Having said that....who...who around the league would you have in mind, let's suspend reality for a second and say anyone is available on the developing staff of any team....
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Having said that....who...who around the league would you have in mind, let's suspend reality for a second and say anyone is available on the developing staff of any team....
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I don't know enough to be honest. I do know that Montreal hired a skilled coach who had worked with Toronto, so teams do look at stuff like this. I would try and identify a team that has produced forwards the way the Kings have produced defenseman and target someone from their staff if we suspended reality. This would also require Blake to admit that his best friend since college and another guy who he was teammates with for 5 years are kind of doing a crappy job producing results in the ultimate results oriented business. As we have seen in places like Edmonton, San Jose and Philadelphia as well as every NFL coaching room known to man the strength of the old-boys club is strong in pro sports.
Getting back to the Kings problems, it could be as simple as saying going forward that we are not putting any NCAA or European forwards we draft in the AHL until atleast their D+3. If they are good enough for the NHL then sign them and put them in the NHL, if they aren't keep them in college or overseas until they have played at a high level in those leagues and developed physically. I think the AHL did significant damage to the development of Kupari, Turcotte and Byfield and to be honest probably caused damage to Kempe's as well. Many blame Covid for QB's struggles, and I actually think it's valid, but for a different reason, if Covid hadn't happened he would have probably been back in the OHL (if you believe Hoven) and at this point there is no way he could have been any worse coming from that league than he has looked this season.
The AHL is an important development league for the NHL , the Kings have gotten great results from defenders and goaltenders developed on the farm, and it certainly serves a purpose in developing certain types of players. Those types of players do not include highly drafted teenage forwards. The Kings need to start being accepting of that fact.
Ziggy Stardust
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If you would have taken to read my response instead of taking out if your ass, you would have seen where I mentioned that Zegras’ lack of interest in defense would have been a problem for TMac..
Thats also why I mentioned that if the Kings took the same approach Anaheim did, the kids would likely be showing more
He is beyond struggling offensively but he is holding his own defensively..
two different development philosophies right..
Anaheim drafted offensively gifted players and are letting them play to their strengths.
The Kings are pushing for a playoff spot and punish their forwards for the littlest mistake
Herby
How could Blake have known?
But if the Kings don't care about the all around struggles of QB (he has not been good defensively either) why would it be different with Zegras?
I just don't get why if a guy with no offense and no defense isn't being benched that a guy providing offense with no defense would be benched.
That is why the comments often made here that (Insert other teams great young player) would be in Ontario make no sense every time someone brings it up. There is just no truth to it.
Tobias Bjornfot has been a regular on D but Seider would be in Ontario?
Byfield has played 25 mostly awful games without being benched but Zegras, Raymond and Stutzle would be benched or in Ontario?
Kupari has played over 40 games, Vilardi 15 and Turcotte 8 but Boldy and Caufield wouldn't be in the NHL with the Kings?
Not saying you said all of these, but these comments are made here quite often and I really struggle to see what they are based on.
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Yea most of his mistakes since the third line changed have been around the opposing teams blueline. All the things that worked in other leagues dont in the NHL and he needs to figure out how to be effective until he fills out. Hes been good in his own zone and backchecks hard. Mostly picks up the right man now also.
johnjm22
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I doubt the lack of success of our forward prospects has anything to do with the Kings development program/staff. The development of a player is mostly on the player themselves. The organization just has to put them in the right environment, and bring them along at the right pace.
johnjm22
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The bottom line is that the Kings don't know if they have any young foundational players to build around.
We needed 2 of Byfield, Vilardi, Turcotte and possibly Kaliyev to show this year that they could become those pieces. But that hasn't happened, and because of that it puts the entire organization in limbo.
There's no point in trading assets for supplemental players, when you have no young core to supplement.
Not much the Kings can really do except keep waiting, drafting in the first round, and hoping they eventually strike gold. It sucks, but that's how it is.
We needed 2 of Byfield, Vilardi, Turcotte and possibly Kaliyev to show this year that they could become those pieces. But that hasn't happened, and because of that it puts the entire organization in limbo.
There's no point in trading assets for supplemental players, when you have no young core to supplement.
Not much the Kings can really do except keep waiting, drafting in the first round, and hoping they eventually strike gold. It sucks, but that's how it is.
I agree, I think the org isn’t putting them in a position to succeed and though..
Our defensive kids have shined because all the injuries has forced the staff to just let them play through the mistakes and look what’s happened..
next season should be a better indication of where the offensive prospects are as guys move on.. Brown & AA open two spots maybe a trade for a LHD opens another
Yea keep waiting or see if you can get a couple first round picks for Kopitar, maybe one of Buffalos first rounders + for an Iafallo and Roy package. Get as many possible first rounders over the next 2 drafts and tell scouting to zone in on high end skills and gifted goal scorers. No more two way players with intangibles. They have a lot of those and may lose one in JAD next season to waivers.
One dimensional players with red flags in their game after the first round is ok also. Take as many Kaliyevs, Chromiaks, and Pinellis as you can draft and hope a couple stick.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I think your two points kind of contradict though. Is it fair to question if all of the four first rounders were put in the wrong environments somewhere along the way in their development?
There certainly is a lot of it on the player themselves and in the initial evaluation but if you are talking environment that is a big problem too.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Possession stats are not everything, but currently Zegras has a +3.25 SF% Rel among regular forwards on the Ducks. He also has a positive GF% Rel and xGF% Rel. That is not all from just driving offense either, he actually has a negative xGA/60 Rel.
Compare that with Byfield who has a -10.87 SF% Rel, a negative GF% Rel and a negative xGF% Rel. That is not all from his lack of driving offense, he has a positive xGA/60 Rel.
AA and Kupari have similar stat lines, in fact the only one of the young Kings who have been positive on the team defensively has been Kaliyev.
Like I said earlier, possession stats are not everything, but those underlying stats show that Zegras is actually having a positive impact on teh team defensively, while still driving the play offensively. I don't know how far we are getting by doing whatever it is with we are doing with our prospects, but I don't think we should be mocking Zegras by saying he can't defend his shadow.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Have you ever met a 6'4"+ teenager that plays a high-conditioning sport like soccer or hockey? It's hard as shit to keep weight on at that age.
That's no doubt the end of the tunnel.
Question is now how to use the next 2 years.
I would be good with developing the youngsters in the AHL while collecting 2 more top 3 picks.
I am aware this is not a popular opinion though
Sol
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Eh to be real with you, I’m 6’3 and in highschool I hovered around 210 comfortably working out and eating. It wasn’t hard even though my metabolism was crazy. Now that you mention it, all the tall guys were big, I only remember one guy who was tall and thin but most were the opposite. Tall and stocky.
Just looking at his legs you can tell Byfield he’s very thin legs which I hope is just lack of training.
No Name The Nameless
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3 million for Vilardi? That’s like 1 million per point.
Fair enough, is there a team out there that produces forwards like we apparently do with D ?
AlphaBravo
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I hate this but I 100% agree. The players we drafted are not promising. We will need to do better drafting the next two years later in the 1st round and hope the new wave do better. If there is a sucker willing to give a 1st for Turcotte or Vilardi Blake should pounce on it.
Where I teach all of our football players are on shakes to bulk them up. They really crank on the pounds, it's crazy. I couldn't imagine them on skates though, they would probably break them
Byfield still has some filling out to do, but it will happen in time. The rigors of the NHL and a good offseason will really benefit him. I do think it will take a few years for him to find that sweet spot of what works for him.
Jericho111091
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Doughty out for the rest of the regular season?
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