Proposal: Konecny for Vilardi+

[YP44]

In my view Clarke is off the table in trading

Faber and Spence are off the table in trading if it is not for elite goalie prospect (Knight, Askarov or Wallstedt)

Grans is available for equally talented young LD with size.

Durzi, Walker and Roy are very much available.

I feel I need to note that this is not you saying Spence for Knight 1 for 1 is fair, you are eluding to a in a package and that depending on the D the return increases or decreases.
I agree with your tiers, not necessarily the returns. But ballpark feels right.

 

[bsu]

The value in this thread is among the worst on the front page of the trade thread.... on top of that it seems like King fans do not want Konecny... time to let this one drift off....

 

[kinghock]

The value in this thread is among the worst on the front page of the trade thread.... on top of that it seems like King fans do not want Konecny... time to let this one drift off....

You are correct here. King fans do not want Konecny

 

[Kurrilino]

I gladly would, not sure why that first line has a question mark

I really have a hard time understanding how you are so against it. and the thread has the offer I'm on the side of it being a good deal and your on the other side pretty simple really.
the reason why other fan bases keep telling you how awesome the deal is because it's an awesome deal not our fault your homerism is blinding you.

and make an offer on what? the thread isn't about what other franchises can offer for Konecny but if this is the asking price I'd gladly find a comparable and take him before you regret saying no

The reason for all refusing is that i don't want to turn into Montreal 2.0
So many talented players but also smurfs
All of us witness since years now how they get manhandled with easy by 6'3 guys who have the same speed and skill.

Beside that, Blake himself said that he is going for size and speed

 

[Dooble08]

You get it slightly wrong

It's not Vilardi who isn't moving the needle, it's Konecny.
This has now repeated several times by more than 1 Kings fan, Konecny is not of any interest to the Kings.
Adding now Turcotte and Bjornfoot to the deal is borderline stand up comedy

If Sanheim is available, I would offer Iafallo in a 1vs1 hockey deal

If Sanheim were available he'd be playing on a different team if this was the best the Kings would offer. I'm quite sure the Flyers would say no to Iafallo and a 1st for Sanheim.

 

[Gurglesons]

The reason for all refusing is that i don't want to turn into Montreal 2.0
So many talented players but also smurfs
All of us witness since years now how they get manhandled with easy by 6'3 guys who have the same speed and skill.

Beside that, Blake himself said that he is going for size and speed

Tampa seems to have done fine with an undersized top six. Their back to back cup teams were tiny too down the gut.

 

[Oddbob]

Vilardi isn't even a 3rd line center on most NHL teams let alone a 1st line center.

 

[Kurrilino]

Tampa seems to have done fine with an undersized top six. Their back to back cup teams were tiny too down the gut.

All of their top guys are not undersized.

They have a 6'3 all star goalie
Their top defender is 6'6 and no defender is smaller than 6'1
Their top offense guys are not smaller than 6'0 (Kucherov is listed as 5'11 and 6'0)

With a roster like that you can afford one or two undersized highly skilled players.
Undersized in Tampa's case means 5'10 or 5'11

We already have 5'9 and 5'7 players who are the top guys.
Even our defense is undersized with 5'10 players

Under no circumstances would i add more small players to that roster not to mention NOT highly skilled small players.

Blake declared that he will go for size and speed, rightfully so.
I prefer the undersizelings on other teams

 

[Gurglesons]

All of their top guys are not undersized.

They have a 6'3 all star goalie
Their top defender is 6'6 and no defender is smaller than 6'1
Their top offense guys are not smaller than 6'0 (Kucherov is listed as 5'11 and 6'0)

With a roster like that you can afford one or two undersized highly skilled players.
Undersized in Tampa's case means 5'10 or 5'11

We already have 5'9 and 5'7 players who are the top guys.
Even our defense is undersized with 5'10 players

Under no circumstances would i add more small players to that roster not to mention NOT highly skilled small players.

Blake declared that he will go for size and speed, rightfully so.
I prefer the undersizelings on other teams

I didn’t say anything about Tampa’s goaltending or defense being undersized

 

[Kurrilino]

I didn’t say anything about Tampa’s goaltending or defense being undersized

I realized that but the whole team in general is huge
I trade with a whole team in mind, not single players, that is why i pointed it out.
Also compared to our offense size, Tampa is a giant.

All of our youngsters have descend size but they are not top line regulars yet.
This is another reason why Vilardi isn't going anywhere except for a goal scoring winger.
You don't find skilled 6'3 centers easily.

 

[Gurglesons]

I realized that but the whole team in general is huge
I trade with a whole team in mind, not single players, that is why i pointed it out.
Also compared to our offense size, Tampa is a giant.

All of our youngsters have descend size but they are not top line regulars yet.
This is another reason why Vilardi isn't going anywhere except for a goal scoring winger.
You don't find skilled 6'3 centers easily.

I'm just going to give you the top nine you ran Game 7 with Arvidsson in for Brown. I know this is not accurate, but here is the top nine.

Iafflo (6'0) Kopitar (6'3) Kempe (6'2)
Grundstrom (6'0) Danault (6'1) Moore (5'10)
Lemieux (6'1) Lizotte (5'8) Arvidsson (5'10)

Here is Tampa from their back to backs.

Stamkos (6'1) Point (5'11) Kucherov (5'11)
Palat (6'0) Cirelli (6'0) Killorn (6'0)
Coleman (5'11) Gourde (5'9) Goodrow (6'2)

Wow. WHAT GIANTS!

 

[Grinner]

I'm just going to give you the top nine you ran Game 7 with Arvidsson in for Brown. I know this is not accurate, but here is the top nine.

Iafflo (6'0) Kopitar (6'3) Kempe (6'2)
Grundstrom (6'0) Danault (6'1) Moore (5'10)
Lemieux (6'1) Lizotte (5'8) Arvidsson (5'10)

Here is Tampa from their back to backs.

Stamkos (6'1) Point (5'11) Kucherov (5'11)
Palat (6'0) Cirelli (6'0) Killorn (6'0)
Coleman (5'11) Gourde (5'9) Goodrow (6'2)

Wow. WHAT GIANTS!

Killorn is only 6'0?
That doesn't seem right
A lot of their size is on the D

 

[Gurglesons]

Killorn is only 6'0?
That doesn't seem right
A lot of their size is on the D

This is true. Which has no impact on my argument about Tampa Bay's top nine not having a lot of size on it when they won the cup in regards to a Kings fan saying size up front wins in this league.

Size on the blue line wins in this league. I agree completely.

Scrappy win at all cost forwards like Konecny also win a ton. Which is why if you can get him for a 2nd and Vilardi you take the deal and run.

 

[Surf Nutz]

5 10 and -23. Asking way too much. Kings need size and defensive responsibility is always mandatory or you find yourself in... Vilardis position. Not much ice time. Kower the ask and depending who else Blake acquires, we can talk. However Kempe took 4+ years to break out so other prospects should get at least 2+ if space is getting tighter.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Serious question:
How many RD propects from one team can be "off the table?"

Clarke, Grans, Faber, Spence are all off the table in trading for serious players? And then there is Durzi and Roy. It seems a strange response that comes up over and over on here. Only 2 of them can play with Doughty on your right side.

It doesn't mean you have to give them away, but to get players like Nylander or better, maybe none of them except maybe Clarke should be seen as untouchable? Most of these prospects look exciting but they haven't proved anything yet either. And it doesn't look like they are all going to have a chance to in your system.

Clarke , Spence off the table until we get more of a look/value. Faber and Roy are availible, Durzi and Grans less so but all depending on the right player. Kings need: PP Scoring,scoring, size and toughness in that order. Defensive responsibility is required by T MAc.

 

[Surf Nutz]

The value in this thread is among the worst on the front page of the trade thread.... on top of that it seems like King fans do not want Konecny... time to let this one drift off....

Summer of discontent in Anaheim

 

[Kurrilino]

Scrappy win at all cost forwards like Konecny also win a ton. Which is why if you can get him for a 2nd and Vilardi you take the deal and run.

No i don't

I want another team to take the deal and run.
You really seem to have trouble with the Kings saying no

 

[bsu]

Summer of discontent in Anaheim

No one is trading an established top 6 winger for a player that may be on waivers this year with less than 30 career NHL points and "perhaps" a second round pick. On top of that sounds like LA fans aren't even interested in TK.... So yeah... Move along.

EDIT: Almost forgot to add the player that doesn't have 30 NHL points has also had serious BACK injuries.

 

[Gurglesons]

No i don't

I want another team to take the deal and run.
You really seem to have trouble with the Kings saying no

LA is my second team. I say yes.

 

[Kurrilino]

LA is my second team. I say yes.

Well then make an offer for your first team and close the case

 

[bobbyb2009]

I'm just going to give you the top nine you ran Game 7 with Arvidsson in for Brown. I know this is not accurate, but here is the top nine.

Iafflo (6'0) Kopitar (6'3) Kempe (6'2)
Grundstrom (6'0) Danault (6'1) Moore (5'10)
Lemieux (6'1) Lizotte (5'8) Arvidsson (5'10)

Here is Tampa from their back to backs.

Stamkos (6'1) Point (5'11) Kucherov (5'11)
Palat (6'0) Cirelli (6'0) Killorn (6'0)
Coleman (5'11) Gourde (5'9) Goodrow (6'2)

Wow. WHAT GIANTS!

Not saying they are giants here, but kind of convenient that you left off their D: 6'6, 6'3, 6'3, 6'3, 6'2, 6'1 and their 4th line being: 6'3, 6'2, and 6'. They surround their 4 small and very talented guys with giants who can also play. Plus Killorn is 6'1 and Paul is 6'3.

I don't know, just sayin... I am probably missing something as I haven't ready the whole thread

 

[Gurglesons]

Not saying they are giants here, but kind of convenient that you left off their D: 6'6, 6'3, 6'3, 6'3, 6'2, 6'1 and their 4th line being: 6'3, 6'2, and 6'. They surround their 4 small and very talented guys with giants who can also play. Plus Killorn is 6'1 and Paul is 6'3.

I don't know, just sayin... I am probably missing something as I haven't ready the whole thread

# 1. I was talking forwards and # 2. I was talking their top nine and their back to back winners so no Paul.

 

[Kingspiracy]

# 1. I was talking forwards and # 2. I was talking their top nine and their back to back winners so no Paul.

Id be all for trading for konecny since he probably has more sandpaper to his game than alot of our 6+footers. His game would translate well to the post season.

Re tampa, its not accurate to disregard their big Dmen from the whole cup winning recipe, our dmen are mostly soft midgets. I can see why player size is so high on some kings posters agenda due to our current team recipe.

We could do with adding a big nasty dman or two.

 

[Kurrilino]

Not saying they are giants here, but kind of convenient that you left off their D: 6'6, 6'3, 6'3, 6'3, 6'2, 6'1 and their 4th line being: 6'3, 6'2, and 6'. They surround their 4 small and very talented guys with giants who can also play. Plus Killorn is 6'1 and Paul is 6'3.

I don't know, just sayin... I am probably missing something as I haven't ready the whole thread

Nope you are bang on

They have a massive team with highly skilled role players here and there
This is why they win since years.

Same with Colorado
Their go to guys are bigger, faster and stronger and better than everyone else.

 

[Kurrilino]

Id be all for trading for konecny since he probably has more sandpaper to his game than alot of our 6+footers. His game would translate well to the post season.

Re tampa, its not accurate to disregard their big Dmen from the whole cup winning recipe, our dmen are mostly soft midgets. I can see why player size is so high on some kings posters agenda due to our current team recipe.

We could do with adding a big nasty dman or two.

Right now i wouldn't focus on defensemen.
What's coming up looks really good and we should put that to the test.

Moverave is 6'5 and he looked rock solid. Nothing really special but he is mobile and can defend.
Grans is 6'3 and absolutely rocking it in Ontario and Sweden
Clarke is 6'1 and has all the tools to be as good if not better than Doughty
Faber and Durzi add offensive talent being 6'0
Roy is 6'1 and was the only one able to stand up against the Oilers

I am not concerned with the future d-group at all, we need to get out top 6 under control