LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

[Schmooley]

I’d argue that the “needs another practice” excuse is more of the same timidness the staff displays when it comes to their decisions. If you’re going to do it, then do it. Shit or get off the pot. There are plenty of examples of players in the same situation who didn’t need more practice time. An example being Faber.

You must learn to be a part of the TMAC system before you can play. Doesnt matter that they practice in the same facility and purposely have Sturm working in coordination with the NHL coaches for his game plan.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Don’t worry guys we have at least one more Rob Blake Dave Taylor special before the fall from grace and canning

Spence Kaliyev and a 1st for some bullshit that won’t be here past the playoffs is my guess at this point

Neglecting to acknowledge that this isn’t the same feeling as 2012-2016ish where it feels like the “holes” are personnel we can acquire. Right now the holes are at management, coaching, and overall gameplay as evidenced by their inability to handle playoff teams. Trading for a player or two doesn’t fix a systematic rot.

I’m beyond the point of getting mad now. It’s the same sad void of acceptance I got in all those tanking years where I get disinterested in watching Kings games, it’s not a hopeful feeling of being a young team in the way up, it’s the black hole feeling of knowing you’ve already seen the best they’ve got and it wasn’t enough and now we just play out the string of first round exits until housecleaning.

How do you know he'll get canned?

Nobody cares for the Kings as long as they make the playoffs, no matter how they make it, Blake stays in. Technically, Blake is successful.

Unless you have some information to share with us?

Anyway i feel your pain, it makes me mad as well to see such poor asset management, imagine the crazy team we could have had??? foks my mind

 

[Buddy The Elf]

The squandering of assets by Blake is beyond frustrating. I still like the team and I feel they are a legit contender this contingent upon health (particularly at goal) but that doesn't excuse the constant mismanaging of assets and headscratching roster decisions. If the Kings don't make a long run this year's playoffs he needs to go. It's really like some kid over there playing arm chair GM. I'm pretty sure there are people on this board that could have better results than him.

 

[kingsholygrail]

It‘s also worth noting that when the Kings have been a playoff caliber team over the last 15 years, they routinely take their foot off the gas when they feel like they have the playoffs in the bag. It’s cultural and the constants in that time have been Kopitar and Doughty. Why is it that a team like the Canucks, who have sucked for a decade, can suddenly challenge for the President’s Trophy while the Kings struggle and likely fail to secure home ice.

Vancouver has talent. The Kings lack a ton of pure talent. We have good players. We don't have franchise players. Byfield can become one of those players, certainly, but right at this moment he's part of the pool of good which is better than where he was. He's also one of only four players on this team with 10 or more goals.

Kempe won't hit 40 again this year. He's on pace for maybe 30.

 

[LAKings88]

Is that really how you think this works?

Think what works?

Some on here seem to think Faber is the next Bobby Orr. Minnesota needs him to play top minutes. Do you think he’d be ahead of Doughty in LA. He is a good player who played college for development ala M. Anderson. He’s no 19 year old Doughty.

Spence is severely underrated on this board.

 

[tbrown33]

Think what works?

Some on here seem to think Faber is the next Bobby Orr. Minnesota needs him to play top minutes. Do you think he’d be ahead of Doughty in LA. He is a good player who played college for development ala M. Anderson. He’s no 19 year old Doughty.

Spence is severely underrated on this board.

Spence is underrated period. His ceiling is Spurgeon, he will be very good for a long time. Faber still likely ends up having the better career but that's not a knock on Spence.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Wow, that's eye opening....certainly crystal clear for concern.

Kings are basically the NHL’s version of the Miami Dolphins this year.

Some great pieces and stats, but a paper tiger who gets consistently smacked around by good competition.

 

[bmr]

Think what works?

Some on here seem to think Faber is the next Bobby Orr. Minnesota needs him to play top minutes. Do you think he’d be ahead of Doughty in LA. He is a good player who played college for development ala M. Anderson. He’s no 19 year old Doughty.

Spence is severely underrated on this board.

I've always been a big fan of Spence. I'm also holding out for Fagemo too. I think he could have Kempe like upside if they stick with him. I'm a little upset about Bjornfot, but more from the standpoint of asset management. The Kings are short right handed shots on the offense and left-handed D...and we just lost one for nothing. Ugh.

 

[David Lunch]

Rob Blake is the worst GM in Kings history. Its not even remotely close. Nobody has achieved less with SO much at his disposal.

Not to step on your point, but what about McMaster?

 

[Kudelski37]

Not to step on your point, but what about McMaster?

He had to sell players because the Kings couldn't make payroll. I think that is a sizable asterisk.

 

[Steve Zissou]

BREAKING: Vegas Makes A Dirty Move By Stealing Former First-Rounder From Division Rival

The Vegas Golden Knights are known for being ruthless on the ice but they have just made a dirty move off the ice by stealing a former first-rounder off waivers.

And the assist goes to Rob Blake!

 

[BigKing]

Vegas already has a Stanley Cup because of a poor decision Blake has made. Maybe they just feel like they should do this out of principle. I am thinking it's more of a Fagemo pickup, but we will see.

Going to need to be specific:

- Protecting Forbort over McNabb?
- Trading Martinez for poor value to a division rival?
- Not trading for Eichel?
- Trading Quick so he gets flipped to Vegas, guaranteeing them a Cup just for the f***ing photo op?

 

[King'sPawn]

Think what works?

Some on here seem to think Faber is the next Bobby Orr. Minnesota needs him to play top minutes. Do you think he’d be ahead of Doughty in LA. He is a good player who played college for development ala M. Anderson. He’s no 19 year old Doughty.

Spence is severely underrated on this board.

I don't even know where to begin with some of the absurdity. But I'll repeat since some seem to forget:
- Faber was part of USA's Olympic team. Not just juniors. Olympics. And he moved his way up the lineup.
- Faber moved himself up the lineup when playing on Minnesota in NCAA. Even as a freshman he became a key, top defenseman within months of playing college hockey.
- in the NHL, he became a No. 1 rookie defenseman, carrying his pairing. He's killing penalties and shutting down the top opposition.

All of this, and he's 3 days younger than Quinton Byfield.

Faber has done nothing but move up every lineup he's played on. On multiple teams with a variety of talent gaps. Nobody's saying he's Bobby Orr, but he's had a special and significant rise.

Spence is a good player. I was banging the drum back when he was playing on Moncton in the QMJHL after the Kings drafted him.

Saying there's no comparison isn't underrating. Assuming the two are comparable just because of points, and ignoring all other context, is simply ignorant.

 

[Sol]

no way, Roy has been outstanding

Honestly Roy has been awful in front of the net. Hes probably the most overrated player on the team.

 

[Sol]

With how bad the Kings have been drafting, it’s a joke that Yanetti and Futa have a job.

How do you get away with not producing talent? And not even that, if Blake and Luc are this idiotic, how do they have a job?

f*** the Kings as a whole, I don’t think Bjornfot is going to amount to anything however but I do hope he does out of the spite I hate for this piece of shit bullshit ass organization that somehow holds down a job while amounting to nothing repeatedly. Not only that but it’s so apparent they are stupid as f*** when they went ahead and got a coach who has amounted to nothing repeatedly. Perfect f***ing match. f*** them aall.

 

[bland]

Think what works?

Some on here seem to think Faber is the next Bobby Orr. Minnesota needs him to play top minutes. Do you think he’d be ahead of Doughty in LA. He is a good player who played college for development ala M. Anderson. He’s no 19 year old Doughty.

Spence is severely underrated on this board.

Faber is WELL ahead of Clarke and Spence. Suggesting they could afford to move a player of that caliber because of two completely different players is just flat-out naive. He is a legitmate #1 defenseman with less than half of a season played.

There is no bigger fan of Spence on this board than me. I have been propping this kid up since 99% of you had nothings like Hults and Nousiainen above him in your prospect rankings. But no, in no way whatsoever does he compare to what Brock Faber has been doing. Putting up a stat line and "aw shucks"-ing your way to a comparison is just a lousy argument on all fronts.

 

[Bandit]

I’d argue that the “needs another practice” excuse is more of the same timidness the staff displays when it comes to their decisions. If you’re going to do it, then do it. Shit or get off the pot. There are plenty of examples of players in the same situation who didn’t need more practice time. An example being Faber.

Yeah Clarke wasn’t ready when they called him up but BOY! Two more practices and he’s ready to challenge Makar for the Norris.

With how bad the Kings have been drafting, it’s a joke that Yanetti and Futa have a job.

How do you get away with not producing talent? And not even that, if Blake and Luc are this idiotic, how do they have a job?

f*** the Kings as a whole, I don’t think Bjornfot is going to amount to anything however but I do hope he does out of the spite I hate for this piece of shit bullshit ass organization that somehow holds down a job while amounting to nothing repeatedly. Not only that but it’s so apparent they are stupid as f*** when they went ahead and got a coach who has amounted to nothing repeatedly. Perfect f***ing match. f*** them aall.

Dude just shot himself into himself.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Vegas will likely have to waive Toby in about a month either way.

 

[BigKing]

I don't even know where to begin with some of the absurdity. But I'll repeat since some seem to forget:
- Faber was part of USA's Olympic team. Not just juniors. Olympics. And he moved his way up the lineup.
- Faber moved himself up the lineup when playing on Minnesota in NCAA. Even as a freshman he became a key, top defenseman within months of playing college hockey.
- in the NHL, he became a No. 1 rookie defenseman, carrying his pairing. He's killing penalties and shutting down the top opposition.

All of this, and he's 3 days younger than Quinton Byfield.

Faber has done nothing but move up every lineup he's played on. On multiple teams with a variety of talent gaps. Nobody's saying he's Bobby Orr, but he's had a special and significant rise.

Spence is a good player. I was banging the drum back when he was playing on Moncton in the QMJHL after the Kings drafted him.

Saying there's no comparison isn't underrating. Assuming the two are comparable just because of points, and ignoring all other context, is simply ignorant.

Played his way up big time on the WJC team as a freshman as well.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Going to need to be specific:

- Protecting Forbort over McNabb?
- Trading Martinez for poor value to a division rival?
- Not trading for Eichel?
- Trading Quick so he gets flipped to Vegas, guaranteeing them a Cup just for the f***ing photo op?

You forgot "The Piece" Amadio

 

[bland]

Just to recap:

1sts in 2021 and 2022
2nd in 2022
Faber
Vilardi
Kupari
Iafallo
Quick
Durzi
Walker
Peterson
Bjornfot
Retention on Provorov
$7.4 million for 7 years of Fiala
$8.5 million for 8 years of Dubois
$7 million for two more years of Kopitar

All just to be in the exact same spot as two years ago.

 

[Bandit]

Vegas will likely have to waive Toby in about a month either way.

This isn’t a Hallmark romance. You don’t waive your first round picks and if they don’t come back to you it wasn’t meant to be.

 

[King'sPawn]

With how bad the Kings have been drafting, it’s a joke that Yanetti and Futa have a job.

Futa's not been with the org since 2020. Even before then, his role was diminished where he was basically doing nothing from 2018.

Basically Futa's been a non-factor since Blake took over.

 

[LAKings88]

Faber is WELL ahead of Clarke and Spence. Suggesting they could afford to move a player of that caliber because of two completely different players is just flat-out naive. He is a legitmate #1 defenseman with less than half of a season played.

There is no bigger fan of Spence on this board than me. I have been propping this kid up since 99% of you had nothings like Hults and Nousiainen above him in your prospect rankings. But no, in no way whatsoever does he compare to what Brock Faber has been doing. Putting up a stat line and "aw shucks"-ing your way to a comparison is just a lousy argument on all fronts.

I put up a whole thread on Spence and his history in the NHL board a month ago.

Faber was traded for Fiala. He wasn’t let go.

You still haven't Answered my question about where Faber would slot in for LA? Ahead of Doughty? Even Roy?

If the roles were reversed, where would Spence be in Minny?

For KP:

Jordan Spence:

• IIHF U20 World Juniors Silver Medal (2021)
• MJAHL Rookie of the Year (2018)
• QMJHL Defensive Rookie of the Year (2019)
• QMJHL Rookie of the Year (2019)
• QMJHL Defenseman of the Year (2020)
• QMJHL First Team All-Star (2020, 2021)
• AHL All-Rookie Team (2022)
• AHL First Team All-Star (2022)

 

[AbsentMojo]

Vegas will likely have to waive Toby in about a month either way.

Agreed. I think they did it in part to troll LAK