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Injury Report: Kreider (Broken Hand)
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Agreed. I've seen people on here arguing that Kreider is a bigger loss than any other forward not named Zucc or Nash. Come on. MSL means more to this team down the stretch, as does Stepan, and a bunch of other forwards.
Since the new year, Kreider has less points than every other top 9 forward, including Richards and Pouliot. And it's not just his scoring - I'd argue he's been one of our least effective top 9 forwards overall in that time frame as well.
He's got only 3 more points than Dominic Moore since the new year. We'll get through this. If we get lucky, Miller has a chance to be even more effective than Kreider has been recently.
Saw that over the last four games he hasn't had a shot and has only attempted three. I agree he hasn't been the same. Not invisible or bad, but no swagger, maybe a break will do him good.
He'll be back for the playoffs. I would lay money on it. If he played with a broken hand, I'm sure there's nothing that will be stopping him from playing like that in the playoffs. Hopefully the Rangers plan on using him in the playoffs and it's gonna be one of those secret "upper body" or "lower body" injuries.
Worse than Stepan to these people? Hell even Brassard and Richards IMO are bigger losses due to position and Richards' PP prowess. The guy does open up some room with his size and speed, but Miller is both physical and fast. Hell I'd argue that he was more tenacious than Kreider the last time he was up here. Honestly, if Kreider were still playing like he was in the beginning of the season this would be a much bigger deal. He hasn't even been using his size nearly as much. He WAS starting to look better. I thought he had a really solid game yesterday. Set up what would have been a goal if not for a great Smith save. But I think Miller can make that play too. In fact there are certain things Miller is better at than Kreider. He has better hands, IMO. Also I for one am excited to see him in the stretch run especially since it seems like he's ready. It'll be GREAT for his development. If we lose in the first round or miss the playoffs (the latter seems like it would take a catastrophe of Leaf proportions), I doubt very much it'll be because of the lack of Kreider.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
Kreider hasn't done all that much the 2nd half of the season. He'll be missed, but certainly a hole that JT Miller can fill
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
tied with Brass and Poo in powerplay goals. i hope the PP does not suffer. he is one of the few with size that can cause problems for the goalies.
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
I like Miller's potential for the future but he's done nothing offensively in the NHL so far.
One Winged Angel
You Can't Escape
Yeah, we have 2 underperforming superstar players already in the lineup that haven't done much for us lately that need to step up.
Let's talk about them, not JT Miller or Jesper Fast stepping up.
Let's talk about them, not JT Miller or Jesper Fast stepping up.
Larrybiv
We're CLEAN, we PROMISE!
Last time I've checked, Stars have 5 points. Funny, but not so funny this fact.
In the last 5 games:
G-A-Pts
Nash 3-0-3
Richards 1-0-1
St. Louis 0-1-1
COMBINED !! Pretty pathetic stats for those "Stars" totaling about 20 mil. Just saying
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
He hasn't been outstanding but he has an absolutely dismal 3.01% on ice team shooting percentage, behind all our grinders, which suggests there might be some noise there.
Last time he was up here he was great. Should have had 3 points in 3 games, had 2 anyway.
BBKers
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NYR Record since the St Louis trade
7 - 3 - 1
All three of these losses were lowscoring, one goal (add one EN goal) games that could/should have given a point on a team desperate for a playoff spot.
Total is 32 goals scored - 21 goals against since the trade (2,91 GF/game, 1,91 GA/game)
Before trade goal differential was 162 GF and 157 GA in 62 GP (2,62 GF/game, 2,53 GA/game)
Rangers are at 40-29-4 averaging 1,15 PPG. Before the trade Rangers were 33-26-3 and averaged 1,11 PPG. Rangers have averaged 1,36 PPG after it.
So both offense, defense and record have all improved since the trade.
This is all good. Team wise, of course.
However The Big 3:s production has dropped significantly in this span. These are the highly paid to go guys that Sather has mortaged our future and gone "all in" on - by trading off a big part of the future in picks, sending away fan favourite homegrown talent and outbidding the whole league for. They have consistently (barring a few exceptions) been pretty darned quiet when they should be leading the charge. Other - non star players - have been the ones to really step up instead. Stats are::
Rash 11 GP - 4 G - 2 A - 6 Pts - 0,55 PPG pace (before trade 40 GP - 19 G - 10 A - 29 P - 0,725 PPG). Salary = $7.800.000. Caphit = $7.800.000
MSL 11 GP - 0 G - 3 A - 3 Pts - 0,27 PPG pace (before trade 62 GP - 29 G - 32 A - 61 P - 1,00 PPG). Salary = $6,500,000. Caphit = $5,625,000
Beaver 11 GP - 1 G - 2 A - 3 Pts - 0,27 PPG pace (before trade 62 GP - 16 G - 28 A - 44 P - 0,71 PPG ). Salary = $9.000.000. Caphit = $6.666.667
TOTAL 33 GP - 5 G - 7 A - 12 Pts - 0,36 PPG pace (before trade 164 GP - 64 G - 50 A - 134 Pts - 0,82 PPG). Salary = $23.300.000. Caphit = $20.091.667
Big 3 has 12 points and 5 goals since the Cally trade - of a total of 32 NYR goals scored SINCE the DEADLINE (15% of goals scored)
Point totals for The Big 3 are 12 out of a total of 82 points (14,6%) in the relative 11 game span
These 3 players cap hit are $20.091.667 of $55.654.658 of the total hit of roster players not playing in goal. That means that their cap hit is 36,1% of this available space.
Let the brain surgeon apologists now say "We are winning because these 3 stars open up the ice for everyone else"... Bleh blen bleh
I dare you to...
Out there but: Numbers for Callahan are 45 GP - 11 G - 14 A - 25 Pts (0,56 PPG) before the trade and 10 GP - 2 G - 4 A - 6 Pts (0,60 PPG) since it occured. Tampa has lost one game in regulation since the trade going 5-1-4 (1,40 PPG)
Seems like pouliott , zucc and others can switch from lw to rw . Richards should slide to lw for miller at 3rd line c but he won't
Idlerlee
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Nash - Step - Zucc
Hagelin - Miller - St louis
Pouliot - Brass - Richards
I wouldnt mind this so much. St Louis is notorious for producing alongside rookies and I honestly believe Miller is ready to get the job done
Thanks for clarification.
I seemed to remember Miller had 5 games, but I could be wrong.
Plus that was then, this is now (new CBA).
Miller was under 20 years old, Haggerty is not. Contracts can only slide two years after initial draft eligibility.
I don't know if I'd call it "star power" with the way things are going with those 3 right now
NYR Record since the St Louis trade
7 - 3 - 1
All three of these losses were lowscoring, one goal (add one EN goal) games that could/should have given a point on a team desperate for a playoff spot.
Total is 32 goals scored - 21 goals against since the trade (2,91 GF/game, 1,91 GA/game)
Before trade goal differential was 162 GF and 157 GA in 62 GP (2,62 GF/game, 2,53 GA/game)
Rangers are at 40-29-4 averaging 1,15 PPG. Before the trade Rangers were 33-26-3 and averaged 1,11 PPG. Rangers have averaged 1,36 PPG after it.
So both offense, defense and record have all improved since the trade.
This is all good. Team wise, of course.
However The Big 3:s production has dropped significantly in this span. These are the highly paid to go guys that Sather has mortaged our future and gone "all in" on - by trading off a big part of the future in picks, sending away fan favourite homegrown talent and outbidding the whole league for. They have consistently (barring a few exceptions) been pretty darned quiet when they should be leading the charge. Other - non star players - have been the ones to really step up instead. Stats are::
Rash 11 GP - 4 G - 2 A - 6 Pts - 0,55 PPG pace (before trade 40 GP - 19 G - 10 A - 29 P - 0,725 PPG). Salary = $7.800.000. Caphit = $7.800.000
MSL 11 GP - 0 G - 3 A - 3 Pts - 0,27 PPG pace (before trade 62 GP - 29 G - 32 A - 61 P - 1,00 PPG). Salary = $6,500,000. Caphit = $5,625,000
Beaver 11 GP - 1 G - 2 A - 3 Pts - 0,27 PPG pace (before trade 62 GP - 16 G - 28 A - 44 P - 0,71 PPG ). Salary = $9.000.000. Caphit = $6.666.667
TOTAL 33 GP - 5 G - 7 A - 12 Pts - 0,36 PPG pace (before trade 164 GP - 64 G - 50 A - 134 Pts - 0,82 PPG). Salary = $23.300.000. Caphit = $20.091.667
Big 3 has 12 points and 5 goals since the Cally trade - of a total of 32 NYR goals scored SINCE the DEADLINE (15% of goals scored)
Point totals for The Big 3 are 12 out of a total of 82 points (14,6%) in the relative 11 game span
These 3 players cap hit are $20.091.667 of $55.654.658 of the total hit of roster players not playing in goal. That means that their cap hit is 36,1% of this available space.
Let the brain surgeon apologists now say "We are winning because these 3 stars open up the ice for everyone else"... Bleh blen bleh
I dare you to...
Out there but: Numbers for Callahan are 45 GP - 11 G - 14 A - 25 Pts (0,56 PPG) before the trade and 10 GP - 2 G - 4 A - 6 Pts (0,60 PPG) since it occured. Tampa has lost one game in regulation since the trade going 5-1-4 (1,40 PPG)
Go Callahan!
I think since St. Lois has come on he hasn't had much PP time. It's been Nash, Step, MSL on one unit, and Zuc, Brass and Pouliot on the other. Or at least that's what I've seen the most of; could be mistaken. I've seen Kreider on the PP when a draw was taken with minimal time remaining and they just wanted the first line (20-21-61) out there.
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