Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season

[YP44]

Kings do not need him:

You surely did not watch regularly the way Provorov played during last 2 years.

Philadelphia fans are dreaming to trade him.

Give valuable assets for him does not make sense.

LA do not have salary space for this trade.

responded to you in the other thread.
I think he is the LHD that LA needs to go after.

Chychrun doesn't do well with top competition, but he's fine outside of that. If they take the risk it's going to create a 2nd line.

Yup if Chychrun is in LA (Not the guy I want), than I think he makes more sense on the 2nd pair. PP would get interesting. Would LA go back to two D on the PP?

 

[bmr]

For all the crap that Blake takes about some of his not so good signings (Kovalchuk, Petersen (so far)), there are some really good ones that have been game changers for us.

The biggest two in my mind are obviously Danault and Fiala. I think a lot of us were skeptical about how much of an impact Danault would have on this team, especially at the cost of his contract. It's funny, now we're all probably thinking how much of a value it is.

The same goes for Fiala. A lot of people were probably wondering if he could duplicate his output from last year. Some of us were bummed we lost Faber, but Fiala is clearly the best player on the team. He brings a dynamic we haven't seen in a long time..Palffy is the best comparison I think there is to make, even though their games are a bit different.

This is really the first year we've seen the Kings have such a wide variety of offensive threats that can strike at any time. Pair that with sound defense/goaltending and this team can rank right up there with anyone. If Copley can maintain this type of output and we can shore up the left side on defense, I really think we are capable of beating any team in this league.

 

[YP44]

For all the crap that Blake takes about some of his not so good signings (Kovalchuk, Petersen (so far)), there are some really good ones that have been game changers for us.

The biggest two in my mind are obviously Danault and Fiala. I think a lot of us were skeptical about how much of an impact Danault would have on this team, especially at the cost of his contract. It's funny, now we're all probably thinking how much of a value it is.

The same goes for Fiala. A lot of people were probably wondering if he could duplicate his output from last year. Some of us were bummed we lost Faber, but Fiala is clearly the best player on the team. He brings a dynamic we haven't seen in a long time..Palffy is the best comparison I think there is to make, even though their games are a bit different.

This is really the first year we've seen the Kings have such a wide variety of offensive threats that can strike at any time. Pair that with sound defense/goaltending and this team can rank right up there with anyone. If Copley can maintain this type of output and we can shore up the left side on defense, I really think we are capable of beating any team in this league.

I was skeptical of Fiala more than Danault. Reason being I thought bringing in another forward when we have so many guys trying break into the league seemed odd. Also thought assets paid should have been used for LHD not on wing. However he has been amazing to watch, and I think his contract will be great value. Only knock on him is he plays like a bit of a twat at times and can take bad penalties because of it.

 

[Fishhead]

I wonder if Grans, Grundstrom and a 3rd is enough for Gavrikov..
Grans could be a Lindholm style player
Tonka is a good bottom 6
3rd is to add a little more value

Like most Kings prospects in Ontario, Grans can probably step into a bottom 2 role with CBJ right now and not miss a beat

I’m guessing they would want more like Grans+1st.

 

[kings11]

I’m guessing they would want more like Grans+1st.

I figured, some idiot will probably pay it but the Kings won’t. I’d still like to take a run at him as an UFA.. he’s probably going to ask for 4-4.5per x 4-5 and like Danault, I’d sign him to that.. you trade Roy to clear a spot on the right side

 

[Mats26]

I know alot of us have been dreaming for a LD, and with good reason. But I would also be on the look out for a big power forward if available as well. Guys in the Greenway or Bertuzzi mold. Depending of costs of course. They can play anywhere in the lineup. I still feel we are too small for playoff hockey. Lemieux is fine for now but we need someone to somewhat replace what Brownie brought to the forward ranks.

 

[Fishhead]

I figured, some idiot will probably pay it but the Kings won’t. I’d still like to take a run at him as an UFA.. he’s probably going to ask for 4-4.5per x 4-5 and like Danault, I’d sign him to that.. you trade Roy to clear a spot on the right side

It’s steep for sure. I don’t think trading Roy really opens a spot. Doughty and Clarke on the right leaves one spot. Is Grans a better option than Spence? Not sure about that. As good as Spence has been he’s not going to want to be in the AHL next year. I don’t see a way both Grans/Spence are both in the regular lineup together, barring injury.

So one will likely go. I’d counter with Grans + 2nd to see if they would bite. Gavrikov won’t make it to UFA, whoever trades for him is going to extend.

 

[kings11]

It’s steep for sure. I don’t think trading Roy really opens a spot. Doughty and Clarke on the right leaves one spot. Is Grans a better option than Spence? Not sure about that. As good as Spence has been he’s not going to want to be in the AHL next year. I don’t see a way both Grans/Spence are both in the regular lineup together, barring injury.

So one will likely go. I’d counter with Grans + 2nd to see if they would bite. Gavrikov won’t make it to UFA, whoever trades for him is going to extend.

I didn’t include a 2nd in my first proposal since it had Tonka and a 3rd.. Tonka needs to be moved for cap purposes and I honestly think he’s been pushed out by JAD and Kupari

But I like that offer

 

[YP44]

I didn’t include a 2nd in my first proposal since it had Tonka and a 3rd.. Tonka needs to be moved for cap purposes and I honestly think he’s been pushed out by JAD and Kupari

But I like that offer

I open for moving Grundstrom. Not sure how he sees the ice once Moore and Kaliyev are back. Could be good playoff insurance though as well.

 

[Trash Panda]

I wonder if Grans, Grundstrom and a 3rd is enough for Gavrikov..
Grans could be a Lindholm style player
Tonka is a good bottom 6
3rd is to add a little more value

Like most Kings prospects in Ontario, Grans can probably step into a bottom 2 role with CBJ right now and not miss a beat

In any deal for D, the kings are going to need to jettison one of our roster righties.

Also, no, that deal doesn’t even sniff the price for Gavrikov.

Not to beat a dead horse, but waiving a certain 3rd pair righty and bringing up Bjornfot really makes us a lot better for no cost.

 

[johnjm22]

So let's say we bring him in? Do you deploy him with Doughty and move Mikey down to 2nd pair with Durzi?

Hopefully Durzi is part of the trade.

Anderson-Doughty
Chychrun-Roy
Edler-Spence
Walker

That's a mighty fine top 4.

I like Gavrikov a lot, but you're giving up a 1st + for a rental.

 

[YAYSAY]

Apparently Chychrun got hurt last night, had to be helped off the ice and down the tunnel. He did return but still, this guy is made of glass, trading for him seems to be a huge risk

 

[Steve Zissou]

Apparently Chychrun got hurt last night, had to be helped off the ice and down the tunnel. He did return but still, this guy is made of glass, trading for him seems to be a huge risk

 

[kings11]

In any deal for D, the kings are going to need to jettison one of our roster righties.

Also, no, that deal doesn’t even sniff the price for Gavrikov.

Not to beat a dead horse, but waiving a certain 3rd pair righty and bringing up Bjornfot really makes us a lot better for no cost.

UFA route for Gavrikov it is

 

[kings11]

Hopefully Durzi is part of the trade.

Anderson-Doughty
Chychrun-Roy
Edler-Spence
Walker

That's a mighty fine top 4.

I like Gavrikov a lot, but you're giving up a 1st + for a rental.

Sign and trade even thought it not allowed..
Gavrikov for Durzi and 2nd?

Anderson - Doughty
Gavrikov - Roy
Edler - Spence
Walker waived

 

[johnjm22]

Apparently Chychrun got hurt last night, had to be helped off the ice and down the tunnel. He did return but still, this guy is made of glass, trading for him seems to be a huge risk

Old Russian proverb:

"Those who don't take risks don't drink champagne."

Sign and trade even thought it not allowed..
Gavrikov for Durzi and 2nd?

Anderson - Doughty
Gavrikov - Roy
Edler - Spence
Walker waived

Other teams will be offering a 1st rounder. These type of defensemen always get expensive.

Really hard to gauge Durzi's value. He's on pace for 45 points and his cap hit is only 1.7M, and he's an RFA when it expires. That should be worth something.

 

[David Lunch]

Sign and trade even thought it not allowed..
Gavrikov for Durzi and 2nd?

Anderson - Doughty
Gavrikov - Roy
Edler - Spence
Walker waived

I have a gut instinct that I’d rather trade Roy in a sign-and-trade Gavrikov scenario. Gavrikov - Durzi seems like a great balancing pair where Gavrikov - Roy doesn’t have much offensive potential as a 2nd pairing. But I think we need to move Roy, Durzi and Walker within the next 12/18 months to eventually end with Doughty, Spence and Clark.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The one hope i have re: Gavrikov is that Blake seems to have been pretty good at getting in and discussing cntracts/extensions prior to trades, ie as close to a sign and trade as we're likely to see....which you would think is a win-win because then there's less risk for a the Kings and the potential for higher value for CBJ. I'd easily do a 1st+ for Gavrikov if I knew we'd get at least a three years out of him.

 

[kings11]

Old Russian proverb:

"Those who don't take risks don't drink champagne."


Other teams will be offering a 1st rounder. These type of defensemen always get expensive.

Really hard to gauge Durzi's value. He's on pace for 45 points and his cap hit is only 1.7M, and he's an RFA when it expires. That should be worth something.

Durzi has an extra year so I’m sure that’s pretty valuable to a team in need of a rebuild

The one hope i have re: Gavrikov is that Blake seems to have been pretty good at getting in and discussing cntracts/extensions prior to trades, ie as close to a sign and trade as we're likely to see....which you would think is a win-win because then there's less risk for a the Kings and the potential for higher value for CBJ. I'd easily do a 1st+ for Gavrikov if I knew we'd get at least a three years out of him.

If it’s a 2024 1st yes but I can’t see us giving up this years 1st in such a deep draft

 

[Peter James Bond II]

For all the crap that Blake takes about some of his not so good signings (Kovalchuk, Petersen (so far)), there are some really good ones that have been game changers for us.

The biggest two in my mind are obviously Danault and Fiala. I think a lot of us were skeptical about how much of an impact Danault would have on this team, especially at the cost of his contract. It's funny, now we're all probably thinking how much of a value it is.

The same goes for Fiala. A lot of people were probably wondering if he could duplicate his output from last year. Some of us were bummed we lost Faber, but Fiala is clearly the best player on the team. He brings a dynamic we haven't seen in a long time..Palffy is the best comparison I think there is to make, even though their games are a bit different.

This is really the first year we've seen the Kings have such a wide variety of offensive threats that can strike at any time. Pair that with sound defense/goaltending and this team can rank right up there with anyone. If Copley can maintain this type of output and we can shore up the left side on defense, I really think we are capable of beating any team in this league.

When you consider that Danault may have been the best off season signing / acquistion of 2021 and Fiala the best one, offseason 2022, all the more impressive. If one were to vote now for Kings 22-23 MVP, both Danault and Fiala would finish top 2 or certainly top 3. I had no doubts Fiala's 21-22 was not a fluke; especially given his deployment with Frederik Gauthier and limited minutes with Kaprizov...BUT, almost all were from skeptical, to freaked out in F Major, about Danault's 5 goals in 20-21 and how he was going to do as #2 center. No one questioned his value and abilities - just the offensive output....they probably saw that his 5 on 5 was actually good and had promise to have a higher offensive output, but no one could have predicted 25+ goals!
No one liked the 6 yr term...but I'm good with that. He may not be scoring 25 goals in yrs 5-6, but his value
will exceed his dollars and he will be great as 3rd ctr, if that's where he slots those years.

SO - Kudos to Blake for actually signing Danault at those dollars and terms...as it seems Vegas almost got him. Blake put himself out there, for the risk Danault stays at 10 goal output and cannot run a second line, offensive-wise....AND letting Byfield and Vilardi develop, as neither could take 2C last year.

Also, Arvidsson gets almost no love here, but is mostly thought as a good second line placeholder for a few years and please let him walk, after his contract....which is fine, as by after next season, there should be
youth ready for line 2 (Kaliyev, etc) But please know Danault would probably not be putting up such numbers without Arvy....pretty impressed by his post back surgery, play....honestly. So many first assists
and better passing ability than I ever imagined. Kudos to Blake for signing him and Edler, for that matter.

As much as I loved Faber, after seeing Faber in the suite last Spring with Blake and he didn't sign....perhaps he even told Blake he planned to play all 4 years and make his decision - it seemed Blake was going to have to move him and Minnesota was the best place, obviously. The Kings are lucky also in that the Wild bought out both Parise and Suter, as that was a factor as to why they couldn't sign Fiala....and the deal could be made and kudos to Blake for getting a 6 yr deal at 7.9 mil. That will prove to be a great deal....almost robbery, if Fiala tops 100 points. A 20th (19th?) overall + Faber for Fiala value should have more like been 2, #1's and Faber.

Acquiring Moore, Durzi, Grundstrom have proven good deals. Iafallo's 4 million deal looking good, for howe he's been playing. NOT dealing / giving up on Vilardi, etc have proven wise / prudent.
Was Copley a signing in mind, that he would actually play in the NHL? I'm sure his 16-7 season with the Caps a few years ago, was probably esteemed. Sometimes, you get lucky too.

I am aware of the wtf moves, deals, but most all Gms have a few...but the scope of the deals / signings overall has been very good. Fiala at 6 yrs 7.9 will pay off HUGE,. So, yes, Petersen at 5? through 24-25, not looking so good, but he did look great his contract year and then was goalie of the tournament at the Worlds. No one saw that he would falter.

Consider if you were a Hawk fan and see DeBrincat dealt, Dach dealt, let Kubalik go, Hagel dealt, bad deal for Seth Jones....what a nightmare. Drafting Korchinski and Nazar, with much better prospects on the board, for that matter.

I'm looking for to this run the Kings are making and hoping for a good deadline deal or 2.

 

[BringTheReign]

Encouraging tidbit from LAKI this morning on QB:

Lastly, Insiders, a quick hitter on and with Quinton Byfield. He’s been skating with Anze Kopitar and Adrian Kempe on the team’s top forward line since he was moved there back on December 29 in Colorado. Over those five games, only Kevin Fiala is getting more high-danger chances per/60 than Byfield, a sign of strong underlying chance creation. His on-ice numbers, which account for the chances his linemates get too, place him third-best on the Kings in that span. Despite just one assist in that span, underlying numbers are quite good.

 

[Fishhead]

If it’s a 2024 1st yes but I can’t see us giving up this years 1st in such a deep draft

This years draft is great to be sure, but it's not going to be a lottery pick and there is a solid chance we will be picking in the last third. This team isn't going to be easy to break into for a forward, so unless there is a D or goalie the team really would like that falls in our range, trading it isn't crippling.

 

[kings11]

This years draft is great to be sure, but it's not going to be a lottery pick and there is a solid chance we will be picking in the last third. This team isn't going to be easy to break into for a forward, so unless there is a D or goalie the team really would like that falls in our range, trading it isn't

That’s not reason a reason to give up a first, who’s to say we don’t find a Pasta or Perry with that pick? If a kid is good enough you make room but that’s another topic.
Carson Bjarnson
Michael Hrabal
Caden Price
Jakob Dvorak
Charlie Stramel

Are 5 kids off the top of my head that would be good for the Kings… Stramel would bring something we haven’t had since the cup winning teams.

 

[Fishhead]

That’s the thing though, there are two goalies and a few LHD to be had in that range

It would be a cool question for Yanetti, asking how much targeted prospects in an upcoming draft might effect mid-season trades of draft capital. I think the answer would be a minor influence, but I like hearing his long winded and detailed answers.

 

[kings11]

It would be a cool question for Yanetti, asking how much targeted prospects in an upcoming draft might effect mid-season trades of draft capital. I think the answer would be a minor influence, but I like hearing his long winded and detailed answers.

I don’t think it matters for a top player but for a rental it might be a no.
This team is in no position to be trading away 1st rounders in a deep draft. Especially with our deficiencies in net and on the backend. We need long term answers, not band aids