Proposal: Knies to the Canadiens almost happened. (Sports net article )

[Jaynki]

How many times did a team that received the best player at the time the trade was made regretted the trade? 1st round draft picks and top prospects very rarely live up to expectations.

1st RD draft picks is common currency, its not like trading a top prospects where we have a lot more data post-draft.

I can easily find you a dozen trade where a top prospects was traded and it ended up being sincere blunder.

I can hardly find a trade where it was worth it to do so.

We ruined Price prime and deprived him of two top pairing defenseman. (Sergachev, McDonagh)

We also have a Selke-winner 101 points franchise player because Vegas were eager for Pacioretty.

That is just for our team, i can talk to you about Forsberg for Erat. Heck, even for a mature team aiming for the cup, Calum Ritchie for Brock Nelson is already trending to be a blunder.

The Kings literally killed their window trading Faber for Fiala.

 

[Hockey Lifer]

1st RD draft picks is common currency, its not like trading a top prospects where we have a lot more data post-draft.

I can easily find you a dozen trade where a top prospects was traded and it ended up being sincere blunder.

I can hardly find a trade where it was worth it to do so.

We ruined Price prime and deprived him of two top pairing defenseman. (Sergachev, McDonagh)

We also have a Selke-winner 101 points franchise player because Vegas were eager for Pacioretty.

That is just for our team, i can talk to you about Forsberg for Erat. Heck, even for a mature team aiming for the cup, Calum Ritchie for Brock Nelson is already trending to be a blunder.

The Kings literally killed their window trading Faber for Fiala.

Gomez and Drouin weren’t as good as Knies and Thomas when the trades were made. The latter are in their primes, Gomez was done at that point and Drouin still a question mark. I guess I meant getting back a bonafide star player in return.

 

[Jaynki]

Gomez and Drouin weren’t as good as Knies and Thomas when the trades were made. The latter are in their primes, Gomez was done at that point and Drouin still a question mark. I guess I meant getting back a bonafide star player in return.

The thing is, even if Gomez would have been a 70 points center for 5 years and Drouin would have reached its potential, these trade would have sucked anyway.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

How many times did a team that received the best player at the time the trade was made regretted the trade? 1st round draft picks and top prospects very rarely live up to expectations.

Often, the team receiving the best player is happy with the transaction. Sometimes the other team isn't. Sometimes both teams are happy and sometimes it's a landslide towards the team getting futures. Like The River for Gorges and 1st, that became Max Pac. Or the Max Pack trade, for a few good seasons of Tomas Tatar and Nick Suzuki.

At the same time, I'm pretty sure Ottawa fans wish they didn't trade for Chychrun or Debrincat. Any trade that fails to put the team over the top is a potential disappointment. Trades are risky both ways. I think we remember more easily the big trades that worked. Maybe because of Vegas being in the finals right now also.

Either way. There are many possible paths and I'm okay with this one, as I would have been with the other one if it had panned out.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

San Jose traded Erik Karlsson for a 1st round pick and i believe finished last. I guess Ottawa were fortunate to lose the lottery and take Tim Stutzle first. Even getting Karlsson they still lost the trade,

 

[Miller Time]

The thing is, even if Gomez would have been a 70 points center for 5 years and Drouin would have reached its potential, these trade would have sucked anyway.

How do you figure?

We made the conference finals with Gomez as a bystander... Had he been contributing at his Devils peak, we easily get past the flyers that year and Rainey's entire '09 re-tool attempt goes from failure to big success.

Ditto Bergie & Drouin. His potential was MacKinnon level... If he realized his potential, he'd have been a Kucherov level add and we probably win multiple cups before Price's knee fell apart.

These trades sucked because it was foolish, at the time, to expect either to contribute at those levels. There were enough red flags that they should've been acquired at far less value... McD & Sergachev both had enough unproven potential, and absence of character flags, that were ignored or undervalued by Gainey/BarginBin even as they chased the more experienced assets that both had major red flags.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

The thing is, even if Gomez would have been a 70 points center for 5 years and Drouin would have reached its potential, these trade would have sucked anyway.

The shit thing with Drouin was they needed to lock up Markov before trading Sergachev as it decimated our LHD depth for a winger with warts with maybe the preconception he could resemble a C.

There are maybe a handful of NHLrs that are like Knies, last one we had was probably John LeClair, we thought maybe we were getting one in Anderson but never reached that level.

 

[Flip The Bird]

Something I didn't know that in the Knies situation is that when a trade is made, all you have to do is have one of the two teams involved send the e-mail to the NHL. I always thought that both teams needed to send it but it's not the case. The issue is that Hughes let the Leafs send the e-mail and it's them that didn't send it on time. I don't know how much is true but can you imagine how pissed off Hughes must feel right now? He must be cursing himself.

I doubt this. Be awful slack on Kent's part. To leave it up to somebody else. Knies must been major part of his plan. No doubt Hage being his center eventually.

 

[Ozmodiar]

I don’t think the Knies deal is dead.

(If the reported deal, and latest about the Leafs still listening re: knies, is true)

It’s a very good package of futures that the leafs really need. Not many teams could match.

 

[Kosseca]

I don’t think the Knies deal is dead.

(If the reported deal, and latest about the Leafs still listening re: knies, is true)

It’s a very good package of futures that the leafs really need. Not many teams could match.

Trading Knies only make sense for Tor if they get in return top notch asset back that could play almost now.

The odds are that Chicago can probably offer a better return then MTL right now: 4thOV, one of their young D (levshunov, Korshinky, etc) and other pieces

If Toronto can sign Tuch and Rashysh, adding say Mckenna and Reid through the draft and one other young like Korshiky... They are back on track.

MTL package is too far down the timeline to beat CHI at this point, so I consider Knies a fail option at this time.

 

[montreal]

Trading Knies only make sense for Tor if they get in return top notch asset back that could play almost now.

The odds are that Chicago can probably offer a better return then MTL right now: 4thOV, one of their young D (levshunov, Korshinky, etc) and other pieces

If Toronto can sign Tuch and Rashysh, adding say Mckenna and Reid through the draft and one other young like Korshiky... They are back on track.

MTL package is too far down the timeline to beat CHI at this point, so I consider Knies a fail option at this time.

Agreed, since the leafs don't have a 1st in '27 or '28, there's no way they would trade their best young player for futures only to turn around and give up two high end picks in what could be very good drafts to boston and philly.

 

[EveryDay]

Trading Knies only make sense for Tor if they get in return top notch asset back that could play almost now.

The odds are that Chicago can probably offer a better return then MTL right now: 4thOV, one of their young D (levshunov, Korshinky, etc) and other pieces

If Toronto can sign Tuch and Rashysh, adding say Mckenna and Reid through the draft and one other young like Korshiky... They are back on track.

MTL package is too far down the timeline to beat CHI at this point, so I consider Knies a fail option at this time.

This isn't happening.

When's the last time Toronto got the top2 UFA player on the market? Forget Toronto, when is the last time any team got the top2 UFA?

 

[Kosseca]

This isn't happening.

When's the last time Toronto got the top2 UFA player on the market? Forget Toronto, when is the last time any team got the top2 UFA?

Tor as the cap space to make those 2 signature and obviously they need to remain competitive due to not having their 1st in the next two seasons. Raddysh is rumored to be already done. Tuch is gona be a real target for them anyway.

 

[EveryDay]

Tor as the cap space to make those 2 signature and obviously they need to remain competitive due to not having their 1st in the next two seasons. Raddysh is rumored to be already done. Tuch is gona be a real target for them anyway.

Any confirmation of this? At least one?

 

[BLONG7]

It would be sooooooo Toronto, to tade Knies and then overpay both Raddysh and Tuch on the ufa market.

Meanwhile once again doing nothing to help their D. LOL

 

[sampollock]

It would be sooooooo Toronto, to tade Knies and then overpay both Raddysh and Tuch on the ufa market.

Meanwhile once again doing nothing to help their D. LOL

we can only hope the figs overpay love it

 

[AHShadow]

I don’t think the Knies deal is dead.

(If the reported deal, and latest about the Leafs still listening re: knies, is true)

It’s a very good package of futures that the leafs really need. Not many teams could match.

If they trade away Knies, I don't think it would be for the rumoured package.

If you trade away Knies for futures, you signal to Matthews that you're rebuilding/resetting for at least a year or two and he prob doesn't want to be a part of that.

If you trade Knies then you need to get good roster player back, which is not something we can offer (I don't think something like Dach/Kapanen + futures would be good enough if they want to remain competitive).

 

[Flip The Bird]

If they trade away Knies, I don't think it would be for the rumoured package.

If you trade away Knies for futures, you signal to Matthews that you're rebuilding/resetting for at least a year or two and he prob doesn't want to be a part of that.

If you trade Knies then you need to get good roster player back, which is not something we can offer (I don't think something like Dach/Kapanen + futures would be good enough if they want to remain competitive).

Yup, if Toronto trades Knies it will be for mostly now. People say Black Hawks for #4 pick. The value is great, Leafs get a stud #1 D. But he's a few years away.

 

[rahad]

Yup, if Toronto trades Knies it will be for mostly now. People say Black Hawks for #4 pick. The value is great, Leafs get a stud #1 D. But he's a few years away.

Is beyond great value. Trading a second round pick for a 4th is huge. Great job at Toronto to find this guy in the late round. People took he has good because of Cooley. He proved he could be a legit top 6 power forward in the NHL.

As good as Knies is. I don't think Chicago will trade a 4th round pick for him.

 

[Ozmodiar]

If they trade away Knies, I don't think it would be for the rumoured package.

If you trade away Knies for futures, you signal to Matthews that you're rebuilding/resetting for at least a year or two and he prob doesn't want to be a part of that.

If you trade Knies then you need to get good roster player back, which is not something we can offer (I don't think something like Dach/Kapanen + futures would be good enough if they want to remain competitive).

They can get the roster player in a second move - either flip one of the assets or use free agency (tuch?). If futures are the best package, they’ll take it.

4th OA, unlikely.

 

[yianik]

Just thinking about the Knies trade rumours out there and the rumoured failed trade.

Knies would be a great add for the Habs, but the cost would be the assets we would use for a legit 2C. Doesnt make sense to me. Also, if there was a deal in place it didnt happen because they were too late on a fax ??? I mean stuff happens, and its happened, but sounds sketchy.

Anyway, I would rather we save the assets for a 2C, unless it fits with a yet unknown vision they have.

 

[montreal]

Just thinking about the Knies trade rumours out there and the rumoured failed trade.

Knies would be a great add for the Habs, but the cost would be the assets we would use for a legit 2C. Doesnt make sense to me. Also, if there was a deal in place it didnt happen because they were too late on a fax ??? I mean stuff happens, and its happened, but sounds sketchy.

Anyway, I would rather we save the assets for a 2C, unless it fits with a yet unknown vision they have.

we'll see if he gets moved or not, as much as fans hate the leafs, we do not want them giving an unprotected top 5 pick to boston in '28. The leafs need to re-tool the next 2 years or trade for their 1st round picks back. While it would be funny seeing the melt down when they had to hand over what could be 2 highly valuable picks, I'd rather see them giving away in the teens then top 5 or 10.

 

[Flip The Bird]

If Knies trade went through, Hage would have signed. We probably win the cup with those two added. Team would look total different this off season.

 

[Kimota]

Just thinking about the Knies trade rumours out there and the rumoured failed trade.

Knies would be a great add for the Habs, but the cost would be the assets we would use for a legit 2C. Doesnt make sense to me. Also, if there was a deal in place it didnt happen because they were too late on a fax ??? I mean stuff happens, and its happened, but sounds sketchy.

Anyway, I would rather we save the assets for a 2C, unless it fits with a yet unknown vision they have.

Like Serge Savard once said, if you really want someone, it is going to hurt. Probaby for both teams. You can trade Zordovsky for Knies and use Hage to get that first centerman.