Proposal: Konecny for Vilardi+

[tomd]

Sure, I agree with that wholeheartedly, but saying someone is no longer exempt from waivers is a long way from calling them a likely waiver bust.

I also fully get GV is a total wild card for any acquiring team, that's not lost on me, but that doesn't mean he's automatically minimum value all around, Kings may as well hang onto him.

It's a pure numbers game with Vilardi. He isn't going to make the team at center behind Kopitar, Denault, Byfield, and Lizotte. His only chance at making the team is at RW and he would have to play well enough to be on the third line (first line will be either Kaliyev or a new addition/2nd line is set/and Vilardi isn't a 4th line type of player). So there is really only two spots that he can make the team at...3rd line RW or extra forward in the press box. Any other situation means he most likely goes on waivers. You'll cry like a baby (you've been doing that all year) if he is relegated to the press box. And if Byfield and Vilardi are 2/3 of the 3rd line then the team is already in deep trouble.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Last example of that?

You didn't post on our forum from June 2021 until the beginning of this year after proclaiming Blake was going to basically empty the cupboards of prospects for Reinhart and Eichel and we were idiots for not wanting to go for it, that Byfield would be the centerpiece, and more....so when no major moves were made and you took some heat, boom, one post in July and you were out until 2022.

This shit is easy and you do it once a year, come on man. It's not a big deal but it's a recurring pattern, and your posts are easily searchable. You only show up to shittalk the prospects and devalue Kings assets while talking down to posters so it's pretty transparent when you do it on other forums as well. You just hide until you're no longer wrong or people have forgotten how condescending you were in being wrong.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It's a pure numbers game with Vilardi. He isn't going to make the team at center behind Kopitar, Denault, Byfield, and Lizotte. His only chance at making the team is at RW and he would have to play well enough to be on the third line (first line will be either Kaliyev or a new addition/2nd line is set/and Vilardi isn't a 4th line type of player). So there is really only two spots that he can make the team at...3rd line RW or extra forward in the press box. Any other situation means he most likely goes on waivers. You'll cry like a baby (you've been doing that all year) if he is relegated to the press box. And if Byfield and Vilardi are 2/3 of the 3rd line then the team is already in deep trouble.

No shit, and he was already converted to full-time winger. Try to keep up.

 

[Gurglesons]

Sure, I agree with that wholeheartedly, but saying someone is no longer exempt from waivers is a long way from calling them a likely waiver bust.

I also fully get GV is a total wild card for any acquiring team, that's not lost on me, but that doesn't mean he's automatically minimum value all around, Kings may as well hang onto him.

How is Konecny minimum value?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

How is Konecny minimum value?

He's not. I already said OP trade would be great value. I'm saying suggesting he's going to get waived is minimizing his value, suggesting you can just pick him up on waivers later.

I'm not attacking Konecny, I wanted him in that draft and he's one of my favorite players since, stop being defensive like I am.

If anything, in short, all I'm saying is Kings are unlikely to get value for Vilardi right this minute, he's going to be worth a whole lot more to the Kings than anyone else at this point, but if they were going to trade him, it would have better be for something towards his eventual ceiling, I don't see why Philly does this unless they're trying to get bigger and younger and really, really believe in him (and are sick of Konecny). But also that the idea of him simply getting waived after all the Kings have put into him is laughable, especially on the edge of moving out redundant parts that were basically on tryout this year (i.e. Lias Andersson, AA, etc.).

 

[tomd]

You didn't post on our forum from June 2021 until the beginning of this year after proclaiming Blake was going to basically empty the cupboards of prospects for Reinhart and Eichel and we were idiots for not wanting to go for it, that Byfield would be the centerpiece, and more....so when no major moves were made and you took some heat, boom, one post in July and you were out until 2022.

This shit is easy and you do it once a year, come on man. It's not a big deal but it's a recurring pattern, and your posts are easily searchable. You only show up to shittalk the prospects and devalue Kings assets while talking down to posters so it's pretty transparent when you do it on other forums as well. You just hide until you're no longer wrong or people have forgotten how condescending you were in being wrong.

When you are losing you start lying. Show me the posts brother.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

When you are losing you start lying. Show me the posts brother.

It's an easy search that anyone can see if they're interested in. I'm not interested in wasting any more energy incinerating you with your own homework. Anyone around our forum knows you could set a calendar to your entries and exits and that they usually revolve around trashing players, trashing posters who defend those players because they're just Kings fans and you're a 'fan of the game' and thus not a homer, then disappearing when you're wrong. If anything, you going in so hard on him gives me more hope for Vilardi than I had, so thanks for the input!

 

[tomd]

No shit, and he was already converted to full-time winger. Try to keep up.

So you agree that there is almost no room for him on the team without saying so. There is one spot open to him (maybe). If he doesn't take that spot he'll either be in the press box or on waivers. And my personal belief is that he won't get that spot.

 

[tomd]

It's an easy search that anyone can see if they're interested in. I'm not interested in wasting any more energy incinerating you with your own homework. Anyone around our forum knows you could set a calendar to your entries and exits and that they usually revolve around trashing players, trashing posters who defend those players because they're just Kings fans and you're a 'fan of the game' and thus not a homer, then disappearing when you're wrong. If anything, you going in so hard on him gives me more hope for Vilardi than I had, so thanks for the input!

As expected. Thanks for playing. We'll see what happens.

But here's a serious observation...pump the brakes on pushing the prospects. You used to be a rational poster but the last year or so you've gone off the deep end pushing all things prospect related. The conspiracy against the prospects meme has gotten very old. So far, they just aren't that good. Deal with it.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

So you agree that there is almost no room for him on the team without saying so. There is one spot open to him (maybe). If he doesn't take that spot he'll either be in the press box or on waivers. And my personal belief is that he won't get that spot.

Sure, it's tight. The forwards currently are Kopitar, Danault, Arvidsson, Iafallo, Moore, Lizotte. Waiver eligble RFAs that you assume are on the roster are Byfield, Kupari, Kaliyev. Guys we can safely assume are gone in some way are Athanasiou, Andersson. That leaves Grundstrom, Kempe, Vilardi as RFAs to be signed.

I'm not disputing he could be on his way out; I'm disputing that he'd be waived when there are three other waiver eligible guys sitting right there as well as several in ontario (Turcotte, JAD, etc.). Blake is going to have to mess with the roster but there's no reason to get minimal value for a guy when you have options. TM may be a bit stubborn or stupid when it comes to the roster decisions but Blake has been pretty nails so far, I expect him to not just turf a guy who shows high-end flashes when we're that short on offense.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

As expected. Thanks for playing. We'll see what happens.

But here's a serious observation...pump the brakes on pushing the prospects. You used to be a rational poster but the last year or so you've gone off the deep end pushing all things prospect related. The conspiracy against the prospects meme has gotten very old. So far, they just aren't that good. Deal with it.

Perfect illustration for everyone, thanks for the show, as always.

 

[tomd]

Sure, it's tight. The forwards currently are Kopitar, Danault, Arvidsson, Iafallo, Moore, Lizotte. Waiver eligble RFAs that you assume are on the roster are Byfield, Kupari, Kaliyev. Guys we can safely assume are gone in some way are Athanasiou, Andersson. That leaves Grundstrom, Kempe, Vilardi as RFAs to be signed.

I'm not disputing he could be on his way out; I'm disputing that he'd be waived when there are three other waiver eligible guys sitting right there as well as several in ontario (Turcotte, JAD, etc.). Blake is going to have to mess with the roster but there's no reason to get minimal value for a guy when you have options. TM may be a bit stubborn or stupid when it comes to the roster decisions but Blake has been pretty nails so far, I expect him to not just turf a guy who shows high-end flashes when we're that short on offense.

If they want to send him to Ontario he'd have to be waived whether they want to or not. Do they let him languish in the press box to avoid waivers or do they put him on waivers and hope that he sneaks through? That is the decision they have to make. And that is why there is a good chance he might be available on waivers. Which is literally all that my original post implied.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

If they want to send him to Ontario he'd have to be waived whether they want to or not. Do they let him languish in the press box to avoid waivers or do they put him on waivers and hope that he sneaks through? That is the decision they have to make. And that is why there is a good chance he might be available on waivers. Which is literally all that my original post implied.

The Kings are likely to carry 4-5 forwards that ARE waiver eligible that are younger than Vilardi. This year, JAD was a victim of that circumstance, playing basically the whole year in Ontario after showing well in teh NHL previously, indicating the Kings are clearly much more comfortable not shredding a guy on waivers (Lizotte, who had been outplayed) when they can send down literally nearly two other lines of dudes. If you need another example but from the defense, look at all the games they played with Clague before they finally waived him, and they did that when the guys behind him had proven absolutely nothing, i.e. they had no guaranteed better options.

I guess it's not literally impossible but it would be incredibly stupid asset management that flies in the face of both a rebuild/retool as well as recent past precedent so as to be incredibly unlikely. Hence the resistance to the idea that you can just wait for him to get waived.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

feels like LA is being gifted Konecny and so many are saying he has no value at all to them lol Id take that and run

 

[bsu]

A waiver player plus a 2nd for an established top 6 winger. Sounds super fair.

 

[Stumbling Jack]

feels like LA is being gifted Konecny and so many are saying he has no value at all to them lol Id take that and run

No that’s not it and it shouldn’t be. It’s the fact of what LA needs while integrating the cap that will be a lot tighter when some of this kids and RFA’s need raises as well as going after a bigger fish than TK. They’re not in win now mode and it’s a slippery slope having cap space and pissing it away. Just ask Deano…

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

feels like LA is being gifted Konecny and so many are saying he has no value at all to them lol Id take that and run

I mean if LA is offered that they do it in a second and figure out their size and possible cap concerns later, it's not so much about that.

It's this idea that Vilardi is crap that's meeting resistance. I'm sure LA doesn't want to get older and smaller, and Gabe brings a really unique element, but I'm sure they'd figure it out elsewhere if they could land TK AND a 2nd (which is a round they excel in). But, and I say this with due respect to Konecny, I'm thinking LA is thinking bigger than even Travis for offensive solutions.

I'm assuming OP is high on Vilardi's upside and it's fair for everyone else to suggest he's a wild card and/or say they wouldn't do the OP trade from a PHI perspective, I just don't think it's right to suggest LA is gonna give him up for free because of his waiver status, or that you can just wait around because he's inevitably the one wiped from the Kings roster when ample solutions have been presented above, or that LA will be held hostage until they can move him because they have a lot of ways to change the roster (assets, cap space, youth) that don't involve turfing a high pick when they've invested so much. IE no one has the ignorance excuse anymore.

Also, if LA posters are a bit snippy, it's because this is the 300th incarnation of "your prospects are crap/not panning out, we'll trade for them, but lol no not for that, we'll just wait till you waive them, because they suck but we want them."

 

[Trash Panda]

Except L.A. has no interest in TK at all.
Vilardi or any pick is not the issue here

You speak in such a manner that implies that you have the ear of Rob Blake himself.

Stop it. Get some help.

 

[Starat327]

Feels like this one's run its course to me.

 

[kilowatt]

A waiver player plus a 2nd for an established top 6 winger. Sounds super fair.

another classic zinger from the president of the “i hate the kings” fan club

just stick to ducks proposals, your schtick is so tired

 

[Schmooley]

another classic zinger from the president of the “i hate the kings” fan club

just stick to ducks proposals, your schtick is so tired

Yea bsu and tomd arrive in every kings thread just to take shots at their players. Very weird. Bsu favorite pastime is being a clown. Gets dressed up with the makeup and all waiting for a kings thread on the main board.

 

[bsu]

Yea bsu and tomd arrive in every kings thread just to take shots at their players. Very weird. Bsu favorite pastime is being a clown. Gets dressed up with the makeup and all waiting for a kings thread on the main board.

Weird, I never did that once other than saying Byfield was disappointing and Turcotte has shit luck. I guess telling the truth is hating. Look at my post history in my profile no idea what you're talking about. I know I've made you look stupid in a couple threads so that's probably why you're making up stories. Anyone can happily check my history and see that you are trolling.

another classic zinger from the president of the “i hate the kings” fan club

just stick to ducks proposals, your schtick is so tired

You think Vilardi who will probably be on waivers this season (you're a Kings fan but I'm not sure if you understand that) and a 2nd is fair for Konecny? Answer the question and let me know. I'm hating because I don't think that's a good deal for the Flyers... at all and the Kings would do it in a heartbeat. If you think that is hating then you should take your homer glasses off. I really want to know if you think that is a fair deal though please answer the original question instead of derailing it. It's like asking us if we would trade Steel and a 2nd for Konecny (Yes I'd do that in a heartbeat because it's lopsided)

 

[Schmooley]

I know I've made you look stupid in a couple threads so that's probably why you're making up stories. Check my history.

when have you made anyone look stupid? Weve never spoken before.

 

[bsu]

another classic zinger from the president of the “i hate the kings” fan club

just stick to ducks proposals, your schtick is so tired

So is it a fair deal to you?

Vilardi (Gabriel Vilardi at eliteprospects.com) and a 2nd
for
Konecny (Travis Konecny at eliteprospects.com)

Lets also take into the account the injuries Vilardi has had as well.... Just in case people aren't familiar. His back could go out at any time. So you have a prospect that hasn't made the team full time, hasn't produced (37 career NHL points) with some horrible back injuries and a 2nd round pick.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Some awful takes by a few Kings fans on here.. including the dude who apparently worked as Blake’s assistant GM. Try actually watching a few Flyers games and come back and talk about value.