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Herby said:
Could you imagine the kind of questions Blake would be getting in a Canadian market about the struggles of all his high picks?
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I think you guys pick and choose this bullshit out of thin air. LA is the only team who hasn't drafted McDavid? I'm looking at CGY's top picks from the last few years, I don't see anyone moving the needle...last I checked they are a Canadian market and doing pretty well right now.

2021 Entry131Matt Coronato
2020 Entry241Connor Zary
2019 Entry261Jakob Pelletier
2017 Entry161Juuso Valimaki

Who are these guys??
 
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Herby said:
Could you imagine the kind of questions Blake would be getting in a Canadian market about the struggles of all his high picks?

Being the GM of the Kings has to be one of the least stressful GM jobs in American sports. No media pressure, your really good friend is the boss, your best friend from college works under you along with a bunch of your other buddies.
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There's a reason why a Canadian team hasn't won since 1993.
 
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Schmooley said:
They may not have a choice. Theres not too much available that can make them into a contender. Say next year the Danault line regresses and they trade assets to help a core led by Kopitar and Iafallo. Theyd be screwing up the future for no shot at the cup.
The fact that Blake didnt move any pieces for rentals this year makes one think he has to know the older core isnt gonna win at this moment.
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Don't think the King's are that far off. Adding another center, & a solid LD to eventually pair with Clarke will get this team most of the way there.

The center can be anything from a shutdown to top line. A Danault clone would be great. Just someone to allow the King's to run more than 2 lines in the playoffs.

With Doughty, Roy, New LD the King's can sprinkle in the young D however they want.

This gets the team to where they have a good chance at the playoffs. If a few kids start breaking out like Moore or Kempe, maybe they have a shot.

Center, run Kopi, Danault, New Center. When Kopi runs out of steam in a couple years slide Byfield in. If Kopi retires & Byfield doesn't work out go big for Mathews who may want to come back to the Southwest, but AZ is an embarrassment.

Forsberg & Fiala are tempting. Don't get sidetracked. Don't get sidetracked.
 
Axl Rhoadz said:
I think you guys pick and choose this bullshit out of thin air. LA is the only team who hasn't drafted McDavid? I'm looking at CGY's top picks from the last few years, I don't see anyone moving the needle...last I checked they are a Canadian market and doing pretty well right now.

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[TD]2021 Entry[/TD]
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[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Matt Coronato[/TD]
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[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Connor Zary[/TD]
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[TD]2019 Entry[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Jakob Pelletier[/TD]
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[TD]2017 Entry[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Juuso Valimaki[/TD]
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Who are these guys??
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Blake has only drafted lower in the first round than Coronato and Valimaki twice out of six first round picks.

Also, you can't use Coronato since he was just drafted last year. Clarke is like the Kings top prospect now because he hasn't immediately dipped like every other high first round pick.
 
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Axl Rhoadz said:
I think you guys pick and choose this bullshit out of thin air. LA is the only team who hasn't drafted McDavid? I'm looking at CGY's top picks from the last few years, I don't see anyone moving the needle...last I checked they are a Canadian market and doing pretty well right now.

2021 Entry131Matt Coronato
2020 Entry241Connor Zary
2019 Entry261Jakob Pelletier
2017 Entry161Juuso Valimaki

Who are these guys??
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Less is expected from picks 16, 24 and 26 than from picks 2, 5, 11 and 18. Not sure why that is difficult to understand. And the highest drafted player you listed (Coronato) was only drafted this past year and is a really good prospect, no one is lumping Clarke into the Kings struggling picks because it's his D+1 (and because he had a good year). Calgary is returning Coronato to Harvard next season, he will probably take a big step like most similar NCAA players do in their sophomore year and be with the Flames at this time next year.

Calgary has had 1 Top 10 pick in recent memory (#6 OA) and it resulted in a player who immediately stepped into the NHL at 18 and has developed into a dominant and unique player you might have noticed tonight. That is kind of what is expected from atleast some of your high picks.
 
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johnjm22 said:
The reason Calgary is having success is because of Sutter.

You take him away, and they're an average middling team.
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I think that is a bit over the top, they have some really good players, especially their two American stars. Sutter is a great coach but he isn't some guaranteed ticket to success. The 2015, 2016 and 2017 Kings are proof of that.

To be an average middling team would be to have them where the Kings/Stars and Preds are. They had 12, 14 and 15 more points than those teams, not sure a coach is worth that many points, that is a lot of points.

**Ok maybe if Willie Desjardins was the coach instead.
 
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Herby said:
I think that is a bit over the top, they have some really good players, especially their two American stars. Sutter is a great coach but he isn't some guaranteed ticket to success. The 2015, 2016 and 2017 Kings are proof of that.

To be an average middling team would be to have them where the Kings/Stars and Preds are. They had 12, 14 and 15 more points than those teams, not sure a coach is worth that many points, that is a lot of points.

**Ok maybe if Willie Desjardins was the coach instead.
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Most teams do have some good players. The Flames, as a team, are in the average to good range.

If the Flames make it to the finals, it cements my opinion that Sutter is one of the best hockey coaches ever.

But his style does have a shelf life.
 
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johnjm22 said:
Most teams do have some good players. The Flames, as a team, are in the average to good range.

If the Flames make it to the finals, it cements my opinion that Sutter is one of the best hockey coaches ever.

But his style does have a shelf life.
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I don't disagree with the last part, that would be 4 trips to the finals in 3 different eras of hockey so to say. The dead puck, the post lockout transition and the now high flying offense driven league. Obviously it would cement Sutter as an all-time great coach.

But the Kings are an example of a middling team and Calgary just has a way better roster than the Kings.
 
Herby said:
I don't disagree with the last part, that would be 4 trips to the finals in 3 different eras of hockey so to say. The dead puck, the post lockout transition and the now high flying offense driven league. Obviously it would cement Sutter as an all-time great coach.

But the Kings are an example of a middling team and Calgary just has a way better roster than the Kings.
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I would say the Kings are average to bad (like 15th to 20th in the league), and the Flames are average to good (like 15th to 10th).

Remove Sutter from the Flames and they're the same team they were last year; average. (Yes I realize Darryl took over late in the season last year).

The NHL has become so close, that a coach has more impact than ever before IMO.

The Canucks aren't that much different than the Flames or Kings. They were DOA until Bruce took over. BB had them playing at a 106 point pace.

Imagine if Vegas gets Trotz. Kings will have to deal with Sutter, Boudreau and Trotz all in the same division.
 
johnjm22 said:
I would say the Kings are average to bad (like 15th to 20th in the league), and the Flames are average to good (like 15th to 10th).

Remove Sutter from the Flames and they're the same team they were last year; average. (Yes I realize Darryl took over late in the season last year).

The NHL has become so close, that a coach has more impact than ever before IMO.

The Canucks aren't that much different than the Flames or Kings. They were DOA until Bruce took over. BB had them playing at a 106 point pace.

Imagine if Vegas gets Trotz. Kings will have to deal with Sutter, Boudreau and Trotz all in the same division.
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I think we have a pretty good coach too, look at this years Kings roster, without DD the Kings were without question the worst roster in the playoffs and he not only got them in but nearly won a series.

He just needs to get some more guys capable of generating offense, but the defensive system was very impressive.

The coaching in the division is kind of hit or miss. Hakstol, Eakins and Boughner suck.
 
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Sutter has eaten Todd alive before and would easily do it again.

TMac is an excellent systems coach, you can see why he was such a successful assistant between that and his personality and relationship with the players. But I'd argue he hasn't learned a god damn thing as a bench manager/head coach, his 'adjustments' are what keeps him from being more.
 
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Axl Rhoadz said:
I think you guys pick and choose this bullshit out of thin air. LA is the only team who hasn't drafted McDavid? I'm looking at CGY's top picks from the last few years, I don't see anyone moving the needle...last I checked they are a Canadian market and doing pretty well right now.

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]2021 Entry[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Matt Coronato[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]2020 Entry[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Connor Zary[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]2019 Entry[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Jakob Pelletier[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]2017 Entry[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Juuso Valimaki[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Who are these guys??
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Pelletier had a great AHL season and a lot of local fans wanted him called up. Valimaki is a work in progress and has definitely regressed, but there is still hope. The Stockton Flames have had a great season in part to these guys, so the Flames are not catching shit over them because they are contributing to a winning team. That and the NHL club had one of the most successful regular seasons in team history. So why would they get called out on prospects?
 
YP44 said:
Pelletier had a great AHL season and a lot of local fans wanted him called up. Valimaki is a work in progress and has definitely regressed, but there is still hope. The Stockton Flames have had a great season in part to these guys, so the Flames are not catching shit over them because they are contributing to a winning team. That and the NHL club had one of the most successful regular seasons in team history. So why would they get called out on prospects?
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Sounds very similar to the Kings, so what's the difference?
 
Axl Rhoadz said:
Sounds very similar to the Kings, so what's the difference?
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The calgary flames window open and they haven't been in rebuild since at least 2015, their last lottery picks were Monahan and Bennett in 2013 and 2014?

might be a little different than multiple lottery picks in the last few years and having not really been competitive since 2015...
 
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Axl Rhoadz said:
the Kings top prospects aren't playing big minutes in the AHL?
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yes that is correct. QB and Vilardi were either up and down, in the press box or in the bottom 6 in LA.
theAH.com does not track TOI, and I am not going to pretend i watched the Reign, but when lineups were on twitter it seemed like the likes of Sutter, Tynan and Fryk were playing often above JAD, Turcotte and Madden. Would be great if anyone knows where to find average TOI for AHL teams to validate.

Either way just looking at Byfield, who should be the cornerstone, I would rather him either playing Top 6 in LA, or top line in the AHL this past year. Easy to say in hindsight I know, but that is my go to with prospects anyway.

Also your post was about why Calgary is not getting dumped on for their prospect development. I guess why would they? I think they have done everything right with their prospects and are going to get a fair bit out of mid round firsts.

People shit on Sutter for being a vets only coach but I think he is really good at development. he defines roles and expectations with young players that is needed. He does not put prospects into spots they are not going to succeed, and lets prospects cook till their ready in the minors. That way when he does need them, and can use them they are ready.

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So, about that Jack Adams... :sarcasm:
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was always Sutters
 
YP44 said:
yes that is correct. QB and Vilardi were either up and down, in the press box or in the bottom 6 in LA.
theAH.com does not track TOI, and I am not going to pretend i watched the Reign, but when lineups were on twitter it seemed like the likes of Sutter, Tynan and Fryk were playing often above JAD, Turcotte and Madden. Would be great if anyone knows where to find average TOI for AHL teams to validate.

Either way just looking at Byfield, who should be the cornerstone, I would rather him either playing Top 6 in LA, or top line in the AHL this past year. Easy to say in hindsight I know, but that is my go to with prospects anyway.

Also your post was about why Calgary is not getting dumped on for their prospect development. I guess why would they? I think they have done everything right with their prospects and are going to get a fair bit out of mid round firsts.

People shit on Sutter for being a vets only coach but I think he is really good at development. he defines roles and expectations with young players that is needed. He does not put prospects into spots they are not going to succeed, and lets prospects cook till their ready in the minors. That way when he does need them, and can use them they are ready.
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Why are we talking about Calgary? The Kings wouldn't be in the position they're in if they had a single forward taken since 2011 developed into a player like Gaudreau. Or Tkachuk. Or if they had a sixth round pick like Mangiapane develop into a top-six forward.

People scramble so much with whataboutisms they completely miss out how much they're reinforcing everyone else's point.
 
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BigKing said:
Blake has only drafted lower in the first round than Coronato and Valimaki twice out of six first round picks.

Also, you can't use Coronato since he was just drafted last year. Clarke is like the Kings top prospect now because he hasn't immediately dipped like every other high first round pick.
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...always by the dips. Well, unless the market is about to crash, then forget what I said.
 
kingsfan28 said:
Forget Forsberg. No way they're tying up 7 years @9-10 mil per on a 28 year old. We have other holes that need to be filled and signing him prevents anything else from being done.
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I’d like to agree with you. Feel the Free agency cost would be high.

One name I’m leaning towards is Debrincat. Young (24) and an excellent scorer. Adequate defensively. What do you think the cost would be? 1st + Byfield? 1st + Madden + Kaliyev? He fits the bill for first line winger.
 
Schrute farms beets said:
Byfield, Kaliyev and Clarke should all be considered untouchables imo. Anyone else though should be available for the right player(s).
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For the right player everyone should be available. If a team is trading something good for futures
those 3 and Faber will always be where teams want to start the conversation. An impact player
will require at least one of these players.
 
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