but point totals wise he was playing with Taylor Hall when he won the Hart. I could be wrong, but I believe Hischier was 2nd on the team for points with 40 less points than Hall. But what we did see was a consistent two way effort with flashes of excellent hands and vision.

Hughes’s first season he had a bit of a different experience… He played with Hall for a little while, but he played a ton with Wayne Simmonds, which just didn’t do much for Jack. But what you saw from Jack was a consistent work ethic with flashes of pure brilliance. He was extremely snake bitten his first year, and the Devils didn’t have anyone remotely capable of finishing his chances.

The reason why I came here was to ask about Byfield. I know he wasn’t producing much, but what did his play suggest?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Hey guys! Just lurking around here as I’m a big fan of a lot of your young guns (Byfield, Clarke, Faber Turcotte.)

Just because you guys are talking about something I watched first hand, thought I’d give you my opinion.

Hischier was pretty impressive based on expectations his first year, but point totals wise he was playing with Taylor Hall when he won the Hart. I could be wrong, but I believe Hischier was 2nd on the team for points with 40 less points than Hall. But what we did see was a consistent two way effort with flashes of excellent hands and vision.

Hughes’s first season he had a bit of a different experience… He played with Hall for a little while, but he played a ton with Wayne Simmonds, which just didn’t do much for Jack. But what you saw from Jack was a consistent work ethic with flashes of pure brilliance. He was extremely snake bitten his first year, and the Devils didn’t have anyone remotely capable of finishing his chances.

The reason why I came here was to ask about Byfield. I know he wasn’t producing much, but what did his play suggest?

A guy who was 80% CF% until he was saddled with Brown and Athanasiou, then every pass to Brown went off his stick and into a turnover, and every pass to Athanasiou was into a vacant spot where a King is supposed to be. It was all downhill from there.

 

[King'sPawn]

Hey guys! Just lurking around here as I’m a big fan of a lot of your young guns (Byfield, Clarke, Faber Turcotte.)

Just because you guys are talking about something I watched first hand, thought I’d give you my opinion.

Hischier was pretty impressive based on expectations his first year, but point totals wise he was playing with Taylor Hall when he won the Hart. I could be wrong, but I believe Hischier was 2nd on the team for points with 40 less points than Hall. But what we did see was a consistent two way effort with flashes of excellent hands and vision.

Hughes’s first season he had a bit of a different experience… He played with Hall for a little while, but he played a ton with Wayne Simmonds, which just didn’t do much for Jack. But what you saw from Jack was a consistent work ethic with flashes of pure brilliance. He was extremely snake bitten his first year, and the Devils didn’t have anyone remotely capable of finishing his chances.

The reason why I came here was to ask about Byfield. I know he wasn’t producing much, but what did his play suggest?

Thank you for the feedback.

As big a Byfield fan I am, he had a mixed bag with expectations, deployment and results.

At a micro level, his play ranged from "this is a special kid" to "he needs some time." His biggest strengths were protecting the puck, and moving with a purpose. In general, his ability to spot danger and shot placement were consistently the weakest.

Consequently, expectations from fans varied.

He often was sidled with Brown and/or Athanasiou. With Brown retiring (plus, towards season's end, he mentioned he lost the passion), he was probably the wrong vet to play alongside him. Athanasiou, as talented as he is, plays a very selfish and unstructured game, and there was a lack of cohesion. Needless to say, a chunk of fans were calling for him to be lined up with different teammates. His line was often hemmed in its own zone.

Once he had started playing with some players where they better clicked, the points still didn't come regularly, but there was more time in the offensive zone. They were no longer just one-and-done opportunities.

He's not Crosby or McDavid, where he automatically makes his linemates better. And that's okay. He does need a mix of skill AND chemistry on his line (unlike Kopitar, for example, who benefitted more from chemistry alone for most of his career).

Next season, I'm hoping he can get 35 points, which is good for a middle-six player. Those expectations change depending on:
- teammates (I said a lot of last season I wanted him to play with Moore or Iafallo, as they are ideal "plug and play" types)
- time on ice (his time ranged between 8 and 13 minutes usually. I'm hoping 12-15)
- role (powerplay time would be nice)