Confirmed with Link: Kreider extended 7 years, AAV approximately $6.5MM

[Amazing Kreiderman]

LMAO WHAT

All credibility to that opinion was lost once you said Fox should be captain....

What makes Fox unfit in your eyes to be the captain?

 

[MTK]

LMAO WHAT

All credibility to that opinion was lost once you said Fox should be captain....

Seriously not A NYR fan, but maybe look into his previous comments he doesn't want to have the C, but signing him saved some dumb Sather ( Gorton is sathers puppet) signing;. He gave NYR Discount, Wanted 7 years, NYR gave in after all interest dropped at 8am. , the contract is gonna suck 4-7, maybe not but he plays a rough game and it is a top LW

 

[Chimpradamus]

I like the salary, but not the contract length. I am happy he stayed as a Ranger though.

 

[Fugazy]

Not happy with this at all, and I definitely don't see Kreider as captain, I would rather give it to Fox despite him being a rookie.

wut

 

[nyr2k2]

I mean the this year and the next few aren't the problem with this deal. Its there being a pretty good chance he will not be nearly as good as he currently is in the backhalf of the deal.

That's definitely a concern, but if you believe the cap moves by a decent amount in the next 3-4 years, it's less of a concern. With a new TV deal and eventually a new CBA, it will be interesting to see what teams have to work with.

 

[RangerBoy]

Dom of The Athletic had this on February 13

Trade Deadline 2020’s big prize is Kreider which says … a lot about Trade Deadline 2020. Kreider is a great player, don’t get me wrong, but he’s probably more of a tweener first-liner than a bona fide one. His 1.96 win projection is right on the cusp. Usually there would be a “big fish” category prior to the “difference makers” reserved for players like Mark Stone and Taylor Hall, but not this year where it’s just Kreider and a bunch of second-liners.

Kreider is a big body and can skate lightning fast, a dangerous combination that can add a vital element in two facets to a playoff team. He’s usually good for 30 goals and 60 points and strong play-driving ability, but that later trait has come into question a bit this season with some weaker defensive numbers than he’s usually put up. Kreider has a strong impact on suppressing chances over the last few years and when coupled with strong play-driving on offence has led to some of the better expected goals impacts in the league. Not so this year though where Kreider’s expected goals percentage is at 44 percent. It’s the first time since his rookie year that Kreider has been below 50 percent and a negative influence relative to his team.

The Rangers are still outscoring teams heavily with Kreider on the ice, but there’s some reason to be concerned given his on-ice scoring chance numbers. Given his history, Kreider should be fine and a strong addition to any team, but it gives reason for pause in acquiring him of whether his weaker defensive numbers are on him or the team around him.

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One could argue the decline in Kreider's game has already started.

The Rangers will regret the back end of the contract.

 

[nyr2k2]

General Managers buy out bad contracts, so they can hand out new bad contracts

To be fair, at 6.5m it's not as bad as I initially thought it would be. With talks about an AAV between 7 and 8m, the 6.5m isn't that bad. I still feel the last 3 years will hurt us unless Kreider keeps up. And I really hope he does. I hope he's the exception to the rule. I really do.

I think there will be a natural drop off, if his speed declines. Fortunately, he does things that aren't totally reliant on speed--he's arguably the best player in front of the net in the NHL currently, he should remain a big, strong, bull of a player, etc. And even with just above-average skating he should remain productive to a level where his output/cap hit isn't unreasonable, given what you'd think is an increased cap. That's my hope, anyway. If he loses the speed, maybe he can evolve into a lesser Franzen.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think there will be a natural drop off, if his speed declines. Fortunately, he does things that aren't totally reliant on speed--he's arguably the best player in front of the net in the NHL currently, he should remain a big, strong, bull of a player, etc. And even with just above-average skating he should remain productive to a level where his output/cap hit isn't unreasonable, given what you'd think is an increased cap. That's my hope, anyway. If he loses the speed, maybe he can evolve into a lesser Franzen.

Yeah, he won't be completely useless but I think we should be careful with what our expectations are. We didn't "keep the Kreider we know" but we replace him with the 29-36 year old Kreider. How effective that version of Kreider will be, remains to be seen. But the 6.5m AAV does make it less of an issue to me. In no way am I comparing Kreider to the following examples as a player, but the reactions were overwhelmingly positive when we signed Richards, when we traded for St Louis, when we extended Girardi. At the end of the day, it's a gamble, and I hope it pays off. I am just preparing for a scenario where he doesn't have the same impact he has had so far. And I still feel the last 2 months were an anomaly, and not a sign of him "hitting that next gear" so to speak. You rarely see players at age 29 hitting that next level and becoming a better player.

That said, I am excited for the first 3-4 years of this contract.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Yeah, he won't be completely useless but I think we should be careful with what our expectations are. We didn't "keep the Kreider we know" but we replace him with the 29-36 year old Kreider. How effective that version of Kreider will be, remains to be seen. But the 6.5m AAV does make it less of an issue to me. In no way am I comparing Kreider to the following examples as a player, but the reactions were overwhelmingly positive when we signed Richards, when we traded for St Louis, when we extended Girardi. At the end of the day, it's a gamble, and I hope it pays off. I am just preparing for a scenario where he doesn't have the same impact he has had so far. And I still feel the last 2 months were an anomaly, and not a sign of him "hitting that next gear" so to speak. You rarely see players at age 29 hitting that next level and becoming a better player.

That said, I am excited for the first 3-4 years of this contract.

Regarding his last two months, I wouldn’t say he’s reached a new level, moreso moving back to his norm. His current production would have him exceed his career highs for a season, but, they really aren’t that much of an overall uptick in his production.

I also think you could trace some of it to Zibanejad returning to the lineup, and Kreider moving back next to him. People seem to forget that, to start the year, Quinn tried to force the Panarin/Zibanejad pairing, and tried playing Kreider with Strome and Kakko, none of which worked. He was more effective playing with Chytil as his center. Strome fit in with Panarin, so once Zibanejad returned, he and Kreider were reunited, and that’s when they took off.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Regarding his last two months, I wouldn’t say he’s reached a new level, moreso moving back to his norm. His current production would have him exceed his career highs for a season, but, they really aren’t that much of an overall uptick in his production.

I also think you could trace some of it to Zibanejad returning to the lineup, and Kreider moving back next to him. People seem to forget that, to start the year, Quinn tried to force the Panarin/Zibanejad pairing, and tried playing Kreider with Strome and Kakko, none of which worked. He was more effective playing with Chytil as his center. Strome fit in with Panarin, so once Zibanejad returned, he and Kreider were reunited, and that’s when they took off.

So he's a product of Zibanejad, the same way Strome is a product or Panarin

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So 4 years NMC and 3 years NTC?

At least they lined it up for the years hes set to be most productive.

 

[Irishguy42]

Good structure, pending the NTC scope.

 

[Crease]

NMC first four years. NTC last three.

 

[RangerBoy]

Only $1M in signing bonus money in the last 3 seasons of the contract. Last season of the contract. Not buyout proof like Panarin's contract.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Easier to read this way

 

[Crease]

What is the relationship between salary, bonus, and buyouts?

 

[Irishguy42]

What is the relationship between salary, bonus, and buyouts?

In short, a contract is "buyout proof" if it's overloaded with signing bonuses, particularly in the backhalf of the contract.

Kreiders deal is structured in a way that doesn't make it buyout proof.

 

[JohnC]

Paying Kreider could mean we lose Zib when his contract is up.

Skeptical. Something like $20M coming off the books next summer with Hank, Staal, and Smith expiring and (hopefully) a rising cap in the next few years?

This year and next were always going to be the biggest cap obstacles.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

What is the relationship between salary, bonus, and buyouts?

Need CapFriendly to come back online after their post TDL maintenance to tell you exactly what his buyouts might look like, but in general, front-loaded payouts and low/no signing bonuses are ideal for buyout purposes.

 

[NYR Viper]

Something to keep in mind is that Zibanejad will be looking for the same term in a couple of years. Gorton can't point to Kreider taking 6 years in negotiations. There will be another 29 year old 7 year deal coming for the Rangers

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I find it funny that this contract is essentially made to be bought out at some point

 

[RGY]

Seriously not A NYR fan, but maybe look into his previous comments he doesn't want to have the C, but signing him saved some dumb Sather ( Gorton is sathers puppet) signing;. He gave NYR Discount, Wanted 7 years, NYR gave in after all interest dropped at 8am. , the contract is gonna suck 4-7, maybe not but he plays a rough game and it is a top LW

Hmm not a Rangers fan...but “youre pretty sure” he said he doesnt want to be the captain. First I have ever heard of this.

Before you come on here with the fake news, have some evidence to back it up. Thanks.

 

[nyr2k2]

Yeah, he won't be completely useless but I think we should be careful with what our expectations are. We didn't "keep the Kreider we know" but we replace him with the 29-36 year old Kreider. How effective that version of Kreider will be, remains to be seen. But the 6.5m AAV does make it less of an issue to me. In no way am I comparing Kreider to the following examples as a player, but the reactions were overwhelmingly positive when we signed Richards, when we traded for St Louis, when we extended Girardi. At the end of the day, it's a gamble, and I hope it pays off. I am just preparing for a scenario where he doesn't have the same impact he has had so far. And I still feel the last 2 months were an anomaly, and not a sign of him "hitting that next gear" so to speak. You rarely see players at age 29 hitting that next level and becoming a better player.

That said, I am excited for the first 3-4 years of this contract.

Agree with the premise of this post. However, lots of people were really concerned about both the term and AAV of the Richards deal (not me). A large number of people thought we gave up way too much for St. Louis (I was partly in that camp). And there were huge numbers of people that hated the Girardi deal from day one, saying we just signed a guy who already sucked (not me, LOL). Just like there were lots of people against signing Shattenkirk even to his discount deal, or Staal, or whatever. There are quite a few people who always beat the drum about the major risk with these deals and are often proven right. There are lots of us, too, like me, who are lukewarm on things but talk ourselves into liking it because we want to be optimistic.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Something to keep in mind is that Zibanejad will be looking for the same term in a couple of years. Gorton can't point to Kreider taking 6 years in negotiations. There will be another 29 year old 7 year deal coming for the Rangers

It’s a concern, especially given his injury history, but a) premiere players tend to age better than non-premiere guys and b) they’ll (fingers crossed) be square in their windows then. Barring something unforeseen, you grit your teeth and pay the man.