LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

[FrozenKing18]

I get that they’re attempting to be positive but the Kings are on an 8 game losing streak. Do they expect the fans to say, yeah everything’s all good, the team has no issues at all. They had to know the team will be criticized.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I’m actually confident they’ll play their way out of this and be really good again, with or without Todd. I’d prefer the latter because I like playoff wins.

I mean jsut out of dumb luck they're bound to get a win or three here shortly

but it doesn't change the problems or the play and even 3 wins won't bring them back to 500 over the last few weeks

that's why id on't like the focus on the streak, the big picture is they've been having these issues for a long time, results just masked them. two-three wins are just tylenol for a missing leg.

 

[fivehole32]

Even Bob Miller called out the team when they were awful. You can't expect the fans to not do it when they can see it with their own eyes. And RJ is right this is more than just a blip on the radar, there are coaching issues and structural issues at this point. A different coach may be able to mask the structural issue, but the Todd Father can't do it.

 

[tny760]

“Is that third period a precursor of things that come, we’ll see, we’ve got to play the game,” McLellan added.

god these pathetic moral victories

 

[Telos]

I am in the middle on the whole Carrlyn and Drew thing. I wouldn't direct any anger at them, they are in the shit and weathering the storm, though if I were them I would have held the line of silence as the fanbase is nearly maxed out on agitation. Drew is being Drew and he isn't 100% wrong either. The fanbase is clamoring for both Spence and Clarke but there is really no good answer here. Roy is underrated, one of our best defensemen and homegrown, and Clarke is very raw, green, and unproven, anyone hoping for him to save the season is maxed on copium.

On the other hand, the fanbase is at their wit's end. The team launched into the stratosphere and was on everyone's lips as a very dangerous cup contender only to do a mind-melting about-face and slam into the ground at full speed in the most spectacular and horrific fashion that is almost inexplicable.

Carrlyn is going to get flak because of course she is going to back Doughty and call for calm, and Doughty is going to get flak because he can't run a powerplay which is what it boils down to. It isn't his fault the team was built this way, he had a hand in motivating them to rebuild and retool a little faster, but he didn't pick the style, system, or trades. He still is pretty much our best defenseman, he just isn't an $11M one, more like a $7-8M one who is overplayed and forced into too many offensive situations that he can't handle anymore. It is TMac's fault that he and Kopitar are ridden into the grave.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I am in the middle on the whole Carrlyn and Drew thing. I wouldn't direct any anger at them, they are in the shit and weathering the storm, though if I were them I would have held the line of silence as the fanbase is nearly maxed out on agitation. Drew is being Drew and he isn't 100% wrong either. The fanbase is clamoring for both Spence and Clarke but there is really no good answer here. Roy is underrated, one of our best defensemen and homegrown, and Clarke is very raw, green, and unproven, anyone hoping for him to save the season is maxed on copium.

On the other hand, the fanbase is at their wit's end. The team launched into the stratosphere and was on everyone's lips as a very dangerous cup contender only to do a mind-melting about-face and slam into the ground at full speed in the most spectacular and horrific fashion that is almost inexplicable.

Carrlyn is going to get flak because of course she is going to back Doughty and call for calm, and Doughty is going to get flak because he can't run a powerplay which is what it boils down to. It isn't his fault the team was built this way, he had a hand in motivating them to rebuild and retool a little faster, but he didn't pick the style, system, or trades. He still is pretty much our best defenseman, he just isn't an $11M one, more like a $7-8M one who is overplayed and forced into too many offensive situations that he can't handle anymore. It is TMac's fault that he and Kopitar are ridden into the grave.

All of this....yes....but you can also flip it, what if we had a start like EDM.....and then picked up the pace where EDM is now....everyone would be singing a different tune.

Sure you have some guys who look at the black cloud of a loss, and say, see, we knew it all long, they will NEVER ever be positive, about anything on this team.....

But you have to get your head out of the fog from the losses, and see the bigger picture, have they played like shit the past 8 games, mostly yes, sometimes no, I wouldn't even call it "bad hockey" per se, but without heart, without energy, without passion, without purpose, whether that is on coaches, players or both, that's how they've played, and those same negative guys are crowing saying see, we are who we thought they were.....yet 10 game winning streak on the road, and not a peep from them....

Everyone is too high on wins, too low on losses, and a handful of people are low on everything.

 

[Statto]

All of this....yes....but you can also flip it, what if we had a start like EDM.....and then picked up the pace where EDM is now....everyone would be singing a different tune.

Sure you have some guys who look at the black cloud of a loss, and say, see, we knew it all long, they will NEVER ever be positive, about anything on this team.....

But you have to get your head out of the fog from the losses, and see the bigger picture, have they played like shit the past 8 games, mostly yes, sometimes no, I wouldn't even call it "bad hockey" per se, but without heart, without energy, without passion, without purpose, whether that is on coaches, players or both, that's how they've played, and those same negative guys are crowing saying see, we are who we thought they were.....yet 10 game winning streak on the road, and not a peep from them....

Everyone is too high on wins, too low on losses, and a handful of people are low on everything.

EDM needed a coaching change to change direction though. Something was changed and when it goes like this something has to change.

 

[Schmooley]

All of this....yes....but you can also flip it, what if we had a start like EDM.....and then picked up the pace where EDM is now....everyone would be singing a different tune.

Sure you have some guys who look at the black cloud of a loss, and say, see, we knew it all long, they will NEVER ever be positive, about anything on this team.....

But you have to get your head out of the fog from the losses, and see the bigger picture, have they played like shit the past 8 games, mostly yes, sometimes no, I wouldn't even call it "bad hockey" per se, but without heart, without energy, without passion, without purpose, whether that is on coaches, players or both, that's how they've played, and those same negative guys are crowing saying see, we are who we thought they were.....yet 10 game winning streak on the road, and not a peep from them....

Everyone is too high on wins, too low on losses, and a handful of people are low on everything.

Edmonton fired the coach

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

EDM needed a coaching change to change direction though. Something was changed and when it goes like this something has to change.

True forgot about that

Edmonton fired the coach

Yea see above

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

Everyone is too high on wins, too low on losses, and a handful of people are low on everything.

You're too high on the boring vanilla status quo middle

 

[Sol]

I am in the middle on the whole Carrlyn and Drew thing. I wouldn't direct any anger at them, they are in the shit and weathering the storm, though if I were them I would have held the line of silence as the fanbase is nearly maxed out on agitation. Drew is being Drew and he isn't 100% wrong either. The fanbase is clamoring for both Spence and Clarke but there is really no good answer here. Roy is underrated, one of our best defensemen and homegrown, and Clarke is very raw, green, and unproven, anyone hoping for him to save the season is maxed on copium.

On the other hand, the fanbase is at their wit's end. The team launched into the stratosphere and was on everyone's lips as a very dangerous cup contender only to do a mind-melting about-face and slam into the ground at full speed in the most spectacular and horrific fashion that is almost inexplicable.

Carrlyn is going to get flak because of course she is going to back Doughty and call for calm, and Doughty is going to get flak because he can't run a powerplay which is what it boils down to. It isn't his fault the team was built this way, he had a hand in motivating them to rebuild and retool a little faster, but he didn't pick the style, system, or trades. He still is pretty much our best defenseman, he just isn't an $11M one, more like a $7-8M one who is overplayed and forced into too many offensive situations that he can't handle anymore. It is TMac's fault that he and Kopitar are ridden into the grave.

Man there’s so much in this one or two sentences that just doesn’t hold up.

1. Drew has struggled with giving it his all. Either he’s gassed or he’s lazy, or both honestly. He isn’t playing with a sense or urgency at all. I don’t know how great Doughty has been the last five years because it hasn’t amounted to shit regardless so it’s a moot point.
2. Despite what the fancy stats suggest, Matt Roy was rough last year too. And now even with this season almost every goal scored on the Kings from around the net, especially in the front of the net. I almost guarantee you if a goal is scored in front of the net you will see Roy guarding no one. I don’t think Roy is as good as he seems. He’s a lot like Muzzin and I don’t think Muzzin was anyone worth being a placeholder for.
3. Spence and Clarke are two players that I think should definitely take Roy’s spot. Kings need to move Roy so they can maybe get something of value from trade whether it’s moving some money out or getting a player instead.

My overall point doughty shouldn’t have said anything because he’s been dogging it and Roy isn’t anything anyone should Ha over. If anyone is going to blow coverage in front of the net as much as Roy does then I rather have it be an offensive dman rather than a supposed defensive dman. No one can contest that Gavrikov is light years ahead of Roy defensively and I think that says a lot.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

You're too high on the boring vanilla status quo middle

You ok there pal? Kinda sounds like you are stroking out there.......because you made no sense.

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

You ok there pal? Kinda sounds like you are stroking out there.......because you made no sense.

All your posts are hall monitor scolding of anyone with an ounce of passion about the team. You're not a beacon of realistic analysis, you're a wet blanket and a chore. If everyone acted the way you wanted it would be the dullest forum on earth. Boring, vanilla, status quo

 

[tny760]

there's some kind of irony in accusing someone else of stroking out when...you...type...like...this.......

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

All your posts are hall monitor scolding of anyone with an ounce of passion about the team. You're not a beacon of realistic analysis, you're a wet blanket and a chore. If everyone acted the way you wanted it would be the dullest forum on earth. Boring, vanilla, status quo

You are confusing passion with disdain and analysis with ignorance.

I would love for LA to go 82-0, then 16-0, as would all of us, but I realize that they aren't the only team with the only players in the league, I realize that you can play lights out, and still loose, and play like shit, and still win. Watch the GDTs, it's embarrassing, you have "fans" actively wishing they would lose, then cheering when they score, back to cheering when scored against, that's not passion, that's stupidity.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

You are confusing passion with disdain and analysis with ignorance.

I would love for LA to go 82-0, then 16-0, as would all of us, but I realize that they aren't the only team with the only players in the league, I realize that you can play lights out, and still loose, and play like shit, and still win. Watch the GDTs, it's embarrassing, you have "fans" actively wishing they would lose, then cheering when they score, back to cheering when scored against, that's not passion, that's stupidity.

It's not stupidity or ignorance, it's a completely predictable and expected response to a flawed team. There are positive ramifications to winning (mainly short term) and to losing (mostly long term). Your lack of imagination is what makes it seem contradictory

 

[tny760]

Ha

(sorry had to go to the bucket again)

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Ha

(sorry had to go to the bucket again)

I’ll allow it.

 

[Master Yoda]

dont' let Carrlyn Bathe see this

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

It's not stupidity or ignorance, it's a completely predictable and expected response to a flawed team. There are positive ramifications to winning (mainly short term) and to losing (mostly long term). Your lack of imagination is what makes it seem contradictory

You think being a fan of a team and cheering when it loses, yet cheering when it scores, is completely predictable? Well f*** that explains a lot...

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

If I cheer for them to lose, what I'm cheering for is Todd/Blake to get shitcanned. Everybody understands this but you. It's far more delusional to even-keel a team like this

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

If I cheer for them to lose, what I'm cheering for is Todd/Blake to get shitcanned. Everybody understands this but you. It's far more delusional to even-keel a team like this

So if you are cheering for them to lose, then you cheer when they score a goal, what is that? Stupidity or being delusional?

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

When they score? Well, there's interest in the performances of certain players and the opportunities given to them, the investment of following their careers, there's sticking it to rival teams and players, there's the aesthetic marvel of scoring--and there's the eternal hope that any sports fan has, against all indications, that the team is going to turn it around. It's a truly incredible display of ape-brain simplicity to not understand this very basic phenomenon seen across every sport and fanbase. If it was a lottery team would it be so difficult to figure out? Wins feel good, losses contribute to something bigger, and so for the fan it's psychologically win-win. No we're not a lottery team but we may be more doomed--a tweener team with no cap and bad asset management.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

When they score? Well, there's interest in the performances of certain players and the opportunities given to them, the investment of following their careers, there's sticking it to rival teams and players, there's the aesthetic marvel of scoring--and there's the eternal hope that any sports fan has, against all indications, that the team is going to turn it around. It's a truly incredible display of ape-brain simplicity to not understand this very basic phenomenon seen across every sport and fanbase. If it was a lottery team would it be so difficult to figure out? Wins feel good, losses contribute to something bigger, and so for the fan it's psychologically win-win. No we're not a lottery team but we may be more doomed--a tweener team with no cap and bad asset management.

So opportunities given, invested in following careers, sticking it to other teams....and...you are rooting for them to lose.....but excited when they score, yea pretty sure I had it right, that sounds pretty goddamn stupid to me....