If the Kings were offered Wallstedt and the 24th overall for Byfield I bet they'd do it. MIN wouldn't do it though which says something.
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Herby
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The problem is that is the Kings not getting close to the full return on a 2OA (a goalie and a late 1st). The Kings would likely have to go C with both their picks this year and hope to defy the odds and find an impact guy at either 19 or 24, it's possible but not likely, especially with the Kings results in the 1st round.
I am ok with trading QB but it IMO it should be in a deal for a 1st line player.
IMO we shouldn't have made the playoff anyways.
We are still 2 years away from really making the playoff as a team, 3-4 years from contending.
Until then there is no reason to trade away youngsters or have another senior citizen pleasing fantasy run
that sets our development back even further
It's time to move the 30+ year olds back in the lineup and let the youngsters play to their strength
What kind of season our oldies have is irrelevant for our future plans.
Kaliev was drafted as a goal scoring sniper, why the hell he has to play 4th line minutes grinding defense is far beyond me. Why Byfield has to play 3rd line center with player who shouldn't even be in the NHL, getting 3-4 linechnges per game is also far beyond me
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Pipe dream .. and has been discussed countless times already. It's still a BUSINESS...and the business revolves around selling tickets....and telling tickets revolves around success on the ice. You don't win a whole lot of games when you are playing a roster full of kids 24/7. The trick is to have a balance -- win games and still integrate the youth.
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I think you are wrong on both.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
The value is pretty close.
It’s certainly better than the Vilardi/Turcotte/2nd for other teams stars that gets posted here.
QB stock is probably a bit down and his is a bit up. If QB has the value of a #6 pick and Wallstedt has the value of a #15 pick does the #24 make up the difference? I think it’s pretty close.
If Turcotte or Vilardi had been hits and you could project one as a 1C I’d probably do it. But without any realistic centers with big potential beyond QB it’s a tougher sell. LA would address its goaltending issues but would be weak at C.
You are underrating Kings players and overrating other teams stars. The Eichel return was not so much different than Iafallo, Turcotte and a 1st.
Krebs had shown nothing in Vegas and Tuch (who I always liked and think is better than Iafallo) was a high end third liner in Vegas.
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We were right there
When was the last time a blue chip prospect goalie was traded
goalies have goofy value as is, for as un-confident other teams would be in a turcotte or vilardi trade, imagine that for any goalie. There's a reason you don't see it.
goalies have goofy value as is, for as un-confident other teams would be in a turcotte or vilardi trade, imagine that for any goalie. There's a reason you don't see it.
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I'd be pissed if the Kings did this, like unhinged. Byfield won't even be able to legally drink until August 2023, and we already want to ship him off for a late 1st in a weak draft plus a blue chip goalie prospect when goaltending development is by far the most inexact science in hockey? Hard pass.
I get that people want to see more from QB, but goalies are all over the f***ing place. I'd love to trade for Wallstedt, but not at that price.
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While in your opinion it may be close. No GM is trading a second overall that close to drafting him, for “lesser assets”. A. You admit you f’d up which is never going to happen (either cause ego or want to keep a job) B. Trading for lesser assets almost always comes out as the loser, especially with some like Byfield who it was known it was going to take time for him to hit his potential. C. Trading for a goalie is maybe the riskiest asset management you can attempt. Would you risk your career against any one goaltender prospect. If it busts you will look like Milbury for the rest of your life.
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No, it's not Voynov taking over for Johnson. Up until the day he was traded, Johnson was playing a lot in evey game. And then because the offense still sucked, DL got desperate, and thankfully Carter cried his way out of Columbus, because if he didn't, there wasn't anyone else that year to get as good as Carter.
I don't hate DL. It's just that, they won, so we don't question many of the steps taken up until the point that they won. We used to, before they won. Now they're forgotten footnotes. The critical lens disappeared. Winning cures all.
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How many tickets did the common folk gobble up this year? Ain't nobody was lining up to see the Kings.
Your argument is valid, but you are backing the wrong horse. The best chance at the most amount of success is by building from within, not racing to the middle of the pack.
This is a false dawn, there is a limit to how far you can go by loading up the middle of your lineup. Sure, it looks better than being on the ass end of a rebuild, but this current route isn't going any further up the standings until you have better top tier players and the best chance at that is developing the fruits you gained by suffering through a rebuild.
That takes a change in focus. And, in my 40+ years of experience there is nothing more rewarding to fans than building relationships with young players and watching them grow into contenders. You will be willing to accept the bumps in the road because you care about the growth process. You don't get the same feeling cheering for a team full of mercenaries. The feelings fans have for fading gems in Kopitar, Brown, Quick and to a lesser degree Doughty proves this - there is an awful lot of forgiveness for short comings of that group and less for the outsiders, even though they meant just as much to the Cups.
It's a lot closer in value than you think. Byfield's value in the league isn't just based on what he could be anymore. He's going to be compared against the people who were drafted right after him now too. Whether that's fair or not doesn't matter. He's no longer seen as the guy who would go 2nd in that draft as of today. He's not even taken Top 5. In fact, he COULD fall out of the Top 10 though that's VERY unlikely.
On the other hand, Wallstedt just put up a great season in the SHL and is likely right in that Top 10 discussion for his draft year and that's including six guys who have already made their pro debuts.
I'm not saying the Kings would 100% do it, but I'd bet MIN is less willing to and Blake definitely wouldn't hang up on them.
Lastly, Milbury looks like an idiot because he traded Luongo AND Jokinen for peanuts and then signed DiPietro to a 100-year contract along with a million other bad moves. That said, DiPietro was on his way to a very nice career before getting injured and ending it. If he stays healthy it doesn't look AS bad.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Good post.
Plus the ticket revenue in 2024-2030 from a perennial contender that was properly rebuilt will more than make up for any lost revenue during the down years. The AEG bean counters should know this and be in it for the long game. Axl is taking the short view and is more content with being the late 90’s/early 00 Kings right away than being the 06-10 Kings for a few years before actually contending.
My guess is that Luc and Blake continue to believe that the 2012-2014 group can win another cup.
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David Pastrnak is going to end up a King and we're all going to be shocked like when we landed Mike Richards.
The last time checked, the Oilers are sold out every single game.
They played nothing but their youth for years and sucked badly.
Even now they have a really bad team but the crowd loves their favorites
I have really no problem with Byfield on the 1st line and Kaliev top 6.
Yes they will get a bloody nose at the beginning but they will adjust and turn into beasts.
I rather watch that than the Kopitar sleeping pill train barely making the playoff because of an AHL division
and miss out on exiting picks.
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Yep, which is why we should really play the kids as much as possible next year--top 6 and top 4 minutes, PP, PK, and see who can be part of the next core.
I can't believe people are talking about trading QB when he's 19 and has been used so sparsely. Let's see what we've got first.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
The play the kids ship sailed last year when they made those summer moves. That was the end of that phase of the rebuild. Myself, bland and others think it was a mistake, but we have to acknowledge it was done and move on accordingly.
Kopitar and Danault will be the top 2 centers for the next 2 seasons.
Don’t be shocked if QB ends up in the AHL next year. Kupari and JAD are further ahead and one is waiver eligible.
QB and Turcotte in the minors next year because of JAD, Lizotte and Kopitar is criminal
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I’m not that fatalistic. I’ll agree that we sunk far too much cost this season, but there’s no reason why we can’t stop that trend now. We’re paying Danault 6M a year, not 11M. We’re not that hamstrung. And several of the kids had pretty solid seasons.
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He is 19!! What do you mean isn’t based on what he could be anymore!?!? Do you really think he is done developing!?!?
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Quit feeding the silly Byfield trade idea. It’s not gonna happen. Kid is gonna put up 40 points and play a 200-foot game next season. On his way to celebrating reaching drinking age with some big goals, big hits, big plays.
If I were Gabe Vilardi I would make myself Byfield’s best friend all summer and hitch myself to his hip. Develop some chemistry together. These two need to know where the other one is on the ice at all times without even looking. Be the Robin to Byfield’s Batman.
This team will be scary when it can roll three good scoring lines every game, supported by a hard hustling Lizotte line. Kopitar Danault Byfield, Danault Byfield Kopitar, doesn’t matter what the order is. Hard to contain three lines like that.
If I were Gabe Vilardi I would make myself Byfield’s best friend all summer and hitch myself to his hip. Develop some chemistry together. These two need to know where the other one is on the ice at all times without even looking. Be the Robin to Byfield’s Batman.
This team will be scary when it can roll three good scoring lines every game, supported by a hard hustling Lizotte line. Kopitar Danault Byfield, Danault Byfield Kopitar, doesn’t matter what the order is. Hard to contain three lines like that.
Let me be more clear since you apparently didn't understand what I said.
His value isn't EXCULSIVELY based on what he might be any longer. He was drafted at #2 because of what he could project as. CURRENTLY he isn't going to be projecting that because of what he's shown. In poker there's a saying that if your hand isn't getting better, it's getting worse. That's exactly what's happened with him.
Several other players drafted near him have gone on to perform and there is ZERO chance that any of those teams would trade those guys for Byfield. Ottawa isn't trading Stutzle. The Ducks aren't trading Drysdale. Detroit isn't trading Raymond. Florida isn't trading Lundell. Etc etc. His value has dropped because those other players have shown more than he has.
He's no longer a #2 overall pick. He's a former #2 overall pick who had two disappointing WJC's in a row, a decent year in the AHL, and now someone who was scratched down the stretch because he wasn't doing enough according to the coach.
He might still pan out, but the longer you hold onto those aces, the more likely it is that someone is going to get two pair.
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