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gravey9 said:
I agree he's making a mountain out of a mohill.

Unfortunately for Kravtsov his situation is not the same as Lias Andersson's. It's closer to Jesse P. Meaning, the Rangers view him as a top 6 talent. Whereas Lias was viewed as a bottom 6 guy. So, trading Lias for a 2nd round pick who turned into a different bottom 6 talent seems like pretty equal value all things being equal.

But because VK is viewed as a top 6 guy, trading him for anything less in return is not in the best interest of the Rangers even if they have to wait a few years. There's no rush to trade him for a 2nd round pick. If VK is going to stay in Russia -- it's really no headache for the org. Out of sight out of mind. Let him build his value up playing the K. Because trading for him for less just to get rid of the problem seems shortsighted and unnecessary.

So... if VK holds to his trade demand he is likely going to end up playing for at least a year if not much longer in the KHL (assuming the Rangers loan him).

If VK is fine staying the K, then he'll be fine. If he has bigger dreams, they are going to have to wait a long time.

I mean think about it. He refuses to play in the A only to play in a league that is basically the same skill level in the K. It's shortsighted on his part no matter what the relationship is like.
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Agree with most of this but I think the KHL is a significantly higher skill level than the AHL. KHL teams sometimes beat NHL teams in games. There are KHL teams they would make the NHL playoffs, there is no AHL team who would stand a chance against Arizona or Buffalo.
 
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Zine said:
You can tell from interviews he's an entitled rich kid. That said, I'm almost certain someone in the Ranger organization whined and dined him and promised him the earth to get him over to New York ASAP instead of taking his time to develop in KHL. Happens all the time with our players albeit scouts, GMs, agents doing the influencing. NHL teams want control of their assets.
He then went to Manhattan with his head in the clouds and reality hit him. Poor recipe for success with an unworldly spoiled kid.
Seeing Lafrenier and Kakko handed roster spots, which they certainly didn't earn with their on-ice performance when they first came to the NHL, doesn't help either.
Well done. What a **** show.:laugh:
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Eh, every organization, every coach, every gm makes their own talent evaluations and has their own double standards. ALL of that is out of the players control (or is supposed to be). As a player you have to control what you can control and focus on that. It's no different than being an actor who whines because you're not getting a part. Unless you've been legit blacklisted for an unlawful or unethical reason, you have no choice to push through that or find a new profession. VK is no different.

Tell me how Zac Jones or Braden Schneider are any different.
 
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If people were really overpromisng prospects like Andersson and Kravtsov then I do hope they were part of the front office purge. I feel like Larry or Vince mentioned Bobrov as well but I'm unsure whether that was really insider intel or speculation

I do think that guys coming from other leagues like the SHL or KHL need to realize it's not about them being "too good" for the AHL, if they're sent down, it's about learning a different style of play. The KHL and SHL are good leagues but the game isn't quite the same and if you're not ready for the NHL quite yet, playing in the AHL is probably your fastest way to learn what it is that's different about NA style hockey.

Not good or bad or whatever, just learning a different system or style so to speak. Some players are just talented enough to power through that straight at the NHL level but it's also not thaaaat common I think...most guys who stick in the NHL even have a learning period where they are unremarkable
 
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Gallant’s answer about Kravtsov sounds kinda good. Drury & his agent are talking daily? There must be some sort of progress or attempt at it. I also like how he said that it’s not his choice and that’s on Drury, I am really suspect about the idea that Gallant thought Krav shouldn’t make the team. They choose him over Kakko to go out there to start OT then the next day he’s cut? His remark here makes it sound like it’s a Drury thing
 
gravey9 said:
I agree he's making a mountain out of a mohill.

Unfortunately for Kravtsov his situation is not the same as Lias Andersson's. It's closer to Jesse P. Meaning, the Rangers view him as a top 6 talent. Whereas Lias was viewed as a bottom 6 guy. So, trading Lias for a 2nd round pick who turned into a different bottom 6 talent seems like pretty equal value all things being equal.

But because VK is viewed as a top 6 guy, trading him for anything less in return is not in the best interest of the Rangers even if they have to wait a few years. There's no rush to trade him for a 2nd round pick. If VK is going to stay in Russia -- it's really no headache for the org. Out of sight out of mind. Let him build his value up playing the K. Because trading for him for less just to get rid of the problem seems shortsighted and unnecessary.

So... if VK holds to his trade demand he is likely going to end up playing for at least a year if not much longer in the KHL (assuming the Rangers loan him).

If VK is fine staying the K, then he'll be fine. If he has bigger dreams, they are going to have to wait a long time.

I mean think about it. He refuses to play in the A only to play in a league that is basically the same skill level in the K. It's shortsighted on his part no matter what the relationship is like.
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In Edmonton’s case it was pretty much all hockey related and how to get JP to gain confidence to start playing at close to the level he was projected.

In this case it’s rather about egos and unwarranted expectations so at the moment we don’t know how (but can guess) but the situation actually could devolve where even that hypothetical 2nd is not on the table.
 
kovazub94 said:
In Edmonton’s case it was pretty much all hockey related and how to get JP to gain confidence to start playing at close to the level he was projected.

In this case it’s rather about egos and unwarranted expectations so at the moment we don’t know how (but can guess) but the situation actually could devolve where even that hypothetical 2nd is not on the table.
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Likelihood is that this just remains a standoff. Kravtsov could look into suing but at that point he'll be ending his NHL career.
 
gravey9 said:
Likelihood is that this just remains a standoff. Kravtsov could look into suing but at that point he'll be ending his NHL career.
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Let’s assume his motivation upon being sent to Hartford last week was to go play for another team ASAP (if it was so one-sided and he was truly wronged by the Rangers organization). What would be the best way to accomplish this? Wouldn’t it be to have his agent privately reach out to Drury with the request, quietly go to Hartford while the issue is sorted out. Instead he made a big thing out of it. Fine, at least stay put to show a trading team he’s at the ready to join at first notice. No, instead he went back to Chelyabinsk??? What team would give anything of better value to Drury now? He clearly doesn’t care if he plays right away. And with him not playing for awhile what happens next?
 
kovazub94 said:
Let’s assume his motivation upon being sent to Hartford last week was to go play for another team ASAP (if it was so one-sided and he was truly wronged by the Rangers organization). What would be the best way to accomplish this? Wouldn’t it be to have his agent privately reach out to Drury with the request, quietly go to Hartford while the issue is sorted out. Instead he made a big thing out of it. Fine, at least stay put to show a trading team he’s at the ready to join at first notice. No, instead he went back to Chelyabinsk??? What team would give anything of better value to Drury now? He clearly doesn’t care if he plays right away. And with him not playing for awhile what happens next?
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He pretty much had to go back. The weight of his trade request is useless if he's sitting in NY. He needs to go home to show he means biz. I don't like it. But from a certain standpoint i understand it
 
gravey9 said:
Eh, every organization, every coach, every gm makes their own talent evaluations and has their own double standards. ALL of that is out of the players control (or is supposed to be). As a player you have to control what you can control and focus on that. It's no different than being an actor who whines because you're not getting a part. Unless you've been legit blacklisted for an unlawful or unethical reason, you have no choice to push through that or find a new profession. VK is no different.

Tell me how Zac Jones or Braden Schneider are any different.
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I don't disagree. Teams/coaches are rife with double standards. Basically, all that matters is what is on paper (in the contract). The NHL is a cut-throat business. Kravtsov still needs to come to terms with this.
But it doesn't negate that he was probably smooth talked by someone in the organization because, unlike Jones or Schneider, he has a very lucrative alternative in the KHL. Don't think the Rangers organization aren't painfully aware of this.
The way I see it the Rangers are at fault for probably feeding him false promises (Bobrov?) and so is Kravtsov for not being a professional and holding a grudge like spoiled children do.

Like I said, a match made in heaven.:laugh:
 
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I actually wouldn't be surprised at this point if Drury and Kravtsov eventually mend their relationship and Kravtsov ends up playing for us. In reality, it's only been a few days since this became headline news. It really might not be as intense as it seems from our perspective.
 
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Zine said:
I don't disagree. Teams/coaches are rife with double standards. Basically, all that matters is what is on paper (in the contract). The NHL is a cut-throat business. Kravtsov still needs to come to terms with this.
But it doesn't negate that he was probably smooth talked by someone in the organization because, unlike Jones or Schneider, he has a very lucrative alternative in the KHL. Don't think the Rangers organization aren't painfully aware of this.
The way I see it the Rangers are at fault for probably feeding him false promises (Bobrov?) and so is Kravtsov for not being a professional and holding a grudge like spoiled children do.

Like I said, a match made in heaven.:laugh:
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From my recollection, Kravtsov shocked all of us and i think the org when he wanted to sign immediately after the draft. I think the Rangers had to get him to hold off or go back to KHL. i remember him being very enthused about it all and it taking us by surprise as fans. That could have been him being sweet talked. But the impression we were all left with was wow this kid thinks he's ready right now and the org feeling he needed more seasoning. So, the sweet talked narrative... I need actual proof of how anything said to VK was diff than other prospects and other orgs.
 
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EdJovanovski said:

Gallant’s answer about Kravtsov sounds kinda good. Drury & his agent are talking daily? There must be some sort of progress or attempt at it. I also like how he said that it’s not his choice and that’s on Drury, I am really suspect about the idea that Gallant thought Krav shouldn’t make the team. They choose him over Kakko to go out there to start OT then the next day he’s cut? His remark here makes it sound like it’s a Drury thing
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I think you are reading what you want to see into this. I didn't see anything in that interview that indicates the bolded above. He said that dealing with a player holding out like Krav is Drury's job, not his. That's it. If anything, I think his comment about Goodrow could be read as a bit of a dig at Kravtsov (the bit about "he's the kind of player that will go wherever you put him and won't complain about it" when asked about Goodrow playing at center). As for why he had Kravtsov out for the OT in the last pre-season game, the reasoning is kind of obvious. He wants to see more of the guys who are on the bubble. Kakko made the team before camp started. Kravtsov was right down to the line, and he was giving those guys every opportunity to show him something.

I do agree that it's a good sign--either of this getting patched up (less likely) or of it being resolved via a value trade--that Drury and the agent are in daily contact.

I'll also say that the best person to do the sort of "intervention" with Krav that many have called for isn't necessarily the coach or the GM, but rather the captain (or leadership group, in our case). They would have been the first to see his reaction and could/should have called him into a small meeting with guys like Shesterkin, Chytil, etc. If none of them did that, it's no surprise that nobody got a C.
 
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gravey9 said:
From my recollection, Kravtsov shocked all of us and i think the org when he wanted to sign immediately after the draft. I think the Rangers had to get him to hold off or go back to KHL. i remember him being very enthused about it all and it taking us by surprise as fans. That could have been him being sweet talked. But the impression we were all left with was wow this kid thinks he's ready right now and the org feeling he needed more seasoning. So, the sweet talked narrative... I need actual proof of how anything said to VK was diff than other prospects and other orgs.
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He couldn't sign after the draft, he had a year left on KHL contract. But yeah, I have yet to see a kid so enthusiastic about going to NHL, only to then do a complete 180 degrees. It doesn't add up unless other factors are in play.

If he wasn't fed lies, and was told he needed to earn his spot yet he still expected to make the NHL straight away, he's not spoiled - he's delirious. This craziness would've manifested itself well before the draft with Traktor, Russian junior team, etc. too.
I'm almost certain he went to New York believing he'd be given preferential treatment. That doesn't manifest out of thin air.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
The problem here is he’s had issues with Drury specifically, it’s not Bobrov was solely the problem.

Him going back to Russia is not great though, understand on the surface why he did it but it seems like he just continues to make poor decisions
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He's posturing bc if he signs a khl deal he is stuck their until the khl season is over. It's him posturing to NYR that he isn't going to Hartford so trade me asap or I'm signing in the khl. If he does that he isn't moving until the summer and probably only if he lights it up over there anyways.
 
Loki Dog 74 said:
The only spots not spoken for were on the 4th line/as the extra sitting in the press box. It wasn’t about being one of the 13 best forwards in camp/preseason. He had to be one of the best nine. Playing on the 4th line with Rooney and Reaves 9 minutes per night wasn’t going to help Kravtsov grow into a successful NHLer, nor help the team have the 4th line it wants to have (one that has a specific role and isn’t just a mash of players who didn’t make the top nine). Sitting in the press box as the extra forward would make even less sense. I don’t think Drury should have anticipated Kravtsov would be a little bitch about being asked to go down for a couple of weeks; he expected him to be professional, just like Chytil and Lindgren were, just like Jones, Barron and Schneider are. Just like Lundkvist would have been.

There were only 9 spots for Krav to compete for. Gallant was never going to give him a 4th line spot. Of those 9 spots, Kravtsov had no chance of beating Zib, Panarin, Kreider or Strome - 4 vets who are locked in. He had no chance of beating out Goodrow - a guy they went out specifically to get and gave a 6 year contract to. He had no real chance of beating out Chytil, because he’s a center and a 5th year pro, or Laf/KK. It was him versus Blais and the team liked Blais, what he brought, how he performed and… frankly, probably his attitude and work ethic, better than Kravtsov.

That’s professional sports. Be a professional.
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He should be in the top 9, he earned that spot
Laf zib kreider
Panarin strome Kakko
Goodrow chytil kravtsov
 
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bleedblue94 said:
He's posturing bc if he signs a khl deal he is stuck their until the khl season is over. It's him posturing to NYR that he isn't going to Hartford so trade me asap or I'm signing in the khl. If he does that he isn't moving until the summer and probably only if he lights it up over there anyways.
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He can't sign in the KHL until his ELC expires and he becomes an RFA at the end of the year. And if the Rangers didn't trade him and he refused to report all year you could also see a scenario where the Rangers try to toll his contract and then he wouldn't even be able to sign after the season, either.
 
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