LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

[Chazz Reinhold]

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[tigermask48]

So then he didn't make the team.....they were taking an extended look? No, that's not a strange way to handle a player

Lol. He was with the Kings until January before he was sent to juniors.

He absolutely made the team last year and had Blake unsure on how to handle him until after the WJCs.
To claim a player that was practicing with the team for 3 months, that Doughty personally wanted Blake to keep in the NHL, and was only sent down after almost half the season was done and every other opportunity had been exhausted, to claim he didn't make it is frankly asinine.

Saying he "didn't make the team" is 100% untrue.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Lol. He was with the Kings until January before he was sent to juniors.

He absolutely made the team last year and had Blake unsure on how to handle him until after the WJCs.
To claim a player that was practicing with the team for 3 months, that Doughty personally wanted Blake to keep in the NHL, and was only sent down after almost half the season was done and every other opportunity had been exhausted, is frankly asinine.

Saying he "didn't make the team" is 100% untrue.

so then....he "made" the team..in name only right?

 

[tigermask48]

so then....he "made" the team..in name only right?

To counter an absurd comment with an obtuse argument, did Viktor Arvidson "make" the Kings this year?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

To counter an absurd comment with an obtuse argument, did Viktor Arvidson "make" the Kings this year?

No, he made them back in 2021-2022......the fact that you have to conflate a proven player with an unproven player speaks volumes....

 

[tigermask48]

Lol. Sure Jan. Why do you hate prospects? You seem really hung up on this whole a prospect can't make the team out of camp and it never happens thing. It's a bit strange.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Lol. Sure Jan. Why do you hate prospects? You seem really hung up on this whole a prospect can't make the team out of camp and it never happens thing. It's a bit strange.

Not hung up on anything, I absolutely love the fact that Laferriere did it, he was ready when his number was called and he's making the most out of it, did it help that Arvidsson was injured, 100%, but that's pretty much how it goes, unless you completely outplay someone, you wait for a spot to open up,

Let me flip it, why you are so hung up on making things easy based on draft pedigree? Never had to work for anything in your life before?

 

[tigermask48]

Not hung up on anything, I absolutely love the fact that Laferriere did it, he was ready when his number was called and he's making the most out of it, did it help that Arvidsson was injured, 100%, but that's pretty much how it goes, unless you completely outplay someone, you wait for a spot to open up,

Let me flip it, why you are so hung up on making things easy based on draft pedigree? Never had to work for anything in your life before?

Wait, wait, wait. So Brandt Clarke didn't make the team last year? Viktor Arvidson who got injured in practice before the first game didn't make the team this year? But Laferriere, who was only kept because Kaliev was suspended and then Arvidson got injured made the team this year?

You're delusional if you think that, that may be one of the funniest, and wildest hot takes I've seen in years.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Wait, wait, wait. So Brandt Clarke didn't make the team last year? Viktor Arvidson who got injured in practice before the first game didn't make the team this year? But Laferriere, who was only kept because Kaliev was suspended and then Arvidson got injured made the team this year?

You're delusional if you think that, that may be one of the funniest, and wildest hot takes I've seen in years.

Is reading not your forte? I said Arvidsson made the team back in 2021-2022.....as a proven commodity.

Laferriere made the team this year, because Arvidsson is injured, long term,

Clarke "made the team" in a 9 game tryout function, kind of like MacTavish did in 2021-2022......

 

[tigermask48]

Is reading not your forte? I said Arvidsson made the team back in 2021-2022.....as a proven commodity.

Laferriere made the team this year, because Arvidsson is injured, long term,

Clarke "made the team" in a 9 game tryout function, kind of like MacTavish did in 2021-2022......

I asked about Arvidson this year specifically. What does 2021-2022 have to do with anything.

You do realize that Laferriere was sent to the minors after Kaliev was suspended and then recalled after Arvidson got hurt right?

Laf only made the team out of camp because Arvidson got hurt otherwise he'd be in Ontario.

But Clarke broke camp with the team last year. He wasn't an injury replacement, he played his way onto the team and stuck for 3 months.

You cannot say Laf made the team this year and Clarke "made" the team last year. The two are in fact mutually exclusive, they either both made the team out of camp or neither did.

You ignoring the facts in one case but not the other is just showing your bias in this instance.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I asked about Arvidson this year specifically. What does 2021-2022 have to do with anything.

You do realize that Laferriere was sent to the minors after Kaliev was suspended and then recalled after Arvidson got hurt right?

Laf only made the team out of camp because Arvidson got hurt otherwise he'd be in Ontario.

But Clarke broke camp with the team last year. He wasn't an injury replacement, he played his way onto the team and stuck for 3 months.

You cannot say Laf made the team this year and Clarke "made" the team last year. The two are in fact mutually exclusive, they either both made the team out of camp or neither did.

You ignoring the facts in one case but not the other is just showing your bias in this instance.

Was Laf supposed to play over Arvidson to start the year?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE:

Kings have the best 5v5 Expected Goals Percentage while having played the 3rd most difficult schedule in the league.

Unfortunately goaltending and special teams and finishing are part of the game

If we exit in the first round because of goaltending and special teams yet again, time's gotta be up for TM and Blake.

Unfortunately for us, historically I can't think of a coach who gets less out of more than TM. McDavid/Draisaitl, and a team full of future HOFers in the Sharks...

 

[bland]

Needles and pine cones. Look at the forest. Its top heavy with older talent that has not succeeded in nearly ten years. Instead of taking the opportunity that presented itself - the potential for another young group to come in, take ownership of the team and mature together just like the Kopitar, Doughty, Quick and Brown core that nobody wants to let go - these kids are being used as seasoning in an old dish of leftovers instead of ingredients in a new one.

Its not the playing time, its not the line combos, its the model. This management group won't acknowledge that the mileage on Kopitar and Doughty is too high for the length of the trip required to justify planning it around them.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I asked about Arvidson this year specifically. What does 2021-2022 have to do with anything.

You do realize that Laferriere was sent to the minors after Kaliev was suspended and then recalled after Arvidson got hurt right?

Laf only made the team out of camp because Arvidson got hurt otherwise he'd be in Ontario.

But Clarke broke camp with the team last year. He wasn't an injury replacement, he played his way onto the team and stuck for 3 months.

You cannot say Laf made the team this year and Clarke "made" the team last year. The two are in fact mutually exclusive, they either both made the team out of camp or neither did.

You ignoring the facts in one case but not the other is just showing your bias in this instance.

They are not mutually exclusive, when the only reason you "made" the team was to get an extended 9 game look.....you didn't make the team...you got...a longer look.

Lafeirre absolutely would not have made the team if Arvidsson did not get hurt, no one is saying otherwise, but, he's making the most of it when his number was called. If Clarke would have played the same last year, I don't think he gets sent down, but he did not.

If he STUCK for 3 months, explain why he only got 9 games? that's not sticking.......

Needles and pine cones. Look at the forest. Its top heavy with older talent that has not succeeded in nearly ten years. Instead of taking the opportunity that presented itself - the potential for another young group to come in, take ownership of the team and mature together just like the Kopitar, Doughty, Quick and Brown core that nobody wants to let go - these kids are being used as seasoning in an old dish of leftovers instead of ingredients in a new one.

Its not the playing time, its not the line combos, its the model. This management group won't acknowledge that the mileage on Kopitar and Doughty is too high for the length of the trip required to justify planning it around them.

You gotta define old to me.....because LA is one of the youngest teams in the league

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Needles and pine cones. Look at the forest. Its top heavy with older talent that has not succeeded in nearly ten years. Instead of taking the opportunity that presented itself - the potential for another young group to come in, take ownership of the team and mature together just like the Kopitar, Doughty, Quick and Brown core that nobody wants to let go - these kids are being used as seasoning in an old dish of leftovers instead of ingredients in a new one.

Its not the playing time, its not the line combos, its the model. This management group won't acknowledge that the mileage on Kopitar and Doughty is too high for the length of the trip required to justify planning it around them.

Go listen to the 32-thoughts podcast where they discuss why teams rebuild the way they do. Unless you have first hand knowledge of what ownership wants to do with the team that they pay for, you should stop pointing fingers.

 

[King'sPawn]

Lol. He was with the Kings until January before he was sent to juniors.

He absolutely made the team last year and had Blake unsure on how to handle him until after the WJCs.
To claim a player that was practicing with the team for 3 months, that Doughty personally wanted Blake to keep in the NHL, and was only sent down after almost half the season was done and every other opportunity had been exhausted, to claim he didn't make it is frankly asinine.

Saying he "didn't make the team" is 100% untrue.

Not to mention either Emerson or Yannetti has said in interviews that he was "NHL-ready".

He was sent down because there were no risks to being lost on waivers. Like Spence this season.

 

[tigermask48]

If he STUCK for 3 months, explain why he only got 9 games? that's not sticking.......

He played 9 games to start the season, was a healthy scratch, got sent on a conditioning assignment to Ontario for 14 days, practiced with the team until the WJCs started and then was finally sent to juniors in January.
In my opinion he was absolutely jerked around because Blake can't make a decision on anything until the absolute last minute and it hurt his development. Many here (myself included) wanted him playing instead of Durzi, Eller, and Walker last year.

But claiming he wasn't a part of the Kings roster after his 9 games is factually inaccurate.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Clarke was the best player on the ice until they moved him to the left side.

He looked like a different player this year, still great, but far less confident.

Same issue as with Toby. They don't want to let these guys play and learn--they have a very specific set of wants and criteria for them to be on the roster and so far it's done nothing but hurt. It's very telling that the guys developing AWAY from the team are so much better.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

So the NHL Edge stuff is fun. Not sure how useful, but fun.

Kempe and Byfield (and Kupari) with the highest clocked speeds this season (cue ByFiElD IsNt EvEn FaSt)



Kings as a team are fast too, obv up there in max speed tied for 3rd in high speed bursts, though significantly lower a few MPH slower

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

So the NHL Edge stuff is fun. Not sure how useful, but fun.

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Kempe and Byfield (and Kupari) with the highest clocked speeds this season (cue ByFiElD IsNt EvEn FaSt)



Kings as a team are fast too, obv up there in max speed tied for 3rd in high speed bursts, though significantly lower a few MPH slower

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It’s definitely fun to play around with. I like that it allows you to compare a player from year to year to see what has changed, if anything. I think it will be more valuable for analysis when some of the later versions come out that have more detailed zone entry and exit stats, individual player possession time, and passing stats.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

He played 9 games to start the season, was a healthy scratch, got sent on a conditioning assignment to Ontario for 14 days, practiced with the team until the WJCs started and then was finally sent to juniors in January.
In my opinion he was absolutely jerked around because Blake can't make a decision on anything until the absolute last minute and it hurt his development. Many here (myself included) wanted him playing instead of Durzi, Eller, and Walker last year.

But claiming he wasn't a part of the Kings roster after his 9 games is factually inaccurate.

And you wanna talk about moving the goalposts.....Ok, yes, you are technically correct, he was on the Kings Roster.....that doesn't mean he MADE THE TEAM though....f***, you actually have to play games to MAKE the team....

That's like arguing Lias Andersson MADE the team last year because he played ONE game.

 

[King'sPawn]

He played 9 games to start the season, was a healthy scratch, got sent on a conditioning assignment to Ontario for 14 days, practiced with the team until the WJCs started and then was finally sent to juniors in January.
In my opinion he was absolutely jerked around because Blake can't make a decision on anything until the absolute last minute and it hurt his development. Many here (myself included) wanted him playing instead of Durzi, Eller, and Walker last year.

But claiming he wasn't a part of the Kings roster after his 9 games is factually inaccurate.

The reason he played 9 games is because:
- playing his 10th would have burned off a year of his contract
- Kings had too many RD who were not waiver exempt: Doughty, Roy, Durzi, and Roy

So management sent Clarke down despite being NHL ready, per Kings management.

If you're arguing with anyone disputing or confused by this, they're clearly not paying attention or are just showing they have no intentions but to argue.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

The reason he played 9 games is because:
- playing his 10th would have burned off a year of his contract
- Kings had too many RD who were not waiver exempt: Doughty, Roy, Durzi, and Roy

So management sent Clarke down despite being NHL ready, per Kings management.

If you're arguing with anyone disputing or confused by this, they're clearly not paying attention or are just showing they have no intentions but to argue.

Agreed, he didn't MAKE the team with the intent of him playing on the team, that's the whole point....there was no intention of him playing the year out last year in LA....not sure why people are thinking there was.

 

[Statto]

Clarke was the best player on the ice until they moved him to the left side.

He looked like a different player this year, still great, but far less confident.

Same issue as with Toby. They don't want to let these guys play and learn--they have a very specific set of wants and criteria for them to be on the roster and so far it's done nothing but hurt. It's very telling that the guys developing AWAY from the team are so much better.

Fair assessment. Clarke was best RD behind Doughty both by the eye test and advanced stats. Roy was giving the pick up more than Durzi (fact at the point played game 9), Durzi was giving the puck away dangerously and costing us big goals (Roy did also) and Walker was way off the pace.

Clarke definitely looks like his instincts have been subdued.

 

[tigermask48]

And you wanna talk about moving the goalposts.....Ok, yes, you are technically correct, he was on the Kings Roster.....that doesn't mean he MADE THE TEAM though....f***, you actually have to play games to MAKE the team....

That's like arguing Lias Andersson MADE the team last year because he played ONE game.

For the first 9 games of last year Clarke was one of the 6 best options on defense that the Kings had, this is a fact given that he played. Thus he made the team out of camp. Full stop. That's it. He made the team out of camp. You're the one that keeps adding these "yeah but" statements and trying to change what making the team means.

Lias Anderson was called up from Ontario November 27th 2022 to play one game and then sent to Ontario on November 29, 2022. So no the two situations are not similar at all. Lias was on the NHL roster for two days, not 3 months like Clarke was (other than 14 days) when he was on loan to Ontario. But during that time from what i understand he was still being paid his full NHL salary rather than his minor league salary. It was a conditioning loan rather than him being sent down.