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Little Psycho said:
Never seen this clip before.

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It actually goes further back than 2019

www.csmonitor.com

Are the L.A. Kings the worst thing to happen to hockey?

The L.A. Kings are on the cusp of hoisting the Stanley Cup, sitting 3-0 ahead of the New Jersey Devils. But their defensive style, reliant on the shot block, drains the life out of hockey, critics say.
www.csmonitor.com www.csmonitor.com

I stumbled upon this article accidentally when searching about the 11-12 Kings. I wanted to mention that I remember “Size & Skill” being thrown around during those days regarding the Kings. None of those guys were pushovers. Gotta be my favorite roster.
 
All The Kings Men said:
Not to harp on you personally but I have always disagreed with the idea that Sutter wore out his welcome (not sure you're even saying that)
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My interpretation (and also my opinion) is that Sutter's style is often a war of attrition that just breaks down the team eventually. That's why I felt he would generally have a shorter lifespan on a team.
 
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Sol said:
With the context of what he's done to this team with him intentionally headhunting Kings, do you still think people shouldn't be intending to injure him whether with a cheapshot or hitting with intent to injure? Can you explain to me why this is off the table?
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I am not a pure subscriber of Hammurabi's Code.
 
With an LA win and a STL loss tonight, the Kings are in a really good place to secure the last wildcard spot. The Predators, Kings, and Blues, each have 6 games remaining. Preds have 92 points, Kings have 91, and Blues have 84.

If the Blues win out, they can get to 96 points. LA would need to go at least 3-3-0 or 2-2-2 over the next 6 to get to 97 points. Every Blues loss makes that even easier, though their schedule isn't too tough. They play the Sharks, Ducks, Blackhawks, Hurricanes, Kraken, and Stars.

If the Kings somehow lost out, the Blues would need to go 4-2-0 or 3-1-2 to get to 92 points.

The Kings are also right on the tails of the Predators, and it'll be interesting to see who gets the Stars (or maybe the Avalanche) and who gets the Canucks (or maybe the Oilers, although that's seeming pretty unlikely right now).

All that to say LA is in a comfortable but not guaranteed spot to secure a playoff birth.
 
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BigKing said:
I has typed out a thing on "team toughness" in an earlier response but deleted it. That used to be short hand for "this team isn't actually tough and has no fighters" but the game has changed where you can have Trent Frederic as your best fighter and be considered one of the tougher teams in the league because everyone has bought in and, honestly, it doesn't take close to what it used to when being considered a "tough" team.

Englund is maybe top three in fighting majors this year but the Kings are super soft anyways. I mentioned the Doughty/Tkachuk incident in the post above and we're still in a place where this team allows itself to get injured with dirty hits with no retribution. I've put the laundry list of incidents out there previously and it's disgusting. Huge indictment of Blake's roster construction.

As for 2012-14, Nolan could go with anyone and Clifford was always game. Dwight King had zero issues in a fight against Reaves and nobody thinks of Dwight King as a fighter but he was huge and his brother was a legit HW. Greene would drop the gloves against anyone and immediately fall down if he was lucky but he's probably the best example of what I'm talking about: a guy that obviously sucks at fighting and doesn't like it is going to step in regardless.

The old adage of "it's not about who wins or loses a fight: it's about showing up" is 100% on point. The Kings have a bunch of guys that are afraid. It is still a man's game and this roster isn't up to the challenge. It might be constructed to win a Cup in 2044 once everything is banned and it is all about forechecking with poke checks and playing nice, but it isn't winning anytime soon until there is a complete change in mindset.
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Great post. Don’t forget Willie Mitchell and Robyn Regehr who destroyed Reaves with a hit in 2012 playoffs.

The Kings had Clifford, Nolan, King, Richards, Penner, Mitchell, Regehr and Greene. All were either big, mean or could hit and fight.
 
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Johnny Utah said:
Great post. Don’t forget Willie Mitchell and Robyn Regehr who destroyed Reaves with a hit in 2012 playoffs.

The Kings had Clifford, Nolan, King, Richards, Penner, Mitchell, Regehr and Greene. All were either big, mean or could hit and fight.
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Don't sleep on Brad Richardson.

 
kilowatt said:
With an LA win and a STL loss tonight, the Kings are in a really good place to secure the last wildcard spot. The Predators, Kings, and Blues, each have 6 games remaining. Preds have 92 points, Kings have 91, and Blues have 84.

If the Blues win out, they can get to 96 points. LA would need to go at least 3-3-0 or 2-2-2 over the next 6 to get to 97 points. Every Blues loss makes that even easier, though their schedule isn't too tough. They play the Sharks, Ducks, Blackhawks, Hurricanes, Kraken, and Stars.

If the Kings somehow lost out, the Blues would need to go 4-2-0 or 3-1-2 to get to 92 points.

The Kings are also right on the tails of the Predators, and it'll be interesting to see who gets the Stars (or maybe the Avalanche) and who gets the Canucks (or maybe the Oilers, although that's seeming pretty unlikely right now).

All that to say LA is in a comfortable but not guaranteed spot to secure a playoff birth.
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I can see the Blues going 4-2 but you never know. Kings need to just take care of business.
 
Sol said:
Missing context as usual ay Johnny boy, Lizotte was never the same this season after he got injured. He was amazing this season before he got injured. Also, Kempe sucked this season as well, but he was lights out before he got injured in the pre-season. He never rebounded.
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You seem to be implying I'm saying something that I didn't say.
 
kilowatt said:
With an LA win and a STL loss tonight, the Kings are in a really good place to secure the last wildcard spot. The Predators, Kings, and Blues, each have 6 games remaining. Preds have 92 points, Kings have 91, and Blues have 84.

If the Blues win out, they can get to 96 points. LA would need to go at least 3-3-0 or 2-2-2 over the next 6 to get to 97 points. Every Blues loss makes that even easier, though their schedule isn't too tough. They play the Sharks, Ducks, Blackhawks, Hurricanes, Kraken, and Stars.

If the Kings somehow lost out, the Blues would need to go 4-2-0 or 3-1-2 to get to 92 points.

The Kings are also right on the tails of the Predators, and it'll be interesting to see who gets the Stars (or maybe the Avalanche) and who gets the Canucks (or maybe the Oilers, although that's seeming pretty unlikely right now).

All that to say LA is in a comfortable but not guaranteed spot to secure a playoff birth.
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Schedules

St Louis (84 points 6 games remain) max 96 if 6-0

@ San Jose 4/6
@ Anaheim 4/7
vs Chicago 4/10
vs Carolina 4/12
vs Seattle 4/14
@ Dallas 4/17

Los Angeles (91p 6 games remain) need 6 points max for PO's so 3-3-0

vs Vancouver 4/6
@ Anaheim 4/9
vs Calgary 4/11
vs Anaheim 4/13
vs Minnesota 4/15
vs Chicago 4/18

Nashville (92p 6 games remain) projected WC spot because 6 points behind Winnipeg. 5 points max needed so 2-3-1 for PO's

@ NY Islanders 4/6
@ NJ Devils 4/7
@ Winnipeg 4/9
@ Chicago 4/12
vs Columbus 4/13
@ Pittsburgh 4/15

Las Vegas (92p 7 games remain) 5 points max needed so 2-3-1 for PO's

@ Arizona 4/5
@ Vancouver 4/8
@ Edmonton 4/10
vs Minnesota 4/12
vs Colorado 4/14
vs Chicago 4/16
vs Anaheim 4/18

Looking like
Dallas vs WC2 ( LA or LV and longshot of Nashville)
Vancouver vs WC1 (Nashville or slim chance of LA or LV)
Edmonton vs LV or LA
Colorado vs Winnipeg
 
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We have no f***ing chance against the Stars, or really Edmonton for that matter. Vancouver is the best we can hope for as far as matchups go...
 
I hate the idea of playing Edmonton again but would take them 100% over playing Dallas. Of course, playing anyone other than them is a pure win in my book :P I doubt Edmonton is happy about potentially facing Vegas, that would be the only silver lining to playing Dallas :P
 
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