LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

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I'm starting to forget what Kings hockey looks like.
I'm starting to forget what a Kings home win looks like.

It hit me the other day. I was thinking of the music they play after a home victory, along the the 3 stars announcement and the interview. I haven't seen one of those in awhile.
 
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I think you can say confidently that the Kings would be cheating with Arvy being LTIR for cap until playoffs. However the difference is in the extremes. Arvy isn’t like Kucherov. He’s a role player not an impact player. Just like cheating on a test, you can have 10 answers from cheating or you can have 60 answers. One is going to impact your final grade much more than the other.

I’m not saying it’s okay to do either but arvidsson is not pushing any team over any hurdle.
 
It isn't cheating since it is in the CBA but it is a loophole that only benefits contenders because it doesn't matter for most of the league unlike the back-diving contracts that were used by every team.

It doesn't matter if RV isn't a Kucherov or Stone level player: what matters is the Kings could add a very good player that they wouldn't be able to if RV was healthy. If the Kings do it--and I hope they do if it puts them over the top--they won't be any different than the teams that did it before them and I will still feel that this is a worse loophole than the back-diving contracts.

It won't matter though if they wind up with home ice in any round since they can't win a home game. Doesn't even matter if I go or not: thought I was a curse this season but they cleared me of any wrongdoing the last two games.
 
I'm starting to forget what a Kings home win looks like.

It hit me the other day. I was thinking of the music they play after a home victory, along the the 3 stars announcement and the interview. I haven't seen one of those in awhile.
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I still think what it comes down to is players are willing to play through an injury in games 83 and on vs. not being willing to in games 1-82.

When players are injured in the playoffs and play through it you hear quotes like,, "If it had been the regular season, I would have missed time" or "I was only 85% the rest of the series"
 
Who can the kings possibly acquire with Arvy on LTIR? There’s not much out there worth much at 4 million.
 
Who can the kings possibly acquire with Arvy on LTIR? There’s not much out there worth much at 4 million.
That 4M allows LA to take on pretty much any size contract near the deadline since you'd only be taking on about a 1/4 of a contract's cap hit.
 
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“All signs point to Quinton Byfield developing into the player that the Kings organization thought he would” - Mark Yannetti this past summer

Yannetti was labeled a ‘liar’ on this very board for that quote.
Lets relax. I’ve been behind QB since before we drafted him but it’s way too early to declare him as having broken out. I think he may well of done but it’s too small a sample size to start crowing, he could get injured of the lines could get shuffled and it derails him. In other words don’t jinx it.
 
Lets relax. I’ve been behind QB since before we drafted him but it’s way too early to declare him as having broken out. I think he may well of done but it’s too small a sample size to start crowing, he could get injured of the lines could get shuffled and it derails him. In other words don’t jinx it.
Maybe the individuals who were labeling a 20-yr old kid a 'bust' should have relaxed.
 
That 4M allows LA to take on pretty much any size contract near the deadline since you'd only be taking on about a 1/4 of a contract's cap hit.
There's about 2.6m in space at the moment..due to taking on Laf and not burying JADs cap hit (not sure how that part works).. but I think we forgot how f***ed up the cap space was that was solved by the LTIR
 
Last game Nov 11, next game Nov 16 (Sat-Thu 5 days).
next big break
Nov 25 -Nov 29 (Sat-Wed 4 days)
Nov 29 -Dec 3 (Wed-Sun 4 days)
Dec 23 - Dec 27 (Sat-Wed 4 days)
THEN THE LEAGUE REST MANDATE
Jan 31 - Feb 10 (Wed-Sat 11 days).
all other breaks are 3 days or less.
 
Lets relax. I’ve been behind QB since before we drafted him but it’s way too early to declare him as having broken out. I think he may well of done but it’s too small a sample size to start crowing, he could get injured of the lines could get shuffled and it derails him. In other words don’t jinx it.
Agreed.
I'm a big Byfield fan and believer. Yet i don't think you can call him a breakout star or anything until he starts being able to put the puck in the net. He has two goals this year and one of them was a fluky gift. It's going to happen eventually. But 'taking the hockey world by storm' is hyperbole at its best. If he continues to do what he's doing impact wise and nets 20+, then we can start that kind of talk.
 
I'm starting to forget what a Kings home win looks like.

It hit me the other day. I was thinking of the music they play after a home victory, along the the 3 stars announcement and the interview. I haven't seen one of those in awhile.

It's been more than 3 weeks since the Kings last home win.

If you missed the win on October 24th, then you haven't seen a regular season home Kings win in 7 months, April 10th (one playoff win, April 21st).
 
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The whole LTIR 'cheating' thing mainly depends on if the player is actually healthy enough to play or not (and WHEN they're healthy enough to play) and 99% of the time we just don't know the answer to those questions.

Back surgeries can take a long time to rehab - Who knows, maybe Arvidsson does need a couple months post surgery to rest and rehab before he even starts skating again. Same could've been true for Stone last year.

I feel like it then becomes an asset management situation. Let's just say Stone was healthy enough where he technically could've played around the time game 70 rolled around last year. Isn't it kinda smart to give one of your best players some extra time to rest before the playoffs start if you can afford to do so and still make the playoffs?? Why throw a guy in the lineup with ~ 10 games left and risk additional injury - especially with a guy who's missed all or most of the season??

Another factor here is: You still have to actually make the playoffs with that key player being out. Vegas still had to make the playoffs without Stone and Tampa still had to make the playoffs without Kucherov. The Kings will hypothetically still have to make the playoffs without Arvidsson. That's a lot easier said than done.

For me, I'd only label it as cheating if the guy on LTIR was legitimately healthy for the last 15+ games of the regular season and was intentionally held out of the lineup strictly for cap reasons. Sure, we might think that's what has happened with guys like Kucherov/Stone but we don't know for sure. Ultimately until they make an actual rule about it and/or begin investigating players on LTIR, this is just going to be a part of this cap-strapped league. If teams have guys dealing with serious injuries and can afford to keep them on LTIR and still make the playoffs, then ice the guy in the first round after missing significant time, they're going to do so.
 
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Lets relax. I’ve been behind QB since before we drafted him but it’s way too early to declare him as having broken out. I think he may well of done but it’s too small a sample size to start crowing, he could get injured of the lines could get shuffled and it derails him. In other words don’t jinx it.
Yeah, I am a big believer in Byfield (and have said I was hoping the Kings would draft him back in his D-1 when it looked like the Kings were rebuilding).

But he still has to keep up the momentum and pace.
 
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Maybe the individuals who were labeling a 20-yr old kid a 'bust' should have relaxed.
Both sides of that coin need to relax.

The whole LTIR 'cheating' thing mainly depends on if the player is actually healthy enough to play or not (and WHEN they're healthy enough to play) and 99% of the time we just don't know the answer to those questions.

Back surgeries can take a long time to rehab - Who knows, maybe Arvidsson does need a couple months post surgery to rest and rehab before he even starts skating again. Same could've been true for Stone last year.

I feel like it then becomes an asset management situation. Let's just say Stone was healthy enough where he technically could've played around the time game 70 rolled around last year. Isn't it kinda smart to give one of your best players some extra time to rest before the playoffs start if you can afford to do so and still make the playoffs?? Why throw a guy in the lineup with ~ 10 games left and risk additional injury - especially with a guy who's missed all or most of the season??

Another factor here is: You still have to actually make the playoffs with that key player being out. Vegas still had to make the playoffs without Stone and Tampa still had to make the playoffs without Kucherov. The Kings will hypothetically still have to make the playoffs without Arvidsson. That's a lot easier said than done.

For me, I'd only label it as cheating if the guy on LTIR was legitimately healthy for the last 15+ games of the regular season and was intentionally held out of the lineup strictly for cap reasons. Sure, we might think that's what has happened with guys like Kucherov/Stone but we don't know for sure. Ultimately until they make an actual rule about it and/or begin investigating players on LTIR, this is just going to be a part of this cap-strapped league. If teams have guys dealing with serious injuries and can afford to keep them on LTIR and still make the playoffs, then ice the guy in the first round after missing significant time, they're going to do so.
The solution is easy, make the play-off rosters have to be cap compliant.
 
There's about 2.6m in space at the moment..due to taking on Laf and not burying JADs cap hit (not sure how that part works).. but I think we forgot how f***ed up the cap space was that was solved by the LTIR
That's enough cap space to afford pretty much anyone at the deadline as long as RV doesn't comeback during the regular season.
 

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