Why would you use data and stats which won't even be used in 20 years to form a basis for picking a team???????????????????????? Definition of insanity ..
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LeafChief
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This is so embarrassing. Google the definition of instanity.
And maybe a course on grammar.
Exactly it is embarrassing we are getting embarrassed in playoffs for 5 straight years and now fans have started to make team feel some financial pain which is only way they can change da paradigm
ACC1224
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Those that constantly defend everything Dubas is what's embarrassing. Everything he touches turns to shit.
The Podium
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Lou never played hockey.
Oh wait, let me say that in a way your understand
Lou never played da hockey.
The Podium
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Why did people start using the internet in its infancy?
Why are people buying Teslas when electric cars are in its infancy?
Why did people go to the hospital when modern medicine was in its infancy?
Your point is to dismiss useful tools because they have room to grow?
The Podium
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We had a bottom 10 D and now have a top 10 D, we have a deep prospect pool hitting on later picks, which we havent done under previous regimes, we have all our star players still under contract.
No Dubas hasnt been perfect, but its ok to give him some credit.
LeafChief
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The conversation wasn't about Dubas and I haven't said every move he makes is gold. I've been equally critical of him as I have of any other GM. No one is happy with losing in the 1st round every year.
That won't stop you from making your snide, unintelligent remarks though. Don't let the laziness of not reading the thread get in the way of making nonsense remarks.
The conversation was about whether or not to use analytics. If you think analytics should be not used at all, it tells everyone a lot about your ability to use critical thinking.
The embarrassing part is the people that fail to give him any credit at all. Yet those are the same people that are in love with Campbell and Muzzin.
The Podium
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Yup, the same ones who will praise Nylander and say hes fairly paid, until he needs to be lumped into an argument about the big 4's collective salary.
The same ones who are happy with Brodie, but then claim that he never did anything to improve the D.
The same ones who begged he go against the grain for Ritchie only to realize he wasnt what they were expecting (but also because they never watched him).
The same ones who complain we havent hit on a late round pick in a while, but also ignore guys drafted by Dubas who are looking promising
It is actually hilarious how hypocritical these Dubas haters are
LeafChief
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I absolutely hate the contracts he handed out to Marner and Matthews but I can appreciate the good moves he's made as well.
The people that associate analytics with Dubas (as if he is the only person to use analytics to make decisions) and don't understand that analytics are used in their every day lives are so unintelligent. I guess all of these people keep their money under their bed. There's no way they would trust a bank!
The Podium
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The Marner contract, Matthew’s term, the Ritchie and Foligno deals were all moves I was vocally against the moment they were made. I’m a big Dubas supporter, but am not afraid to be critical of some of his bad moves.
People seem to think you have to be 100% supportive or 100% against.
LeafChief
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There's no middle ground allowed! Don't you know?
I'm ok with Dubas, some hits and some misses.
The last point is silly though, there are some picks that have showed something, nothing really notable though, every team has late picks that show something. None have played NHL games (early still I know), and none have blown up to top prospect type of status, although Tverberg could get there if he keeps this up. I don't hate the Leafs drafting under Dubas by any stretch, but as of yet there's nothing to say it's been great.
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Da da da dum dum dubie da….. maths are hard & scary.
They are .. I often wonder how i got my UofT bcomm/math degrees, then a UofT MBA and then a CA and now own 3 of larger businesses in GTA all after i finished playing in my late 20s .. i guess it was too many shots i took to da head
No I will pick them up in 20 years when much brighter minds have figured it out to a level well beyond a Brock grad level
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All that education and you can’t spell “the”?
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The Podium
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2018:
SDA, Hollowell, Kral, Holmberg
2019:
Robertson, Kokkonen, Abramov, Abruzzese
2020:
Hirvonen, Niemela, Ovchinnikov, Miettinen, Tverberg
All have realistic NHL upside and exceeded their draft value by a ton. Now obviously most of them arent going to be game breakers, but thats a big list of players that will be cheap serviceable or even productive NHLers, in the near future.
Most drafts you expect 1 or 2 NHLers, the Leafs look like theyll exceed that.
That’s not true. He was the captain of his Providence College team.
Very different than a guy who didn’t make it out of minor hockey.
LeafChief
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sorry not to be rude but how good was college hockey in like the 40s?
american programs haven’t been at all comparable to Canadian until what the 90s at a bare minimum. More like 2005 plus.
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It's hard to understand the fools who complain about Kyle Dubas. The Leafs are an upper echelon team who needs a goalie and for the stars to play to their potential
Most teams are worse off and instead of Kyle Dubas. Imagine the team with a clown like Marc Bergevin in charge. The grass may look greener with imagined results from other GMs, but all have the same salary cap restraints and all in all, Dubas is doing a better job than most other GMs.
Getting rid of Dubas would be a serious mistake and he would be picked up by another team in a heartbeat. Meanwhile he would have to be replaced, but with whom? The Leafs haven't done better with superstars like Lou Lamoriello as GM or Mike Babcock as coach, so exactly who would be a replacement for Dubas that would do better? Name a replacement that is available by name if you want to complain about Dubas.
Most teams are worse off and instead of Kyle Dubas. Imagine the team with a clown like Marc Bergevin in charge. The grass may look greener with imagined results from other GMs, but all have the same salary cap restraints and all in all, Dubas is doing a better job than most other GMs.
Getting rid of Dubas would be a serious mistake and he would be picked up by another team in a heartbeat. Meanwhile he would have to be replaced, but with whom? The Leafs haven't done better with superstars like Lou Lamoriello as GM or Mike Babcock as coach, so exactly who would be a replacement for Dubas that would do better? Name a replacement that is available by name if you want to complain about Dubas.
