Traded Korpisalo (5 years/20M)

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Eh... Doesn't Korpi have more potential though?

That probably depends who you ask. Not much optimism from me for either other than maybe some pressure off from a change of scenery.

Their career numbers are very similar and in some ways probably proves as a cautionary tale that should have been heeded.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Eh... Doesn't Korpi have more potential though?

I mean, he’s 29 and has never been consistent. Not sure what potential is there. Don’t want Jack Campbell though.

 

[Good in Osgoode]

The Jack Campbell swap suggestion doesn't seem that out of line if Edmonton were willing.

Just pulled up Campbell's numbers for the last 4 years.

Aside from the 5 games in Edmonton at the start of the season (which are terrible), the numbers are pretty damn good, especially his time with TML (48-12-8); save percentage over .915 and GAA around 2.50 with a fairly suspect D. Doubtful Edmonton touches Korpi but this is certainly worth consideration from our end.

 

[BondraTime]

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Just pulled up Campbell's numbers for the last 4 years.

Aside from the 5 games in Edmonton at the start of the season (which are terrible), the numbers are pretty damn good, especially his time with TML (48-12-8); save percentage over .915 and GAA around 2.50 with a fairly suspect D. Doubtful Edmonton touches Korpi but this is certainly worth consideration from our end.

Are you missing the entire 2022-23 season?

 

[Good in Osgoode]

Are you missing the entire 2022-23 season?

I know he sh@t the bed in the playoffs but 21W - 9L- 4OTL in the regular season in 22-23?

I would take that all day long over what we have in net right now.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

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Just pulled up Campbell's numbers for the last 4 years.

Aside from the 5 games in Edmonton at the start of the season (which are terrible), the numbers are pretty damn good, especially his time with TML (48-12-8); save percentage over .915 and GAA around 2.50 with a fairly suspect D. Doubtful Edmonton touches Korpi but this is certainly worth consideration from our end.

I'd make the swap just to have 1 less year on the deal, and I'd give Campbell some games to see if a miracle could be had before I'd bury him again or buy him out, but realistically, they're both probably nothing more than team killing cannon fodder contracts at this point.

Probably not something Edmonton would consider anyways.

 

[BondraTime]

I know he sh@t the bed in the playoffs but 21W - 9L- 4OTL in the regular season in 22-23?

I would take that all day long over what we have in net right now.

He legitimately had 0.002% better save percentage than Korpisalo has this year. He was the worst starting goalie in the league last season.

He’s was horrifically bad last season, which is why his rope was so short this year.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

He legitimately had 0.002% better save percentage than Korpisalo has this year. He was the worst starting goalie in the league last season.

He’s was horrifically bad last season, which is why his rope was so short this year.

Can you hazard a guess as to why Campbell was able to succeed in Toronto? That can't be age related decline given the timeline, but he completely cratered.

At least with Korpisalo, we knew we weren't getting a goalie with good numbers, but Campbell had some numbers those 2 years prior.

 

[Senovision]

2022-23	Edmonton Oilers	NHL	36	1	2	2026	115	0	1	3.41	21	9	4	912	0.888	4	0	0
2023-24	Edmonton Oilers	NHL	5	0	0	267	20	0	0	4.50	1	4	0	137	0.873

Jack Campbell's statistics the last two seasons in Edmonton.
3.41 GA .888 save percentage
4.50 GA .873 save percentage

 

[Senovision]

Marc Andre Fleury's statistics the last two seasons in Minnesota

2022-23	Minnesota Wild	NHL	46	1	2	2654	126	0	2	2.85	24	16	4	1241	0.908	2	0	0
2023-24	Minnesota Wild	NHL	23	0	2	1282	63	0	1	2.95	8	9	3	549	0.897

2.85 GA .908
2.95 GA .897

 

[BondraTime]

Can you hazard a guess as to why Campbell was able to succeed in Toronto? That can't be age related decline given the timeline, but he completely cratered.

At least with Korpisalo, we knew we weren't getting a goalie with good numbers, but Campbell had some numbers those 2 years prior.

I know very little about evaluating goalies. Just going off numbers.

I knew which goalies were good when shooting on them, but I have absolutely zero ability to evaluate or project goalies.

Pretty much just go with what experts say, I never include goalies when looking at players or prospects, may as well be a different sport for me.

 

[h2]

He played very well tonight. More of this please.

 

[Icelevel]

He played very well tonight. More of this please.

I’d say he played really well. He has games like that.

 

[Crosside]

I remarked Korpi and Forsberg can play more than two games in row

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

So does he need to come in a reliever in order for him to have success?

 

[umma gumma]

So does he need to come in a reliever in order for him to have success?

We should start Sogaard and as soon as he lets in a goal make a goalie change.

 

[R2010]

I know very little about evaluating goalies. Just going off numbers.

I knew which goalies were good when shooting on them, but I have absolutely zero ability to evaluate or project goalies.

Pretty much just go with what experts say, I never include goalies when looking at players or prospects, may as well be a different sport for me.

Even for those who know how to evaluate goalies its a crapshoot. I liked Korpi's game last year. He's got amazing tools, reflexes and a great attitude. He looked much better technically last year. Years prior he was on and off hurt and that was impacting his quickness in a variety of ways but last year he seemed to have found his stability.

Then this year it's like he's completely lost his focus and positioning play.

We should start Sogaard and as soon as he lets in a goal make a goalie change.

Sogaard is showing some of the same issues as Korpi around losing his net and overmovement. He should take a look at how Nilsson used to play and see how a big body goalie can be really successful just playing a compact game.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[Senscore]

I think the full season stats paint a more accurate picture than a two week stretch.

 

[Micklebot]

Wow, he's been a hair above average (0.59 goals saved above expected over 82 games), and we get a 105 pts pace out of it...

Seriously though, take out the NYR game and he's actually been very good

Our issue is that over the entire season, he has allowed more goals than expected in 19 games and fewer than expected in only 13, 5 of which came in the last 7 games the tweet references.

 

[otown]

If the team plays effective D and limits shots to a reasonable level Korpisalo plays with confidence.
Jacque's system is starting to work in this regard with more forced turnovers, better transition and less time in the D zone.

 

[OD99]

If the team plays effective D and limits shots to a reasonable level Korpisalo plays with confidence.
Jacque's system is starting to work in this regard with more forced turnovers, better transition and less time in the D zone.

What is a reasonable level? There have been far too many games when he has given up 4 goals on 16 shots, or similar.

I am happy to have him play better and hope he can keep it up but the D excuse is just that, an excuse. He was beaten clean on shots that I expect an NHL tender to save, many times.

Insulating a goalie is no way to play hockey.

 

[R2010]

What is a reasonable level? There have been far too many games when he has given up 4 goals on 16 shots, or similar.

I am happy to have him play better and hope he can keep it up but the D excuse is just that, an excuse. He was beaten clean on shots that I expect an NHL tender to save, many times.

Insulating a goalie is no way to play hockey.

Yeah but it's still possible for him to put it all back together. Hopefully he does. He's sorta infuriating because he makes 10-bell saves look easy then whiffs at shots from the top of the circle.

 

[otown]

What is a reasonable level? There have been far too many games when he has given up 4 goals on 16 shots, or similar.

I am happy to have him play better and hope he can keep it up but the D excuse is just that, an excuse. He was beaten clean on shots that I expect an NHL tender to save, many times.

Insulating a goalie is no way to play hockey.

Agree that he has had his moments but doesn't "insulating" your goalie equate to better D?
One might say blocking shots is insulating your goalie.

 

[OD99]

Agree that he has had his moments but doesn't "insulating" your goalie equate to better D?
One might say blocking shots is insulating your goalie.

Both of those are team structure, not playing a certain way because you have no trust in your goalie to make a save. Any team in any sport wants less opportunities for the opposition to score points.

He needs to keep playing league average, at least, for the team to compete.