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LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

GoldenBearHockey said:
Agreed, he didn't MAKE the team with the intent of him playing on the team, that's the whole point....there was no intention of him playing the year out last year in LA....not sure why people are thinking there was.
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Lol. Read what KP wrote again, pretty sure he's agreeing with what I said but can't see your posts because he has you on ignore.:laugh:
 
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tigermask48 said:
For the first 9 games of last year Clarke was one of the 6 best options on defense that the Kings had, this is a fact given that he played. Thus he made the team out of camp. Full stop. That's it. He made the team out of camp. You're the one that keeps adding these "yeah but" statements and trying to change what making the team means.

Lias Anderson was called up from Ontario November 27th 2022 to play one game and then sent to Ontario on November 29, 2022. So no the two situations are not similar at all. Lias was on the NHL roster for two days, not 3 months like Clarke was (other than 14 days) when he was on loan to Ontario. But during that time from what i understand he was still being paid his full NHL salary rather than his minor league salary. It was a conditioning loan rather than him being sent down.
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Yes, because they didn't have the option to send Clarke down, it was NHL or OHL.....you didn't know that?
 
tigermask48 said:
Again, that isn't what we are discussing. On opening night of the regular season last year Clarke was on the NHL roster so he made the team. The rest if this nonsense is completely irrelevant.
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LOL Yea, you are pedantic as all today aren't you......you are like the guy who comes home, all excited because you WON THE LOTTERY.....and when pressed, it was a fiver.......
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
LOL Yea, you are pedantic as all today aren't you......you are like the guy who comes home, all excited because you WON THE LOTTERY.....and when pressed, it was a fiver.......
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Unfortunately goaltending and special teams and finishing are part of the game

If we exit in the first round because of goaltending and special teams yet again, time's gotta be up for TM and Blake.
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Well yeah. I mean that's exactly why we just lost to Colorado, Boston and Carolina. Goaltending and special teams.

But I'd rather be lacking a goaltender, than only having two functioning forward lines and a good goaltender.

The Kings were getting badly outplayed by Edmonton at even strength last year in the playoffs. Adding a center and improved D lines should address that. I don't care how good your PK is, that Oilers PP was gonna get theirs. I think they scored more PP goals against Vegas than they did against us.

Raccoon Jesus said:
Unfortunately for us, historically I can't think of a coach who gets less out of more than TM. McDavid/Draisaitl, and a team full of future HOFers in the Sharks...
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I'm not sure that's totally fair, at least in his stint with LA. This Kings team really had no business taking that Oilers team to 13 of a possible 14 games.

Tippet and Hitchcock didn't do any better with that Oilers team. Woodcroft got them 1 game further than Tmac did and he has a better roster IMO.
 
johnjm22 said:
Well yeah. I mean that's exactly why we just lost to Colorado, Boston and Carolina. Goaltending and special teams.

But I'd rather be lacking a goaltender, than only having two functioning forward lines and a good goaltender.

The Kings were getting badly outplayed by Edmonton at even strength last year in the playoffs. Adding a center and improved D lines should address that. I don't care how good your PK is, that Oilers PP was gonna get theirs. I think they scored more PP goals against Vegas than they did against us.


I'm not sure that's totally fair, at least in his stint with LA. This Kings team really had no business taking that Oilers team to 13 of a possible 14 games.

Tippet and Hitchcock didn't do any better with that Oilers team. Woodcroft got them 1 game further than Tmac did and he has a better roster IMO.
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Oh, I didn't mean to come off as if I was disagreeing. The vast majority of the game is spent at ES and dominating there is a good sign. My concern is that those other 'niche' situations are SO bad that they're undoing all the other good work. They SHOULD be more fixable, too. But they've been ongoing worries and worth noting.

Re: TM, sure, find me another high-profile, highly-paid coach that you can make an argument for given the teams he's coached and I'm all ears. He keeps getting extra lives but hasn't done anything to earn them. Look what happened immediately after TM left his last positions. Look what's happened to our players once they leave him. There's a lot of evidence of team and player underperformance under TM. He's got a limited bag of tricks that's easily countered and a loooong history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I mean if that's not a fair characterization it'll be easy to find other examples, right?
 
I know this phrase from my father who is a big baseball fan so no ideas of the origins and I'm sure he didn't create it, it's a play on the "the Devil's greatest trick" phrase.

"The Devil's most entertaining trick is convincing baseball owners that there are only 100 people in the world capable of being a GM or Head Coach".

That feels true with the Kings, and large pockets of the NHL. It's so rare that a relative unknown gets a job. They always have been an assistant somewhere in the NHL. You rarely see a coach jump from head coach in juniors or college straight to the NHL and when they do it's usually with an extremely short leash. Yet guys like Todd, Boudreau, Desjardins, Hitchcock, Stevens, Babcock continue to find work.
 
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tigermask48 said:
I know this phrase from my father who is a big baseball fan so no ideas of the origins and I'm sure he didn't create it, it's a play on the "the Devil's greatest trick" phrase.

"The Devil's most entertaining trick is convincing baseball owners that there are only 100 people in the world capable of being a GM or Head Coach".

That feels true with the Kings, and large pockets of the NHL. It's so rare that a relative unknown gets a job. They always have been an assistant somewhere in the NHL. You rarely see a coach jump from head coach in juniors or college straight to the NHL and when they do it's usually with an extremely short leash. Yet guys like Todd, Boudreau, Desjardins, Hitchcock, Stevens, Babcock continue to find work.
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Yah, the idea of these guys being able to provide real world experience is such a wild concept. Who does that?!
 
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tigermask48 said:
I know this phrase from my father who is a big baseball fan so no ideas of the origins and I'm sure he didn't create it, it's a play on the "the Devil's greatest trick" phrase.

"The Devil's most entertaining trick is convincing baseball owners that there are only 100 people in the world capable of being a GM or Head Coach".

That feels true with the Kings, and large pockets of the NHL. It's so rare that a relative unknown gets a job. They always have been an assistant somewhere in the NHL. You rarely see a coach jump from head coach in juniors or college straight to the NHL and when they do it's usually with an extremely short leash. Yet guys like Todd, Boudreau, Desjardins, Hitchcock, Stevens, Babcock continue to find work.
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Gotta say, I think the difference between an average coach and a great coach is luck. That’s why I think the Kings are screwed since Todd is neither good or average. He’s just a f***in koala who’s making fat stacks for some reason.
 
Sol said:
Gotta say, I think the difference between an average coach and a great coach is luck. That’s why I think the Kings are screwed since Todd is neither good or average. He’s just a f***in koala who’s making fat stacks for some reason.
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Ehh, I wouldn't call it luck, but ther'es definitely 'fit' involved, and of course the players have to play, but I think people generally undersell NHL coaching. There are some very visible trends

For example, Tippet referenced above--dude was absolutely amazing at getting more out of less/budget rosters but can't do much with high talent.

McLellan is an absolutely excellent regular season coach as far as setup, xs-and-os, but gets exposed in the playoffs with stubbornness, an easily scouted and countered system, and inability to make adjustments to the bench or strategy both in game and in series.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Ehh, I wouldn't call it luck, but ther'es definitely 'fit' involved, and of course the players have to play, but I think people generally undersell NHL coaching. There are some very visible trends

For example, Tippet referenced above--dude was absolutely amazing at getting more out of less/budget rosters but can't do much with high talent.

McLellan is an absolutely excellent regular season coach as far as setup, xs-and-os, but gets exposed in the playoffs with stubbornness, an easily scouted and countered system, and inability to make adjustments to the bench or strategy both in game and in series.
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It also needs to be acknowledged that his systems are much less effective as the intensity of playoff games builds, outside of his stubbornness to change.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Oh, I didn't mean to come off as if I was disagreeing. The vast majority of the game is spent at ES and dominating there is a good sign. My concern is that those other 'niche' situations are SO bad that they're undoing all the other good work. They SHOULD be more fixable, too. But they've been ongoing worries and worth noting.

Re: TM, sure, find me another high-profile, highly-paid coach that you can make an argument for given the teams he's coached and I'm all ears. He keeps getting extra lives but hasn't done anything to earn them. Look what happened immediately after TM left his last positions. Look what's happened to our players once they leave him. There's a lot of evidence of team and player underperformance under TM. He's got a limited bag of tricks that's easily countered and a loooong history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I mean if that's not a fair characterization it'll be easy to find other examples, right?
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After TMac left the Oilers, you had Hitchcock, then Tippet. Both of whom got less out of the Oilers than Tmac did. And honestly those teams had pretty weak rosters. The current Edmonton team is pretty far removed from the one Tmac coached.

I've always said I think Todd is just an average coach.

He's only had 3 head coaching gigs. And when you consider the amount of wins he's racked up, it's not really hard to see why he would get another job.
 
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As long as Blake continues with the riding DD/Kopi and win with them roster mindset, rather than youth movement, having TM is fine. A different coach isn't going to matter much with the current Blake approach. It could be worse. Although i think it would be slightly better in the playoffs due to TMs stubbornness and lack of adjustments (assuming we get to the playoffs).

What really matters is the roster setup, team leadership and GM in a couple years.....once we stop riding Kopi/DD into their hockey graves.
 
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johnjm22 said:
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It's just flat-out bizarre that Byfield doesn't have more to show for his effort. You'd like to think it's luck, but man it's like a trend that never seems to end. Kempe on the other hand, just didn't seem to getting a lot of chances except for last game....not concerned about him.
 
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Axl Rhoadz said:
It's just flat-out bizarre that Byfield doesn't have more to show for his effort. You'd like to think it's luck, but man it's like a trend that never seems to end. Kempe on the other hand, just didn't seem to getting a lot of chances except for last game....not concerned about him.
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Finishing matters. The guys who can't do it don't produce. Regardless of much they drive play.
 
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johnjm22 said:
Finishing matters. The guys who can't do it don't produce. Regardless of much they drive play.
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But we're talking inches, right? I mean, how many crossbars has the guy hit in the last few weeks....I still feel like if he could just bury one or two, the floodgates will open.

It was the same thing with Laff...dude was constantly putting the puck to the net with nothing to show for it -- finally broke through last game.
 
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