LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

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Who can afford to take that contract?
Not that I'm a proponent of trading Doughty (I am all for keeping vets like Kopitar and Doughty, provided they actually accept the org's decision to rebuild), but a team can retain up to 50% salary.

Doughty at $5.5 million would be a get for any contender.
 
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Not that I'm a proponent of trading Doughty (I am all for keeping vets like Kopitar and Doughty, provided they actually accept the org's decision to rebuild), but a team can retain up to 50% salary.

Doughty at $5.5 million would be a get for any contender.
I can’t see AEG retaining anywhere close to that.
 
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All things considered, Doughty has probably been our best player this season.

He wants to win. It's not going to happen here. I don't think he ends his career with LA.


It is a tough situation all around. I've often thought throughout this season that Doughty has been overall exceptional and the team would be out of the playoffs easily without him - he gets a lot of flak for not being Superman, and some of it is deserved, but he still pretty much is our blueline superhero and he holds up. He is still clearly our best defenseman and honestly still elite in many ways. He may not be on anyone's top lists anymore in the NHL, but he is very difficult to play against and still drives offense despite not being exceptional at it.

Despite all that, it would be very smart to consider moving him, but given the current state, poltics, and climate of the team and its ownership I don't see how that is possible. It is almost like the prospect of trading Roy. They should have, but there is no possible way to trade him and then turn around and continue to convince ownership that they are trying to compete for a cup. The second you trade him, Blake is essentially waiving the white flag and saying we are regressing, retooling, rebuilding, or even just re-evaluating our intentions or position to compete which he absolutely cannot do in his position. No matter what you think of him or his decision-making, he does not have any more rope to sell to AEG for more patience and leniency, and there is nowhere left to run but either into the brick wall ahead or miraculously somehow clear it and make it to the finish line.

In the end, I don't see Doughty going anywhere because AEG just committed to a retool/rebuild, both he and Kopitar have either a NTC or NMC and both I think have expressed their desire to end up like Brown over Quick. Of course, the mere fact of what happened to Quick keeps that door open, but both want to retire here, I think they have quite a bit of clout within the organization and with ownership, and as long as their play holds up to decent levels I don't see the philosophy of the team shifting greatly within the next 1-3 years regardless. I suppose it will all fall to who takes the reins after Blake and what they are able to sell AEG on, but I doubt they are going to hire someone who is interested in a firesale and rebuild.
 
Who can afford to take that contract?
We always say that about these big contracts, but they always find a way to move them.

More than one team can retain BTW.

In the end, I don't see Doughty going anywhere because AEG just committed to a retool/rebuild, both he and Kopitar have either a NTC or NMC and both I think have expressed their desire to end up like Brown over Quick. Of course, the mere fact of what happened to Quick keeps that door open, but both want to retire here, I think they have quite a bit of clout within the organization and with ownership, and as long as their play holds up to decent levels I don't see the philosophy of the team shifting greatly within the next 1-3 years regardless. I suppose it will all fall to who takes the reins after Blake and what they are able to sell AEG on, but I doubt they are going to hire someone who is interested in a firesale and rebuild.
I don't think it's going to happen right away. I just think there's a good possibility he doesn't end his current contract in LA.

In a scenario where the Kings start sucking again, I could see him wanting out.
 
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We always say that about these big contracts, but they also find a way to move them.

More than one team can retain BTW.


I don't think it's going to happen right away. I just think there's a good possibility he doesn't end his current contract in LA.

In a scenario where the Kings start sucking again, I could see him wanting out.
Agreed and it is a fair point. Kopitar, even with his extension, has a better chance of going out like Brown than Doughty does since Dewey has 3 more seasons at $11M/year, not to mention he is 2-3 years younger than Kopi and may likely look to keep playing a couple of years after the deal as well. I could see it going either way, but he is definitely more likely to end up somewhere else between the two remaining old guard.
 
It is a tough situation all around. I've often thought throughout this season that Doughty has been overall exceptional and the team would be out of the playoffs easily without him - he gets a lot of flak for not being Superman, and some of it is deserved, but he still pretty much is our blueline superhero and he holds up. He is still clearly our best defenseman and honestly still elite in many ways. He may not be on anyone's top lists anymore in the NHL, but he is very difficult to play against and still drives offense despite not being exceptional at it.

Despite all that, it would be very smart to consider moving him, but given the current state, poltics, and climate of the team and its ownership I don't see how that is possible. It is almost like the prospect of trading Roy. They should have, but there is no possible way to trade him and then turn around and continue to convince ownership that they are trying to compete for a cup. The second you trade him, Blake is essentially waiving the white flag and saying we are regressing, retooling, rebuilding, or even just re-evaluating our intentions or position to compete which he absolutely cannot do in his position. No matter what you think of him or his decision-making, he does not have any more rope to sell to AEG for more patience and leniency, and there is nowhere left to run but either into the brick wall ahead or miraculously somehow clear it and make it to the finish line.

In the end, I don't see Doughty going anywhere because AEG just committed to a retool/rebuild, both he and Kopitar have either a NTC or NMC and both I think have expressed their desire to end up like Brown over Quick. Of course, the mere fact of what happened to Quick keeps that door open, but both want to retire here, I think they have quite a bit of clout within the organization and with ownership, and as long as their play holds up to decent levels I don't see the philosophy of the team shifting greatly within the next 1-3 years regardless. I suppose it will all fall to who takes the reins after Blake and what they are able to sell AEG on, but I doubt they are going to hire someone who is interested in a firesale and rebuild.
Isn't Drew like 5th in goals from a D, and top in TOI? Definitely should get some Norris love yet seems like some want to retain just to see him gone.

Call Mike Grier, i'm sure he'll make it work.
but what would San Jose be willing to deal that would interest the kings. Drew is not some cap casualty.
 
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Not sure if this was the case prior to COVID but in the years since you've only been allowed to send players to the AHL if they were on the AHL roster on "clear day" (the trade deadline)

Most people assume the conversations are limited to the AHL Playoffs eligibility rule and maybe that's the origin but I don't honestly know.

I was messing around with CapFriendly's cap calculator today and based on WHEN and IF Arvidsson and Grundstrom return they may not actually HAVE to assign anyone but even if they do their options are limited to those two guys.

I think... I'm like 99.9% sure.
on cap friendly Ritich is still on Emergency loan. Would have thought that would have changed once Copley was on LTIR. Do you know?
 
I can’t see AEG retaining anywhere close to that.
I agree. But it doesn't have to be 50%. A third team could also be involved to be part of the retention.

The point is that Doughty's contract is an obstacle that could be overcome if push comes to shove. He's not an unmovable player with his skillset.

Same thing with Kopitar if he's not on board with a rebuild.
 
on cap friendly Ritich is still on Emergency loan. Would have thought that would have changed once Copley was on LTIR. Do you know?
I don't.

But also on CapFriendly is you move Rittich down it does change the team cap hit so.... the end result is the same I think?
 
I don't.

But also on CapFriendly is you move Rittich down it does change the team cap hit so.... the end result is the same I think?
ya i think it is definitely a moot point, was just curious.

Done with this 11/7. It’s not effective without Clarke being 7 to get some extra offense.

#FreeArty
agreed. I was pushing 11/7 when one of Spence or Clarke was always benched. Does not make sense now, and need to use last 20 some odd games to build pairing chemistry...mostly with Spence.
 
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I agree. But it doesn't have to be 50%. A third team could also be involved to be part of the retention.

The point is that Doughty's contract is an obstacle that could be overcome if push comes to shove. He's not an unmovable player with his skillset.

Same thing with Kopitar if he's not on board with a rebuild.
Next year with Kopitar's cap hit he could easily be moved....I don't think this is a team in a position to rebuild though. Even if you move Drew and Kopitar out is the team that much worse than a lot of other mucky middle teams? Calgary, St. Louis, Nashville, Seattle and Arizona on paper would not scare me even with out 11 and 8.
 
Next year with Kopitar's cap hit he could easily be moved....I don't think this is a team in a position to rebuild though. Even if you move Drew and Kopitar out is the team that much worse than a lot of other mucky middle teams? Calgary, St. Louis, Nashville, Seattle and Arizona on paper would not scare me even with out 11 and 8.

Within 5 seconds of reading your first line I mentally bet everything I owned he’d have a NMC. He does.

This guy is two months younger than me. Some days its all I can do to mentally and physically coax myself out of bed in the mornings. If I had my retirement money in line and just had to punch a clock for a couple more years in the city where I raised my family, I’m not going anywhere, I can do the time.
 
Within 5 seconds of reading your first line I mentally bet everything I owned he’d have a NMC. He does.

This guy is two months younger than me. Some days its all I can do to mentally and physically coax myself out of bed in the mornings. If I had my retirement money in line and just had to punch a clock for a couple more years in the city where I raised my family, I’m not going anywhere, I can do the time.
FWIW I am glad he has a full NMC.
 
I think everyone is making too much of the SUCK the Kings are going through.

Despite being inept offensively, on paper, the Kings are definitely a talented team. Having a brain dead coach in Todd and a brain dead Gm in Blake will result in bizarre management and formation. Regardless of what happens Hiller is only an interim coach and Blake is most likely gone. The season is likely lost but next season should give us a better understanding how this team will perform IF the Kings put a better staff in place.

Blake will be allowed to play manage out his contract thru next season, most likely.

He got rid of Coach Tod and Hiller is getting it done, vindicating Blake's action.

like Hiller so far, and who is really out there this summer for a head coach?

Also with all those injuries right before the deadline he basically opted into a mulligan.

Seems you think the Kings are not going to the playoffs, as you said the season is lost?

Thankfully you have made many bold but incorrect predictions, in addition to the two above.

I know a lot of posters here have many very elaborate fantasies about what the Kings are going to do and what they think they should do lol.

It's nothing personal , I just tend to see things differently than most of the regulars here.
You either believe we’re a contender with Kopitar and Doughty leading the way or you don’t. I gave up on the idea once Vegas swept us 6 years ago.
Weird , I thought hockey teams have up to a 23 man roster ?

But you make it black and white based on 2 of 23?

Danault was not signing with LA to be a 3rd line center, people who thought this were naive. It was widely reported that he wanted to go somewhere that he was going to be put in a scoring position. People just wanted to believe otherwise because it was an admission that players they were emotionally invested in were either behind schedule or they were being written off completely.

LA was trying to appease Doughty and perhaps Kopitar too (he just may not have gone to the media) so they were trying to contend for the playoffs, and the drafted centers were in a tough spot to try and achieve that goal.

Byfield was clearly not ready to assume that role, I think he was a longer-term project than they imagined when he was drafted. If they took a guy who was going to take 4 seasons to reach a top-6 role while still wanting to contend with 11 and 8 they are dumber than anyone thought.

Vilardi had major injury issues and had looked pretty bad as a center the year before Danault was signed. His skating was going to make it impossible for him to play the position. He has since developed into a serviceable 2nd line winger but they were right that he couldn't play C.

Turcotte's lack of an offensive game was clearly obvious to everyone by then, and internally they had to have known he had zero chance to be a 2nd line center (see Jim Fox interview and subsequent walk-back).

I like Danault, he is a solid player and by all indications is a great locker-room presence. I think any contender would love to have this guy centering their 3rd line, but for LA he was a poor signing. It was the proverbial fork in the road moment for Blake, where he could have gone down the foolish path of trying to contend with older players, with a roster construction that has never been successful, or going down the path where he turned the franchise over to the next gen


eration and continued rebuilding for three more years. The decision to go down the route he did, and the subsequent moves (trading Faber, trading for and signing PLD, punting 1st round picks) is unfortunately going to set the franchise back probably 5 additional seasons from being contenders than it would have had they committed to the youth, where they'd probably be coming out of the rebuild in an amazing spot to be long-term contenders.

I think the plan was to have PLD as the L2 center, possibly with Fiala and whoever else.

Moore with Danault as his chemistry center has outperformed and Fiala has lived up to his billing more often recently.

Big players like Byfield are notorious for taking a bit longer to develop , everyone acknowledges it except a few of the blind spotted comments here.
Sure they wanted him to come along sooner and have the Kings contending sooner with 11th. 8 and every other jersey number they roster.
The vaccine push and the leg injury sealed the fate.

Vilardi is made of glass and Blake was smart to trade him for PLD, although they also hoped he would come along sooner. He is rounding into form and the playoffs are the final exams for everyone from Beckerman on down to the popcorn guy.

TUrcotte also had many injuries and a big delay with lowered expectations now.
His story has not been written with a conclusion yet.
Reminds me of the choir singing bad things about Kempe and then some guy the called Senor Bustfield.
Not that Alex is quite on that level but he could be a 3C plus or a winger too,

Danault was a great signing.
Where would we be withoutt and Moore and now gelled with Fiala?
It's very likely AEG wants to keep as many seats occupied as possible and they did not want the full rebuild, the rebuild that many comments still pine for a decade later.
That ship has sailed...around the world by now.
But whatever floats your boat.

If the next 100 years of Kings hockey and the careers of Byfield and Clarke are already ruined why comment here, why watch Kings hockey?
It is illogical , unless you are a masochist.
Is this board mostly frequented by masochistic comments.
I believe, the answer is yes.
As a matter of fact people seem to lose it on good old fashioned, my home team hockey fans here from what I have read in a large number of comments.

Seeing things very clearly after 9 months at a Buddhist temple in the Himalayas.
Fortunately they had cable.
 
It's very likely AEG wants to keep as many seats occupied as possible and they did not want the full rebuild, the rebuild that many comments still pine for a decade later.
That ship has sailed...around the world by now.
But whatever floats your boat.
This bolded part is 100% factually inaccurate and is a head in the sand ignoring of facts. AEG signed off on the full rebuild, and that was why the team was gutted and traded off after Blake was hired.
The only reason the rebuild was abandoned in the summer of 2021 was because Doughty went whining to the media in his exit interview.

Blake had AEGs full support on a rebuild until that summer of 2021. It wasn't until those exit interviews that things suddenly changed, Kings go out and sign Danault, trade for Arvidson, later trade for Fiala, and then PLD. Up until the summer of 2021 the Kings had been dumping assets like crazy for draft capital and cap space.
 
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This bolded part is 100% factually inaccurate and is a head in the sand ignoring of facts. AEG signed off on the full rebuild, and that was why the team was gutted and traded off after Blake was hired.
The only reason the rebuild was abandoned in the summer of 2021 was because Doughty went whining to the media in his exit interview.

Blake had AEGs full support on a rebuild until that summer of 2021. It wasn't until those exit interviews that things suddenly changed, Kings go out and sign Danault, trade for Arvidson, layer trade for Fiala, and then PLD. Up until the summer of 2021 the Kings had been dumping assets like crazy for draft capital and cap space.

Every summer you reassess where you are and the direction of the team and then arrange the pieces.

Doughty's words may have been a factor.
You can bet any words from ownership would be a major factor and unless Anshultz had his ringer
off, lol, likely revenue is broached.
past , current and future.
 
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Every summer you reassess where you are and the direction of the team and then arrange the pieces.

Doughty's words may have been a factor.
You can bet any words from ownership would be a major factor and unless Anshultz had his ringer
off, lol, likely revenue is broached.
past , current and future.
(This is going by win percentage, which is really the only way to do it due to the shortened 2020 and 2021 seasons)

The Kings had just completed their worst season under Blake, and suddenly just decided now was the time to bring in veterans and to start trading picks and prospects for established players abandoning the rebuild?

So Blake is just awful at evaluating the roster then? Because that what it sounds like what you're saying. This team has done nothing but waste money and draft capital on 1st round playoff exits since 2021.
 
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(This is going by win percentage, which is really the only way to do it due to the shortened 2020 and 2021 seasons)

The Kings had just completed their worst season under Blake, and suddenly just decided now was the time to bring in veterans and to start trading picks and prospects for established players abandoning the rebuild?

So Blake is just awful at evaluating the roster then? Because that what it sounds like what you're saying. This team has done nothing but waste money and draft capital on 1st round playoff exits since 2021.

That's when they did switch course, clear to everyone.

I don't have any insider info not sure about you.

So we are both speculating, although the winning percentage angle is interesting.

It could have been affecting attendance and revenue and contributed to the Kings change in direction.

I didn't touch on Blake's evaluation of talent, no.

First round playoff exits to potentially historically significant teams like the OIlers with McDavid and Draisaital are a disappointment and not a waste, in my book anyway.
 
I just miss having a team that has some heart and spark

even as agonizing as the first oilers series was you had guys like kempe and durzi and anderson being f***ing pricks not just rolling over like...everything they've done since

I'd trade em all and start building around byfield immediately at this point, that dude was pushing people around all night, he was pissed. Almost everyone else? Trying not to get hurt to save vacation plans. Send em all to the coldest city you can find. I'm f***ing over it.
 
I just miss having a team that has some heart and spark

even as agonizing as the first oilers series was you had guys like kempe and durzi and anderson being f***ing pricks not just rolling over like...everything they've done since

I'd trade em all and start building around byfield immediately at this point, that dude was pushing people around all night, he was pissed. Almost everyone else? Trying not to get hurt to save vacation plans. Send em all to the coldest city you can find. I'm f***ing over it.
I think Kings needs to change coach, management and revamp system they are playing.
What strike me the most against Dallas it is how slow LA players reacted playing offense and defense.
It is like all of them do not have hockey IQ and one step slower comparing to Dallas players.
I know Kings have slow players, but not all of them are slow.

P.S. I am not even talking about their goalies…
 
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