Proposal: Knies to the Canadiens almost happened. (Sports net article )

[montreal]

Player can't play for the rest of the regular season either.
That can amount to 3 months without being able to play.

When Can NHL Teams Make Trades? The Complete Rules Guide

NHL teams can trade year-round, but the trade deadline — usually early March — is the last day to get players who can play in the playoffs. Here's how it all works.

hockeyanswered.com

NHL teams can trade players, picks, and prospects at almost any point during the year. The key cutoff is the trade deadline — usually the first Friday in March — which is the last day to acquire players who can suit up for the playoffs. Players traded after the deadline can still join and play regular season games for their new team, but they aren’t eligible for the postseason.

 

[Deus ex machina]

When Can NHL Teams Make Trades? The Complete Rules Guide

NHL teams can trade year-round, but the trade deadline — usually early March — is the last day to get players who can play in the playoffs. Here's how it all works.

hockeyanswered.com

How reliable is that site?

I've read a few places that he wouldn't have been eligible to play for the rest of the season.
Nicholas Cloutier just wrote the same thing. I posted it earlier.
He's usually pretty thorough.

 

[montreal]

How reliable is that site?

I've read a few places that he wouldn't have been eligible to play for the rest of the season.
Nicholas Cloutier just wrote the same thing. I posted it earlier.
He's usually pretty thorough.

google says,

Examples of Post-Deadline Moves​

While the deadline day is the busiest, several teams have made notable trades afterward:

• Ottawa Senators acquired Fabian Zetterlund from the San Jose Sharks to bolster their forward depth NHL.
• Winnipeg Jets sent Wyatt Bongiovanni to Ottawa in exchange for Graeme Clarke Daily Faceoff.
• Colorado Avalanche reacquired Nazem Kadri from Calgary, though the deal included a conditional pick Daily Faceoff.
• Buffalo Sabres sent Tanner Pearson to Ottawa for a 2026 seventh-round pick Daily Faceoff.
• Boston Bruins acquired Lukas Reichel from the Jets Daily Faceoff.
• Vancouver Canucks received David Kampf from Washington and a 2026 sixth-round pick Daily Faceoff.
• New York Islanders got Brayden Schenn from St. Louis Daily Faceoff.

for years we have seen trades that don't get announced until a hour after the deadline, I just don't buy the NHL would not allow a blockbuster trade to go through over 1 minute.

 

[Habs Halifax]

google says,



for years we have seen trades that don't get announced until a hour after the deadline, I just don't buy the NHL would not allow a blockbuster trade to go through over 1 minute.

Deals get announced after the deadline all the time but that is when we find out. Not really when it was submitted to the NHL.

But yeah, it does seem strange that the NHL blocked it for just one minute.

 

[Deus ex machina]

google says,



for years we have seen trades that don't get announced until a hour after the deadline, I just don't buy the NHL would not allow a blockbuster trade to go through over 1 minute.

I've already explained to you why some trades are announced after 3PM.
Trades have to be filed to the league before 3PM. Rules are rules. They can't start making exceptions.

 

[montreal]

I've already explained to you why some trades are announced after 3PM.
Trades have to be filed to the league before 3PM. Rules are rules. They can't start making exceptions.

do you have any examples to prove that the NHL officially denied a trade due to it being 1 minute late? Why would it take an hour after the deadline to announce a trade has been made?

 

[Deus ex machina]

do you have any examples to prove that the NHL officially denied a trade due to it being 1 minute late? Why would it take an hour after the deadline to announce a trade has been made?

There's a queue of trades that are made just before the deadline.
Trade calls are being made by the league involving the 2 teams and they go through every details of a trade to make sure everything is in order. That takes time.

I don't work for the league, so no, I don't have examples.

 

[vcb]

I've already explained to you why some trades are announced after 3PM.
Trades have to be filed to the league before 3PM. Rules are rules. They can't start making exceptions.

If, as the rumors suggested, Hughes still wanted the deal done in the offseason, there’s no reason to believe he wouldn’t have made the deal right away to make sure he got his guy, even if Knies couldn’t play in the playoffs

 

[Leto]

I wonder if Brad Treliving will get another job.

I am sure some owner would like Tre as his next yes-man.

 

[Deus ex machina]

If, as the rumors suggested, Hughes still wanted the deal done in the offseason, there’s no reason to believe he wouldn’t have made the deal right away to make sure he got his guy, even if Knies couldn’t play in the playoffs

That part of the rumor comes from just one source AFAIK, a guy in Toronto. So it might not be true.

It's not clear if Knies could've played the rest of the regular season too.

But it's a valid question.

 

[JianYang]

What you’re describing is plan A of what every team (and I) wants to contend, however it’s not always possible due to the lack a quality centers in the league (and they’re talking about adding more teams??? But I digress). But that’s not the only way to build a stanley cup winning team.

A steady 2C would be good enough to win with, IF the team finds another top winger to add to Demidov, Caufield and Slaf. That winger would probably cost less than adding a Hishier or Thomas.

I think both Beniers and McTavish could be that 2C, but that’s just my opinion. It’s a perfectly fine to agree to disagree on this.

I think plan A is the only plan to consider because the goal should be to not just be good enough. The goal should be to have a real contending window for many years, and they have a rare opportunity to achieve that goal with this foundation.

If that core center doesnt present itself right away.... just wait a bit more Instead of settling on someone who takes some of your leverage and cap dollars away.

When you have the quality and abundance of assets that the habs have to leverage in a trade, you can and ought to hunt for a big fish because this type of positioning does not present itself very commonly..... so use it

 

[vcb]

I think plan A is the only plan to consider because the goal should be to not just be good enough. The goal should be to have a real contending window for many years, and they have a rare opportunity to achieve that goal with this foundation.

I might have been unclear by what I meant in plan A. I meant it as the classic way to build a team. Vegas is the best example of plan A being the only way, they’ve been a contending team basically their entire time in the league and didn’t have great center depth. They make up for it with a strong winger group. For example :

CC - Suzu - Slaf
Robertson - Beniers - Demidov

That’s definitely a top 6 you can contend with for many years.

If that core center doesnt present itself right away.... just wait a bit more Instead of settling on someone who takes some of your leverage and cap dollars away.

If there’s no center that fits the bill this offseason, what makes you think one will be available next year? Afterall, it would make two offseason in a row where none were.

When you have the quality and abundance of assets that the habs have to leverage in a trade, you can and ought to hunt for a big fish because this type of positioning does not present itself very commonly..... so use it

i agree but none of the guys I’m talking about would require premium returns. Both guys are buy low-ish candidate, which leaves all premium assets (Hage, Z, Fowler, etc) untouched.

 

[JianYang]

I might have been unclear by what I meant in plan A. I meant it as the classic way to build a team. Vegas is the best example of plan A being the only way, they’ve been a contending team basically their entire time in the league and didn’t have great center depth. They make up for it with a strong winger group. For example :

CC - Suzu - Slaf
Robertson - Beniers - Demidov

That’s definitely a top 6 you can contend with for many years.

If there’s no center that fits the bill this offseason, what makes you think one will be available next year? Afterall, it would make two offseason in a row where none were.

i agree but none of the guys I’m talking about would require premium returns. Both guys are buy low-ish candidate, which leaves all premium assets (Hage, Z, Fowler, etc) untouched.

Im basing what they need based on what they already have. If its a traditional blueprint, that is incidental.

Im kind of lukewarm on berniers and his team plays a couple hours south from where I live. I mean there is being good, and then there is being great. With the assets montreal has, they should be looking at the latter.

In regards to whether a center is available or not, this is always a fluid matter. Larkin was not seeking a trade until he was. Hischier seems to be in a questionable relationship.

You never know what is around the corner, but you do know that there are always people either connecting or disconnecting in their relationships, and you have to be ready with the package to give you an inside track on the rest.

Another example, last year, nobody really expected dobson to go anywhere until the relationship kept eroding under roy and then all of sudden it went from no chance to possibility to reality.

Montreal's task is to kick tires and be ready for the opportunity which is a matter of when rather than if.

 

[Kimota]

Something I didn't know that in the Knies situation is that when a trade is made, all you have to do is have one of the two teams involved send the e-mail to the NHL. I always thought that both teams needed to send it but it's not the case. The issue is that Hughes let the Leafs send the e-mail and it's them that didn't send it on time. I don't know how much is true but can you imagine how pissed off Hughes must feel right now? He must be cursing himself.

 

[Canadienna]

Something I didn't know that in the Knies situation is that when a trade is made, all you have to do is have one of the two teams involved send the e-mail to the NHL. I always thought that both teams needed to send it but it's not the case. The issue is that Hughes let the Leafs send the e-mail and it's them that didn't send it on time. I don't know how much is true but can you imagine how pissed off Hughes must feel right now? He must be cursing himself.

Some random assistant in Leafs management probably self sabotaged and unplugged the wifi router or something.

 

[Kimota]

Some random assistant in Leafs management probably self sabotaged and unplugged the wifi router or something.

That person is more of a champion for the Leafs than any Leafs GM of the last 15 years.

 

[Forsead]

Here's an interview where Timmins says that what they liked from Galchenyuk was his commitment to being one of the best players in the NHL and that with his talent Timmins thinks it's a possibility. In other words they drafted Galchenyuk because they thought he was the BPA

Thanks exactly what I had in mind.

 

[Deshayne]

knies would be a good add but not at the price being speculated about.

 

[holy]

Something I didn't know that in the Knies situation is that when a trade is made, all you have to do is have one of the two teams involved send the e-mail to the NHL. I always thought that both teams needed to send it but it's not the case. The issue is that Hughes let the Leafs send the e-mail and it's them that didn't send it on time. I don't know how much is true but can you imagine how pissed off Hughes must feel right now? He must be cursing himself.

Hughes needs to send that McDavid for Gallagher straight up email to the league asap.

 

[Kimota]

Hughes needs to send that McDavid for Gallagher straight up email to the league asap.

He needs to send ten e-mails if we get him any ways possible.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

There is a world where we can seek upgrade with the likes of our late 1st, bolduc, kapanen, newhook, guhle...

It won't bring back a superstar but its also not as reckless as trading potential star player like Zharovsky or potential top-6 C like Hage.

Hughes said it best... they want to improve in a balanced way, without mortgaging the future.

Its truly the best of both worlds.

He was also going Big Game Hunting with the Knies deal if the pieces are accurate. I don't always trust what GMs are saying as they use the media. The only thing I don't think he will do is give up much for rentals at least until we are true contenders

 

[Jaynki]

He was also going Big Game Hunting with the Knies deal if the pieces are accurate. I don't always trust what GMs are saying as they use the media. The only thing I don't think he will do is give up much for rentals at least until we are true contenders

Yes but at least Knies is 23 and a rare breed of power forward. But yeah, he was going for it and not in a balanced way.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

I find it very interesting that they have brought him over for most of the summer..............I certainly hope we don't deal him, and be patient with our progress.
He and Hage could be such a boom to add to the following season.............

Get a stop gap type of 2C for this year, and next ( Trocheck ) and then keep both of these kids, to add to Suzuki, Slaf, CC and Demidov.....

I'd be very okay with that. Of course immediate impact help like a Knies type of player is very enticing, but you always pay a big premium for this pieces. We may have all that we need with Zharovsky and Hage, just need to be patient for 1-2 seasons to see it unfold.

Maybe we can find some immediate help by dealing lesser pieces...

 

[BLONG7]

I'd be very okay with that. Of course immediate impact help like a Knies type of player is very enticing, but you always pay a big premium for this pieces. We may have all that we need with Zharovsky and Hage, just need to be patient for 1-2 seasons to see it unfold.

Maybe we can find some immediate help by dealing lesser pieces...

Bang on !!!!

 

[Hockey Lifer]

I'd be very okay with that. Of course immediate impact help like a Knies type of player is very enticing, but you always pay a big premium for this pieces. We may have all that we need with Zharovsky and Hage, just need to be patient for 1-2 seasons to see it unfold.

Maybe we can find some immediate help by dealing lesser pieces...

How many times did a team that received the best player at the time the trade was made regretted the trade? 1st round draft picks and top prospects very rarely live up to expectations.