Kyle Dubas discussion II

[SprDaVE]

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[zeke]

@The Podium said:

It’s been 70 games since 1949.

The Leafs are 41 - 20 - 15 going by the old W - L - T format.

That puts their P% at 0.638

P% (not including extra OTW/SOW)

1950-51 0.679
1934-35 0.667
1940-41 0.646
1960-61 0.643
1947-48 0.642
2021-22 0.638

So this team is 6th in Maple Leafs all time, game and extra point adjusted. And it is the best Leaf regular season in 61 years

1. If you are counting all OTs as ties then the Leafs are 42-20-14 for a .645pts% which would be 4th on your list.

2. We don't actually know how many of those older teams' games went to OT so your pts% for those teams isn't accurate either.

3. Ranking 3rd of 32 teams is actually a bigger accomplishment than ranking 2nd of 6 ('51), 2nd of 7 ('41), and probably even 1st of 5 ('34).

 

[SprDaVE]

I personally hope Dubas is here for a long long time. Playoff success will play a big part of it moving forward. If it were up to me, he'd be here regardless of that because eventually, the team that dominates the regular season like that will get it done.

I know there's a good part of the fan base that despises anything he says or does, and then they go radio silent when things do go well with how Dubas has constructed and managed the Leafs. But at the end of the day, between his ability to juggle previous awful cap mistakes, to managing the current cap, to his drafting and to the way he's involved with the league, I think he's the best manager the Leafs have had by far since the cap era at the very least, if not longer than that.

I really hope the players can get it done and reward what Dubas and Keefe have built over the last few years.

 

[The Podium]

1. If you are counting all OTs as ties then the Leafs are 42-20-14 for a .645pts% which would be 4th on your list.

2. We don't actually know how many of those older teams' games went to OT so your pts% for those teams isn't accurate either.

2. Ranking 3rd of 32 teams is actually a bigger accomplishment than ranking 2nd of 6 ('51), 2nd of 7 ('41), and probably even 1st of 5 ('34).

1. My bad, thought they had 40 regulation wins prior to yesterdays win

2. Between 42-83 there was no OT, so that’s a question only for the 34-35 and 40-41 seasons.

34-35 OT record 3-1
40-41 OT record 1-0

3. You are right, relatively harder to do in a 32 team league.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Failed to address the goaltending issue properly, again.

Leafs will be better off with a new GM this summer.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Failed to address the goaltending issue properly, again.

Leafs will be better off with a new GM this summer.

Goaltending is THE big issue, no doubt about it. I don't know about being better off with a new GM though, I guess that would depend on who the new GM is. Is there anyone specific you think we should go after or are you in the "anyone would be better than Dubas" camp?

 

[Bigmarycombo]

I don’t understand his deadline thoughts

Campbell was struggling really bad

Mrazek was garbage and injured

We were running a fourth string goalie

We were having our best offensive year ever. Everyone having career ofensive production

We 100 per cent needed a goalie no question

Didn’t want to give up a first to get fluerey. Why not. The first is going to be anywhere from 26-32. The player we pick there in a poor draft may never make it to the show and even if he does it’s 3/4 years away.

Of all years this is the one to get a goalie and he didn’t.

 

[deprw]

Goaltending is THE big issue, no doubt about it. I don't know about being better off with a new GM though, I guess that would depend on who the new GM is. Is there anyone specific you think we should go after or are you in the "anyone would be better than Dubas" camp?

Great post, that is always the big IF. Could be better, might be better, but would it be better?

I think Dubas has raised the odds to pretty big, because I think outside of goaltending we have addressed all of our weaknesses. Defense was something that all the other GMs have failed. He fixed it completely. Without ruining our offense.

I trust he'll get that last part done eventually. Like our team I think young guy like Dubas will improve with more experience.

 

[conFABulator]

I don’t understand his deadline thoughts

Campbell was struggling really bad

Mrazek was garbage and injured

We were running a fourth string goalie

We were having our best offensive year ever. Everyone having career ofensive production

We 100 per cent needed a goalie no question

Didn’t want to give up a first to get fluerey. Why not. The first is going to be anywhere from 26-32. The player we pick there in a poor draft may never make it to the show and even if he does it’s 3/4 years away.

Of all years this is the one to get a goalie and he didn’t.

I am not sure that is how it went down though. The reported trade was bigger and included Knies and AT LEAST one first round pick. It also apparently had Mrazek going out and Hagel coming back. Doing so would have meant we were done cap-wise...no Giordano or Blackwell, even with retention on Fleury.

...this of course if the leaked details are accurate.

So, option A was to give up our top prospect and let's say two first rounders for Fleury and Hagel.

Option B was to keep our picks and prospects and run with Campbell, Mrazek and Kallgren, while adding Giordano and Blackwell. That's a tough call... remember Mrazek appeared to bounce back also before the injury.

Finally, all of this assumes Fleury waives foe Toronto and there are lots of people saying he was never doing that.

I agree that goaltending will be what makes or breaks this team, but Campbell was an All-Star this year, Mrazek had a year unlike any other in his career and Kallgren seems like a shrewd depth pick up. I am not sure this year's goaltending is enough to say fire Dubas, IMO

 

[ToneDog]

Goaltending is THE big issue, no doubt about it. I don't know about being better off with a new GM though, I guess that would depend on who the new GM is. Is there anyone specific you think we should go after or are you in the "anyone would be better than Dubas" camp?

You can't run it back another year if they suffer another "embarrassing" round #1 loss.

 

[therealkoho]

Leafs win 5-2 "Dubas is a genius"

Leafs win 3-1 "Dubas just needs to get a Dman and then he's gold"

Leafs win 7-2 "take that Dubas haters, he's really done great, best GM in the league"

Leafs lose 4-6 "he's drafted too many smurfs Leafs will lose in the playoffs"

Leafs win 4-0 "He's made all those great moves and built a team that can win"

Leafs win 5-3 "The guy is obviously a genius they need to extend him asap"

Leafs lose 1-4 "He needs to get out of town, he sucks and can take Holl with him"

Leafs lose 2-3 "team can't score, can't defend they're too small fire that idiot before it's too late"

miduinthisrite

lols

 

[notbias]

I don’t understand his deadline thoughts

Campbell was struggling really bad

Mrazek was garbage and injured

We were running a fourth string goalie

We were having our best offensive year ever. Everyone having career ofensive production

We 100 per cent needed a goalie no question

Didn’t want to give up a first to get fluerey. Why not. The first is going to be anywhere from 26-32. The player we pick there in a poor draft may never make it to the show and even if he does it’s 3/4 years away.

Of all years this is the one to get a goalie and he didn’t.

First and Knies (potentially more, just know those were involved), and this is assuming Fluery waves for us.

Also, a goalie being injured that will be back well before playoffs is probably not an issue.

 

[The Podium]

You can't run it back another year if they suffer another "embarrassing" round #1 loss.

Can the Leafs have an embarrassing loss if they are playing Florida or Tampa?

 

[leafan11]

Mrazek signing is a fireable offense. With all the talk of how smart Dubas is, how could he possibly sign this guy ? It seems like Dubas has failed at the biggest position(Goalie) just like all his predecessors.

 

[SprDaVE]

Mrazek signing is a fireable offense. With all the talk of how smart Dubas is, how could he possibly sign this guy ? It seems like Dubas has failed at the biggest position(Goalie) just like all his predecessors.

Before his disastreous season here, Mrazek had a respectable .913% over the last 10 or so years in the NHL. He's never had a sub .900 season in the NHL in a full season. This is by far his worst season ever and a lot of it is because he was injured most of the season. But sure, blame the manager for not being able to foresee someone getting injured like that...

I don't know why signing Mrazek is deemed as a fireable offense. Complete exaggeration. Let's relax a little. It's a league average contract for a few more years.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think Dubas has raised the odds to pretty big, because I think outside of goaltending we have addressed all of our weaknesses. Defense was something that all the other GMs have failed. He fixed it completely. Without ruining our offense.

I trust he'll get that last part done eventually. Like our team I think young guy like Dubas will improve with more experience.

This seems accurate - the D is so much improved from what it was, very impressive! The goaltending is an issue but man, pretty hard to predict how badly things have turned out in the dept. this year so I can't even be that mad and goalies are voodoo yada yada yada. Maybe another GM would have gotten some other goalie that would have been just as bad but with an anchor of a contract, who knows? And you can say we should have kept Andersen but not sure there was even one person that would have been behind that move in the summer. The big blemish on his record is the playoffs and while I hate to make excuses and hate even more to think about how embarrassing our game 7 performances have been, there are some mitigating circumstances there as well.

In the end, there are definitely reasons for people to be unhappy and things to criticize as well. But I'm still feel like he's done more good than bad, I think you make an excellent point that he will improve and IMHO, he's pretty damn good already. And I gotta say, I'm thrilled with his TDL performance this season, kept our top prospects and picks, that's so much better than what he did last year, maybe he's improved already.

And to the people saying that picks won't help us for a few years, that's just not true. We drafted Knies last year and he could help us TODAY if we were willing to trade him. Assets are assets and they can be converted into immediate help at any time.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Can the Leafs have an embarrassing loss if they are playing Florida or Tampa?

We could have an embarrassing loss to Boston, Columbus and Montreal so what makes you think we can't do it again Florida or Tampa? If we play them hard and even for 6 games and then get completely (and inexplicably) dominated and outplayed in game 7, wouldn't that be embarrassing? Or do you think that it's not possible for this to happen again?

Mrazek signing is a fireable offense. With all the talk of how smart Dubas is, how could he possibly sign this guy ? It seems like Dubas has failed at the biggest position(Goalie) just like all his predecessors.

Over reaction, and emotional hyperbole.

Before his disastreous season here, Mrazek had a respectable .913% over the last 10 or so years in the NHL. He's never had a sub .900 season in the NHL in a full season. This is by far his worst season ever and a lot of it is because he was injured most of the season. But sure, blame the manager for not being able to foresee someone getting injured like that...

I don't know why signing Mrazek is deemed as a fireable offense. Complete exaggeration. Let's relax a little. It's a league average contract for a few more years.

Logical.

 

[The Podium]

We could have an embarrassing loss to Boston, Columbus and Montreal so what makes you think we can't do it again Florida or Tampa? If we play them hard and even for 6 games and then get completely (and inexplicably) dominated and outplayed in game 7, wouldn't that be embarrassing? Or do you think that it's not possible for this to happen again?


Over reaction, and emotional hyperbole.

Logical.

They had an embarrassing loss against Boston? I’d even argue the Columbus loss wasn’t embarrassing.

No, losing to an equal/better team is not embarrassing. Obviously we can’t make excuses forever and they need some playoff success, but the term “embarrassing” is being used way to liberal when discussing the Leafs playoff woes.

 

[ACC1224]

He’s made a bunch of mistakes but understandable when you’re learning on the job.
He’s certainly been better lately, not bringing in a goaltender at the deadline could become his biggest mistake of all.
We know he tried, trying isn’t good enough.

 

[AuraSphere]

What I really don't understand is how he thought it was a great idea to spend a 3rd on David Rittich last season when we had 2 capable goaltenders. But decided it wasn't worthwhile spending one this year given our goaltender situation. I imagine Craig Anderson could have been made available?

 

[The Podium]

What I really don't understand is how he thought it was a great idea to spend a 3rd on David Rittich last season when we had 2 capable goaltenders. But decided it wasn't worthwhile spending one this year given our goaltender situation. I imagine Craig Anderson could have been made available?

Last season Andersen and Campbell were hurt at the TDL and Hutchinson was our starting goaltender with literally no one to back him up since all the Marlie goalies were also injured.

This season Mrazek was available and playing at the TDL with Campbell not far away from returning from injury.

Unfortunate injury to Mrazek after the TDL, or maybe he would’ve tried for some 3rd string guy again.

 

[DopeyFish]

people losing their minds over goaltending when kallgren is a damn good backup that dubas got when in a pinch

 

[Dekes For Days]

No, losing to an equal/better team is not embarrassing. Obviously we can’t make excuses forever and they need some playoff success, but the term “embarrassing” is being used way to liberal when discussing the Leafs playoff woes.

Everybody hates losing in the playoffs, but it seems like some people here don't know what an "embarrassing loss" actually is. Getting swept is embarrassing. Largely outplaying but losing to an equal/better team (or even a lesser team that goes on to have significant success) in the maximum number of games while missing key players is disappointing, not embarrassing. The most "embarrassing" thing about our playoff losses is the reaction from our "fans".

 

[ToneDog]

Can the Leafs have an embarrassing loss if they are playing Florida or Tampa?

Of course if they are swept, blow a 3-1 series lead, game #7 no shows, get run out of the building etc.

IMO Leaf fans will accept a round 1 loss if they compete and lose like they did against Washington or Boston but not what we saw against Columbus and Montreal.

 

[SprDaVE]

What I really don't understand is how he thought it was a great idea to spend a 3rd on David Rittich last season when we had 2 capable goaltenders. But decided it wasn't worthwhile spending one this year given our goaltender situation. I imagine Craig Anderson could have been made available?

Andersen was injured.