Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[ToneDog]

Should have been first out the door.He‘s accomplished nothing ,in his time with the Leafs.

Nothing ?? Led the best tank in Leafs history.

 

[francis246]

May want to check how Marchment is doing.

it's better to do your own research than just listen to the loud people on this board.

Marchment also lost his father this year unexpectedly in what was supposed to be the biggest year of his career finally becoming a UFA.

 

[HockeyVirus]

CJ on TSN:

* Became apparent this morning that this is where it would end up.

* Comments he made on locker exit day, caught organization really off-guard. Definitely felt extension talks were being had, but when Kyle opened the door to him not being "All-in", it cast doubt.

*Not sure how the team will spin it - organization decision vs Kyle's personal decision. Had some sources tell him it was a team decision, but he's not so sure.

* Dubas was a huge part of this team, including off the ice. Says he's stunned that the organization moved off him. Doesn't think Dubas was out of answers, and would have bet on him continuing to grow and evolve on the job.

* Has no sense of who the new GM would be. Makes the prediction of who coaches this team next season impossible.

* Wonders what this means for Matthews' extension. Speculates that he won't be signing before July 1st anymore, until he knows who the new GM is and what the plan is moving forward.

Honestly this move might be the final straw for me as a fan. Legit cannot believe they made such a f*** up, and it is squarely on them because they should have extended him last year.

And for all the hurr durr Dubas sucks, let me remind you..

- Lou signs Zaitsev and Marleau deals
- Nonis signs Clarkson and tried to sign Bolland
- Burke trades unprotected firsts that become top end picks and signs LACK
- JFJ trades Steen, Rask, etc

Dubas was ALWAYS able to get trades done and he NEVER put the team in a shit situation with these unmovable contracts or mortgaging the future. He knew the value of the assets he had, was a great scout both amateur and professionally.

I question if Dubas haters were fans longer than the past few seasons to understand how big of a f***up this day is.

 

[7even]

Holy shit

 

[sxvnert]

I highly doubt Lou would have been bent over at the negotiating table, too.

He didn't on the Rielly or Kadri contracts. Zaitsev was the only mistake which could have easily been fixed.

 

[yubbers]

At first I thought it was cowardly to jump ship after setting the team up for pending disaster but on more thought, I respect it. He recognizes he isn't as smart as he thought he was and is moving over to let someone else clean up his mess.

Can't believe the Leafs wasted all that potential since winning the lottery. Why would you hand the reigns over to a total rookie, blows my mind.

MLSE went full progressive. Which results in diversity hires. Can't have the ole boys running things even though you signed Babs for 7 years. LOL

Something happened back end we don't know about imho. Only explanation as to why Shanny abandoned his plan that was rolling along great. Babs never had a chance of working out with Dubas. That relationship had ZERO chance. Anyone could see that.

 

[ToneDog]

Someone do a wellness check on that Zeke guy, I envision him in the fetal position under a life size Dubas statue.

Post of the year. LOL.

 

[rojac]

I highly doubt Lou would have been bent over at the negotiating table, too.

In my opinion, Matthews was not going to sign for less than a $10M AAV after Eichel had gotten that. However, they might have gotten a year or two longer at, say, $10.5M or so with Marner coming in at $10M.

Do people really think that if Matthews or Marner had put themselves out there as willing to sign offer sheets, they wouldn’t have gotten offers n the range they signed for and that the Leafs wouldn’t have matched?

 

[sxvnert]

Dubas was handed the GM position one year too soon. Being an unexperienced GM and having to re-sign Nylander, Matthews and Marner shortly after set him up for failure. Could never recover really from tying up way too much money into the core four. The sad part is, he put everything on the line and constantly stood and backed up this core four only to be let down year after year.

And Dubas forced them into that. So its 100% on him.

 

[francis246]

You have far more faith than I do. But we'll see what happens. Regardless it's not a better situation than what he walked into with Toronto. Even if sid and geno tip that scale, their best days are behind them not in front like our core was.

I’ll take 3 guys who have 3 cups and are still hungry as ever to win over guys who can’t win!

 

[Racer88]

Serious question, if Kadri got suspended another time after keeping him would you have been happy to still keep him? Because he got suspended again in the playoffs after we traded him.

I would have been on the fence with three suspensions but at least he had skill and heart and went on to win a cup.
He certainly wouldn’t have stood around whil Reilly get wrecked and Marner gets punche in the face and nobody did anything

 

[al secord]

The same cast of characters will be blaming Dubas for everything when one of 2 morons like Treliving or Hunter are hired and fail miserabIy. I can see it now.

"It's what he inherited "

 

[DarkKnight]

Live look at Sault Ste. Marie….

 

[JadedLeaf]

Serious question, if Kadri got suspended another time after keeping him would you have been happy to still keep him? Because he got suspended again in the playoffs after we traded him.

It's like people forget he was actively one of the players that hurt us the most in consecutive playoffs by getting himself suspended for stupid bonehead reasons.

 

[AvroArrow]

Someone do a wellness check on that Zeke guy, I envision him in the fetal position under a life size Dubas statue.

I've seen him on twitter a bunch, he's doing well lmao

 

[Menzinger]

Went farther with Isles team that lost their franchise C than the guy who inherited 16, 34, 88, 43, 44, 31. Dubas will have to buy a ticket to see Lou in the HHOF.

If he had taken the Leafs as deep in the playoffs as he did with the Isles he likely would have stayed on as GM. But that didn't happen

 

[djdev]

im dissapointed that dubas is gone, he was a great GM when it comes to trades especially and wanted to see what he could do with the possibility of trading one or more of the big guns. but i think this drastically improves the odds of a new coach, and while i like keefe, he has been soundly out performed in every series with this team by the opposing coach so that part im kindof excited about

 

[The Legend]

Big deal. This team needs a shakeup from the top down. The core 4 were very comfortable here with Dubas, too comfortable. Maybe bring in someone new with a fresh perspective. This is great.

I love this team. Been following them for 30+ years.

But there is a small (medium?) size part of me that hopes we get someone like Dave Nonis in at GM, and that person loads up on big lugs like we did in the mid 2000s - I'm talking Jeff Finger, Mike Komisarek, type guys - so that posters like the person above can truly be reminded about what having bad management means.

 

[notbias]

I would have been on the fence with three suspensions but at least he had skill and heart and went on to win a cup.
He certainly wouldn’t have stood around whil Reilly get wrecked and Marner gets punche in the face and nobody did anything

He's a good player and he cares, no questions, loved him as a player... but he can't be trusted, I think this was always the argument.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Hmm why didn’t they mention Keefe wasn’t coming back? Seems strange.

New GM will decide

 

[Buds17]

How the f*** does Shanny get the privledge of staying but not Dubas? makes no sense. Why let Dubas walk, but keep his HC in Keefe? like what is going on in this organization right now??

We have massive massive decisions that need to get done. Some of which need to get done ASAP if they are going to get done (ie. trading marner, matthews, both).

These guys better have a plan, because right now this is looking like we are headed into a train wreck IMO.

Shanahan is probably able to stay on because it doesn't appear that Dubas was fired/forced out by the organization. Keefe's future is likely to be undecided until the new GM is in place (him being here now isn't necessarily a guarantee that he will remain here).

 

[francis246]

And Dubas forced them into that. So its 100% on him.

Well other teams wanted him. So I don’t get your point? He wanted to be a GM somewhere. Was he supposed to not advance his career? Toronto didn’t have to give him the job if they didn’t want to.

Same way Dubas didn’t HAVE to hand out the contracts he did to Nylander, Marner and Matthews.

 

[The Masters]

The JT signing also forced us to walk away from Hyman. We lost Kadri and Hyman because of Tavares.

Yup. JT deal ultimately killed them. Crazy.

 

[Kiwi]

Fair enough

I wasn't worried either way but he hasn't been successful which makes parting ways with him fine as far as I'm concerned

Wish him the best of luck and i don't harbor any Ill will towards him

Interesting decision on who's the next GM

 

[BayStBullies]

The JT signing also forced us to walk away from Hyman. We lost Kadri and Hyman because of Tavares.

We lost Kadri because of Kadri. You are right about Hyman, though.