Player Discussion: Kyle Connor
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There's clearly an issue with KC in his own end -
So, we have a couple of options:
1 - We team him up with players that are stronger defensively that can also play a fast offensive game
2 - We hope he gets better defensively
Looks like they are looking at option one with the addition of PLD - he should make a great fit in setting up this line to score a pile of points and be better defensively.
Why don't we see how that works out rather than the continued "He sucks at D" feedback that is recycled every time this thread gets a refresh.
Kinda what i said.
I guarantee you every other team in the NHL would love Connor on their team.Oh and you NEVER hear him bitch if he gets moved off of the #1 line either or who he's playing with.
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Also bear in mind Kc has never played with guys good at D. Kc played with little but also Laine.
Wheeler has got time with Ehlers to boost his defensive numbers
Wheeler has got time with Ehlers to boost his defensive numbers
wheeler has been crap but playing a majoirty of this season with KC really does shit on his numbers further.
pld is not some stalwart defensively. idk why people think this?
fact is he is garbage defensively and has been for years, and this deserves to get commented on. just like it was for other plays (laine, scheifele, wheeler etc.).
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When I saw that pic that's the first thing that popped into my head. I was trying to remember where I had heard that phrase.
pucka lucka
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KC is the most overrated Jet. He has some great puck skills around the net, but he's just not anywhere near as good as his scoring numbers lead people to believe. Connor was the player to trade from a pure hockey standpoint.
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OK - fill your boots -
I'm only asking that we might wait and see if the changes have any impact on the overall performance of the line.
It's not like this territory hasn't been covered to the point where it is crystal clear - those that think it "deserves" to be hammered a bit more, feel free.
Regardless of how much it might be "deserved", how many different ways does it have to be said?
He sucks defensively - maybe with PLD, there might be an improvement - idk why we can't wait and see. Or is it really necessarily that the same points be repeated over and over again while we wait. whatever.
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Then lets move him -
I don't know how to respond to a post like this - he's the most over rated Jet? Based on what - my posts? Because for the most part, he doesn't get a lot of love in this thread or in most others.
lol well when there's some positive on-ice results from the "wait and see" period, we can comment on them. but fact is, that's few and far between.
if you have issues with ppl shitting on kc put the posts on ignore. ppl are just posting on what they see on-ice or what the stats bear out.
fact is he's been terrible defensively for a while, and we've hoped and prayed his game gets better, and this year seems like it is an at an all time worst. if you chose to ignore it do you then.
pucka lucka
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He is the most overrated. Perception vs reality. His market value is easily the most inflated. From a hockey perspective if the Jets were going to move anyone of value Connor would be the choice. If I had to pick who to trade out of Laine, Connor or Ehlers I would choose Connor all day based on hockey reasons.
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Every player gets there share of the pounding - sometimes it the same fans and sometimes it's everyone taking a crack.
What I find interesting is that he doesn't get much credit for his scoring or strong play when it happens (unless he sucks full time and any accomplishment up to now, is negated by his D game).
Take a look at this thread and if you have some time on your hands, review what is said about the player over the years.
It's interesting that this thread was pretty much dead LY when he came out on top of the Jet's goal scoring in what was not a great year for the team.
He finished top ten in the league (goals) and yet it's not mentioned to any extent - 2020 is a black hole for KC in the KC thread - you might have thought there would be something positive to say but not much.
So don't take my rant as a fan who doesn't like his fav player getting beat up - it's not about that for me. It's more about the balance of the feedback he gets.
But you're right - I don't have a lot of control over that or how fans will treat a team member - and my post was a waste of time considering the feedback it is getting (mostly).
I won't step in again - lesson learned.
perhaps you visit the wrong places. he gets tons of credit for his scoring. he just finished top 10 in the nhl in goals last year and top 15 in pts and lots of people points this out over the off-season. there must be a different thread for him b/c i pointed out how prolific offensively he's been
edit ie this thread
Player Discussion: - Kyle Connor is a machine.
edit ie this thread
Player Discussion: - Kyle Connor is a machine.
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Over rated by who? His own team mate (PLD) was quoted recently stating KC is very under rated in the league.
As per TSN:
Dubois spoke highly of the Jets' forward depth after practice, especially at centre, and said he feels his new winger Connor is one of the most underrated players in the NHL.
Dubois lauds Jets' depth, calls Connor one of the most underrated players in NHL
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We need to see how Kyle and Wheeler does away from Schiefele 5on5 for extended period of time.
Sometimes its Schiefele we under estimate how good he is how he elevates people offensively.
@pucka lucka is right with his assessment re who should have been moved for pure hockey standpoint and positional strength of the team with Ehlers and Perfetti similar position and playing style.
But other stuff got involve in the situation.
Including fault by Laine also.
Its been done but it is something that will mark this team for awhile specially if Laine keep scroing goals the next 10 years. Well after Wheeler retires and Maurice is not coaching anymore.
KC is good, hopefully he can stand on his own defensively. And doesnt need Dubois to do it
Sometimes its Schiefele we under estimate how good he is how he elevates people offensively.
@pucka lucka is right with his assessment re who should have been moved for pure hockey standpoint and positional strength of the team with Ehlers and Perfetti similar position and playing style.
But other stuff got involve in the situation.
Including fault by Laine also.
Its been done but it is something that will mark this team for awhile specially if Laine keep scroing goals the next 10 years. Well after Wheeler retires and Maurice is not coaching anymore.
KC is good, hopefully he can stand on his own defensively. And doesnt need Dubois to do it
I really want to be all in on Connor, because I love his offensive brilliance and goal scoring ability. But I can't get over the frustration of watching him muff zone exits and transitions repeatedly, and then watch as his line chases around in its own zone. I really wish there was an obvious way to identify and rectify whatever it is that impedes his ability in that area. Three things I have noticed as I try to watch closer: 1) he is slow to anticipate when he needs to jump on an opportunity to go for the puck in his own zone; 2) he is somewhat timid when there is a board battle looming, so he shies away from the puck when he needs to dig in; 3) he is too casual in his decisions and plays to move the puck when he does have it in his own zone.
I've contrasted this with Ehlers, who is an absolute genius. Ehlers is very quick to recognize opportunities to get on a puck in his defensive region, and gets to pucks faster than opponents. He has a wider set of strategies for moving the puck when he has it in his own zone, including a strategy of taking the puck deeper into his zone away from pinching D and forecheckers. He actually finds soft spots down the boards towards his own goal line and either circles and finds space, or gets the puck to his D behind his net or on the other side of his net to reverse the puck for an exit out the other side. Ehlers is also more inclined to take a hit to get his stick on the puck first, either chipping it to a puck-supporting teammate or moving even smothering it and then working from a stalemate instead of giving it up easily.
I think the easiest way for Connor to improve his zone play with the puck might be to use Ehlers' strategy of "reversing" the puck - taking it deeper into his own corner from high up the half wall and creating space and options to reverse the puck for a cleaner exit the other way. He has the skill and speed to do this, but is much more inclined to make a half-hearted attempt to clear the zone than he is to try to hang onto the puck and find space. It's notable that both Ehlers and Connor excel at creating space for themselves with the puck in the offensive zone, but only Ehlers tends to use his quickness and agility to carry the puck into safer areas in his own zone.
I've contrasted this with Ehlers, who is an absolute genius. Ehlers is very quick to recognize opportunities to get on a puck in his defensive region, and gets to pucks faster than opponents. He has a wider set of strategies for moving the puck when he has it in his own zone, including a strategy of taking the puck deeper into his zone away from pinching D and forecheckers. He actually finds soft spots down the boards towards his own goal line and either circles and finds space, or gets the puck to his D behind his net or on the other side of his net to reverse the puck for an exit out the other side. Ehlers is also more inclined to take a hit to get his stick on the puck first, either chipping it to a puck-supporting teammate or moving even smothering it and then working from a stalemate instead of giving it up easily.
I think the easiest way for Connor to improve his zone play with the puck might be to use Ehlers' strategy of "reversing" the puck - taking it deeper into his own corner from high up the half wall and creating space and options to reverse the puck for a cleaner exit the other way. He has the skill and speed to do this, but is much more inclined to make a half-hearted attempt to clear the zone than he is to try to hang onto the puck and find space. It's notable that both Ehlers and Connor excel at creating space for themselves with the puck in the offensive zone, but only Ehlers tends to use his quickness and agility to carry the puck into safer areas in his own zone.
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What do everyone in the top-6 have in common? They get shat on even when the team is winning.
Wheeler, Ehlers, O’Connor, Laine, Scheifele... all have gotten their fair share of criticism, far moreso than the top-6 on other boards. The Jets are doing good.
Wheeler, Ehlers, O’Connor, Laine, Scheifele... all have gotten their fair share of criticism, far moreso than the top-6 on other boards. The Jets are doing good.
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Yea I think he needs to be sheltered more with heavy O zone starts. He is a liability in our zone. Very passive, very tentative, very slow thought process.
Great weapon in the O zone but he is as one dimensional as they come.
I have to wonder how much of this is coaching, and Connor doing what coaches expect of him. Ehlers has been in the doghouse probably more than any other top 6 talent, and Connor gets endless praise from Maurice, along with ice time.
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I am the first to say though we need goals and that’s what Kyle does really well. So many really good goal scorers over the years were pretty one dimensional and it’s ok to have an asset like this. Dude is as slick as they get in the O zone. Also Kyle is not a Prima Donna which is very much a positive. By all accounts he is one of the most low maintenance guys on this team which is a rare element in a top scorer.
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Yeowza. Sizzling hot take.
I mean everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if it's completely wrong.
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